OPEN LETTER TO THE 10 CLUB & TIM BIERMAN TO CHANGE GA LINE

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think it's ludicrous and, frankly, disingenuous and perhap manipulative to suggest that this could become dangerous or tragic. Come on. If a punch EVER gets thrown, security, who are always there at the line, would jump on whoever threw the punch, ban them from the venue, and the incident would be over.

exactly right

jesus, 'tragic'....is this for real?

I have a great idea: No number system. If you get there early and wait all day, you're in. If you don't want to wait all day, you can get in line, at the end of the line, when you arrive. A pair of people could tag-team. There are 2 tickets per person. One can stay and one can leave. No paying a homeless person, or other person who isn't attending and not your "other ticket" to stay in line for you. The 10c member and/or his/her guest must be in the line. If both leave the line, they lose their spot.

You can laugh at people waiting 3 days for an iPhone. But if it is "THAT" important to them, well- they will stay in that line and they WLL be first. I think GA really has to be more like that. If you have a number system then there should be 1st come-1st serve wristbands with numbers. The problem will be when the doors open and you have to try to get all the people in numerical order. That will be no-bueno. The people who wait it out and make the sacrifice should be rewarded by being in the front of the line. Stopping in and writing a number, seeing the sights and museums, and coming back saying they have a reserved spot is completely bogus. To me, you made a choice that your spot at the concert wasn't important enough and you wanted to see sights and that sightseeing or whatever weighed in on your seat location. It's about what is more important. Can't have it both ways.

BinFrog wrote:

Veddernarian wrote:

I have a great idea: No number system. If you get there early and wait all day, you're in.

There is no official number system. That's the whole point of this issue.

I meant official or unofficial. Somebody needs to manage the process and if they can't, then they shouldn't try. So if there isn't an official number system, there shouldn't be an unofficial one. If nobody is respecting 1st come/1st serve and 10c or the venue isn't managing it, and either one is incapable or unwilling to do so, they should just go back to what they were able to manage. i.e., assigned seats. Altercations with possible injury isn't out of the question with the way things are now. It hasn't happened. If it did, there are enough ambulance chasers around who would try to go after 10c and/or the venue for inadequate management of the process. You can't rule out this outcome. You might not like it and in other countries, you might not understand it. There is a woman out there $4,000,000 USD richer because she spilled coffee on herself at a McDonald's drive-through. This is America. Be careful. If I were 10c, and this is an open letter to 10c thread, I would look at these comments and complaints and see how to best manage the process in the future. What I like about 10c is that they have seen many threads like this and have made positive adjustments. I think 10c is great for listening and making constructive changes.

Zod wrote:

It still seems silly we need someone official to supervise the lineup process. It seems like a waste of resources to ensure 50ish people get rail....

I do wonder if GA will be used again. Since GA isnt done by senority it can be ripe for abuse. Scalpers (or fans) signing up everyone they know to try and win the lotto. This tour kind of had the benefit of being a new thing (wrigley seemed to be a one off until the tour got announced).

If anything I would kind of say the opposite: someone official just needs to make sure other people (with no direct ties to the band) don't take it upon themselves to try and be the Line Police. GA lines for every other show I have been to police themselves: first come first in. That's the only way to be, unless you do something like the Springsteen method mentioned earlier.

pdalowsky wrote:

Holy shit. Another thread on this ?

This subject is so overplayed. It's boring at this stage.

Whilst the discussion is necessary - there was a thread 'the line and list' for this to be debated?

Open letter? Why here, send it to Tenclub if its for them

I bet they can't believe that a group of adults carry on like this.

lol. I bet they can believe a group of adults will act like this. :fp:

I had GA for Worcester 2 and Seattle on this tour. I didn't try for the rail in Worcester. I was 10 people from the rail in front of Jeff & had a great time. My friend (who lives in the Seattle area) and I decided to line up early to get close for Seattle. I was a bit concerned about "the list" because of the stories I had read here about people getting great list numbers then enjoying the city and coming back an hour before doors to their old spot in line. I can say that didn't happen in Seattle. There were line checks at specific times (which were announced to all who were there) so all would know when the next one was. If you missed 1 line check you no longer had a number & had to get a new (worse) one if you so chose to get a number again. Here is when the line checks were held: 6am, 9am, 11:30am, 2pm, 4pm, 5pm. As you can see, it would be impossible to go enjoy the tourist sites of Seattle & make it back for the next line check. People were looking out for each other. Donuts and (lots of) coffee were bought for sharing with other fans. I met awesome fans from (among other places) Brazil, Italy, Australia, Canada, Rhode Island, Denver, Ohio, and NYC. I caught up with friends from Chicago I had met on the 1st leg. When it was time to go inside the Key we were walked in. I had the rail between an Italian man and Brazilian woman. This was my 58th PJ show and my first time on the rail. It was a memorable experience not only for the show (which I loved) but also for the people I shared it with. If GA can be run this way for future USA/Canada shows, then I think it can not only continue but flourish.

Mamasan Bren wrote:

Yefa wrote:

I had GA for Worcester 2 and Seattle on this tour. I didn't try for the rail in Worcester. I was 10 people from the rail in front of Jeff & had a great time. My friend (who lives in the Seattle area) and I decided to line up early to get close for Seattle. I was a bit concerned about "the list" because of the stories I had read here about people getting great list numbers then enjoying the city and coming back an hour before doors to their old spot in line. I can say that didn't happen in Seattle. There were line checks at specific times (which were announced to all who were there) so all would know when the next one was. If you missed 1 line check you no longer had a number & had to get a new (worse) one if you so chose to get a number again. Here is when the line checks were held: 6am, 9am, 11:30am, 2pm, 4pm, 5pm. As you can see, it would be impossible to go enjoy the tourist sites of Seattle & make it back for the next line check. People were looking out for each other. Donuts and (lots of) coffee were bought for sharing with other fans. I met awesome fans from (among other places) Brazil, Italy, Australia, Canada, Rhode Island, Denver, Ohio, and NYC. I caught up with friends from Chicago I had met on the 1st leg. When it was time to go inside the Key we were walked in. I had the rail between an Italian man and Brazilian woman. This was my 58th PJ show and my first time on the rail. It was a memorable experience not only for the show (which I loved) but also for the people I shared it with. If GA can be run this way for future USA/Canada shows, then I think it can not only continue but flourish.

Hey that sounds alright. Glad to hear it went well. Who ran the checks? Did you see any real enforcing of anyone being made to actually lose their number and go to the end? Just curious on who was in charge of enforcing.

I only caught the name of 1 of the people who ran the checks. Her name was Kelly. She was good about communicating with security & keeping us informed about policies.
People lost their numbers because they showed up Thursday night and left (before we were kicked out) to go back to their hotels or elsewhere without coming back at all. That is how my number improved a few spots from Thursday night to Friday morning.

Mamasan Bren wrote:

Perhaps a female fan getting mugged in Oakland early in the morning might spur some thought into changing the current system.

This is ridiculous. We are all adults making decisions at our own free will. I'm as eager as the next person to get on the rail, but I refused to show up at the Oakland venue on my own without knowing if there would be others around. I don't love anything enough to put myself in danger. I feel for the young lady who got robbed, no one deserves that, but she also made the decision to be in an unsafe area in the middle of the night. It's called using common sense. No amount of rules imposed by 10c about how and where to wait in line will prevent such things from happening.