The Number Notebook for GA is horrifically flawed.

Eraserhead · November 2013

Kent Brockman wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · November 2013

Sounds as if there wasn't enough 'pressure' placed on the people that were essentially shitting all over everyone who was waiting in line. "I'm above waiting in line. Lines are for people like you!" The cutting fools became brazen because nobody challenged them on such an act of disrespect. It's likely repeat behaviour as well that needs to be stopped.

I look at such a turn of events as confrontation: people essentially daring you to do something about it. I'm not one to back away from such a challenge when it is flaunted in my face (ie. there are some DMB Gorge line cutters that would know something about this). A girlfriend joining her boyfriend, or a friend joining their other friend is no big deal. A gaggle of 4 people joining another gaggle of 4 people is another story- they can meet up inside.

I won't be in my line up too early if at all- I'll be having a nice meal somewhere with a few beers to boot. The rail isn't going to make or break my experience. But when I do get to a line up, I won't be very accommodating to anyone who seeks to jump in front of me because some busybody with a '05 concert t-shirt has a book with some names on it.

When someone in your line finds the wherewithal to confront said offenders... find it within yourself to align yourself with them to have the morons tuck their tail between their legs, go to the back of the line, and later feel a touch of shame when they are among you in the pit. It's your responsibility towards making the world a better place.

ambrasjes · November 2013

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The cutting fools became brazen because nobody challenged them on such an act of disrespect.

I agree whole heartedly. Don't blame the fool for trying, blame yourself and the people around you for letting it happen.

It's not me, it's you. :twisted:

JH6056 · November 2013

bchagnon wrote:

Posted this in the other thread but thought I'd throw this in here as well.

An easy proposed solution:

GA tix are pre-marked with priority numbers. Venue entrance priority (place in line) is based on that. That shifts the line with picking up the tickets and not getting into the venue.

Once tickets are picked up, go to the bar, do some sightseeing, and be back at the venue at a set time (say 4:30 PM) and claim the spot printed on your ticket.

Best of both worlds here, rewards people who get in line early to pick up tickets (a line you should not be able to leave), but allows you to go do some other things once they are picked up.

Maybe I'm not thinking this completely through, but seems like it would eliminate some of the GA problems people have been complaining about.

Either this, or hand out GA ticks randomly (in pairs with consecutive priority numbers) and eliminate the need to get there early at all. And as with the above, have a set time to be back and form the line.

Anyways, just my thoughts.

That actually makes a ton of sense. It allows for GA to still be truly GA (senoirity doesn't count), but also allows those most hardcore about being on the rail to get there early, get their tix, and then no one has to spend all day in line, but also no one can cut when the line gets formed later. Would also make sense to only require one person to pick up 2 tickets, so both people don't absolutely have to be there at zero dark thirty to wait for the initial tix. And the band gets to see some new faces on the rail, and people like theo cool guy above who saw Elvis would actually have a prayer of crossing this off the bucket list. AND... it's not a secret society - if you're there early, you get tix whether you knew the system or not. It's not some secret list that people can abuse so badly and that people further back in hte line know nothing about and do the right thing waiting and not leaving, only to be displaced by 40 slackers.

I never get GA, because I'm short and do not do well standing in one place all day, but I support those who can/do do it and I support them having a fair workable system that is hard to abuse.

ryph raph · November 2013

63schoefflin wrote:

Wait wtf? I haven't heard of this...Because if you are saying people are not standing in line the entire time and then slipping in, I would knock that person out. I had GA tix but I didn't bother going in until around 8:00 so I didn't see any of this.

The other thing is why the hell would the people in line not kick someone's ass for walking in front of line?

A swift hard punch to the kidneys is called for. Make it a Pearl Jam show they will never forget.

luismota123 · November 2013

Someone needs to just grab this notebook and either trash or burn it!! Problem solved with no notebook

Goatboy · November 2013

I heard about line numbers during the last leg but I didn't think it was fan run? Seriously WTF is wrong with people? Such elitist fucks in this fan base.

Bant · November 2013

strummers wrote:

EB60123 wrote:

On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already

Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!

One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!

No, if you see the person with the list. Tell them to fuck off, grab it and burn it. Then throw it in their face.

Suziemay · November 2013

strummers wrote:

EB60123 wrote:

On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already

Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!

One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!

The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.

Bant · November 2013

Suziemay wrote:

The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.

I was in line at Hartford well before the doors opened and nobody told me about this list.

That "list" is the definition of elitist.

CAVSTARR313 · November 2013

Ever been in a long line at the bank? or at airport security? They wind everyone in a serpentine fashion..

What if they but something like this in the pit? After every song, 20 people gotta move over..

That would mean everyone gets the rail at one point!!

I am a fucking genius!! I look forward to your letters

JWPearl · November 2013

Genius idea but if you get a beer you should get your place back in GA due to short break, we need loop holes.

Suziemay · November 2013

Bant wrote:

Suziemay wrote:

The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.

I was in line at Hartford well before the doors opened and nobody told me about this list.

That "list" is the definition of elitist.

No one told me either. I first came across it in Europe. First thing I did was to ask people around me what the deal was and someone told me the deal. It's no big secret. I'm sorry that no one filled you in, but it really isn't hard to find out. Was there one entrance or multiple in Hartford? If it was multiple entrances then the list doesn't work.

Spiritual_Chaos · November 2013

Bant wrote:

That "list" is the definition of elitist.

Why? It's not more then an extra measures not have idiots cut in or anything or start a debate over your place when you've been to the bathroom.

It's not like having a number gives you any privileges, you still have to sit there and wait - and to my knowledge from my one show in the US people did just that, sat on their ass and waited. At least where I was sitting.

My experience with the list in the US is only one show, but it was handled great compared to Europe. Less douchebags that cut in at least.

strummers · November 2013

Bant wrote:

Suziemay wrote:

The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.

I was in line at Hartford well before the doors opened and nobody told me about this list.

That "list" is the definition of elitist.

I can't speak for your experience as I wasn't there and have no first hand experience of US queues. However, we aren't with the 'in crowd' and are both fairly quiet. When we first encountered 'the list' we had absolutely no idea about it. Somehow we figured it out, we asked what was with the numbers and was there anything we needed to do and we're told all about the idea. You put your name down when you're in line, get a number and should locations change etc. or when the official line location is put in place by the venue, we can keep track of where everyone was in line.

Sounded like a decent idea. Still think it is, I've met some absolutely fantastic people over the years through lining up (and a few not so

). We've informed people about the unofficial list at venues if we see people kind of wandering a bit lost, or if people line up behind us and don't seem to know about it.

I'm sorry if no-one told you about it and that you didn't notice numbers on hands etc., I totally understand your frustration about it if you feel you were screwed over. I hope your future experiences are more positive!

toridanioth · November 2013

Caveeze wrote:

Ever been in a long line at the bank? or at airport security? They wind everyone in a serpentine fashion..

What if they but something like this in the pit? After every song, 20 people gotta move over..

That would mean everyone gets the rail at one point!!

I am a fucking genius!! I look forward to your letters

Not such a fan of another line- but I like the idea of people enjoying the rail for a few songs and then letting somebody else belly up. I've been to bunch of shows- never been on the rail and had a kick ass time- everytime. Can we stop treating the rail like it is so precious? Listen to Eddie.... the selfish they're all standing in line......

Mamasan Bren · November 2013

Last-12-Exit wrote:

My wife and u got in the GA line in charlotte around 4:30pm. We noticed people had numbers written on their hands and I tried to explain this notebook system the 10c uses.

See that's part of the problem right there. It's not the 10 Club's system. It's fans who arrive first creating a notebook list and numbers on hands with markers who really have no authority to do so. It is happening. I've seen photos and read comments about people thanking its occurrence that allowed them to attend the pre-party, return to their hotels, etc. Those that truly wait are honest people. Those that don't truly wait due to the excuse that their name is on the list are not. People in the line shouldn't have to police the abusers either. Nor do they really have the right to physically throw someone out of a line.

Horos · November 2013

PRL1JAM wrote:

I would never sign some unofficial "line order" sheet that some clown created with a sharpie and a napkin. Who the hell are these people creating these list in line?

Apparently not Mamasan Bren but possibly Suziemay.

Suziemay · November 2013

Horos wrote:

PRL1JAM wrote:

I would never sign some unofficial "line order" sheet that some clown created with a sharpie and a napkin. Who the hell are these people creating these list in line?

Apparently not Mamasan Bren but possibly Suziemay.

Never started a line. WIth my luck I would probably be waiting at the wrong door

Last-12-Exit · November 2013

Mamasan Bren wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

My wife and u got in the GA line in charlotte around 4:30pm. We noticed people had numbers written on their hands and I tried to explain this notebook system the 10c uses.

See that's part of the problem right there. It's not the 10 Club's system. It's fans who arrive first creating a notebook list and numbers on hands with markers who really have no authority to do so. It is happening. I've seen photos and read comments about people thanking its occurrence that allowed them to attend the pre-party, return to their hotels, etc. Those that truly wait are honest people. Those that don't truly wait due to the excuse that their name is on the list are not. People in the line shouldn't have to police the abusers either. Nor do they really have the right to physically throw someone out of a line.

I did explain to her that it wasn't a 10c system, but fans doing it on their own. I "misspoke" when i was typing that out. Apologies

The Number Notebook for GA is horrifically flawed.

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