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  • Come Back in Black
    Come Back in Black Posts: 659
    Veddernarian wrote:
    Now that Steve Jobs destroyed the music industry, they probably need to re-calibrate what defines gold and platinum. Probably cut it to 500k for plat and 250k for gold. It isn't the same as things were when CD / Vinyl or Cassette purchased in record stores was the only means of access. They need to redefine the criteria based on current times. You can't compare with even 5-10 years ago.

    Napster came out in June 1999. That destroyed the music industry. The first ipod didn't surface until Oct 2001. Napster promoted stealing music. Apple sells music but people never stopped stealing it after they got that first taste. That destroyed the music industry and thats why albums don't sell as well today even though you can buy an album now with one click on your iphone or droid. What does it feel like to be so wrong?
  • scratched vinyl
    scratched vinyl Posts: 742
    TJ25487 wrote:
    This albums savior is going to have to be Sirens. I haven't seen how it is doing on the singles charts but it could be a slow grower and ratchet up album sales or not as people can now preview all of the songs and just buy one. Crazy new world we live in.

    I think the best shot they had for expanding their audience and sustaining record sales would have been Infallible. It's a much, for lack of a better word, cooler song. Taps into hip hip tones a a bit, has a solid chorus. Sirens is a beautiful song, but it's a ballad. When's the last time an artist outside of country had a hit with a ballad? You could make the case for Adele maybe, but anything that came from 21 was guaranteed to get airplay and sell more copies regardless of what style it was.
    Just don't think ballads are commercially where it's a these days.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    A note of clarification: an album is certified gold when it ships 500,000 units to retail, regardless of whether or not they sell. Thus, you can sell fewer than 500,000 units to customers but still be certified gold. Bear this in mind when you use "going gold" as shorthand for selling 500,000 copies. That's not exactly what it means in practice.

    Stealing music has something to do with declining album sales-- and if you're one of the people stealing music, stop stealing music-- but the bigger impact has been the result of the easy availability of individual tracks, whether it be singles available at the click of a button for 99 cents, or album tracks. In the past, when only singles and albums were commercially available, and the single might cost $2.99 (in the CD single era), people would just buy the album. Now, they can pick three or four tracks (not just the single) for that price.
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  • 2LightYears
    2LightYears Posts: 69
    igotid88 wrote:
    BF25394 wrote:
    Interestingly, the non-single that appears to be garnering the most digital downloads is...

    (Wait for it)

    "Future Days." The song is No. 30 on the Rock Digital Songs list, Pearl Jam's only entry on that chart, and No. 2 on the Hard Rock Digital Songs list, behind only Avenged Sevenfold's "Hail To The King" and ahead of Pearl Jam's three other entries, "Black" (No. 19), "Yellow Ledbetter" (No. 21) and "Getaway" (No. 22). (Don't ask me why "Future Days" is categorized as hard rock. I think they just go by artist.)

    Yes, neither "Sirens" nor "Mind Your Manners" cracks either one of these charts. (Rock Digital Songs is 50 positions long; Hard Rock Digital Songs is 25 positions long.)

    Yeah I noticed that about Future Days. I think Sirens was there last week. It got up #3 on Itunes.

    "Future Days" was the final song on a recent episode of Grey's Anatomy. Think that has something to do with it?
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  • bicyclejoe
    bicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,203
    Come Back in Black wrote:
    Veddernarian wrote:
    Now that Steve Jobs destroyed the music industry, they probably need to re-calibrate what defines gold and platinum. Probably cut it to 500k for plat and 250k for gold. It isn't the same as things were when CD / Vinyl or Cassette purchased in record stores was the only means of access. They need to redefine the criteria based on current times. You can't compare with even 5-10 years ago.

    Napster came out in June 1999. That destroyed the music industry. The first ipod didn't surface until Oct 2001. Napster promoted stealing music. Apple sells music but people never stopped stealing it after they got that first taste. That destroyed the music industry and thats why albums don't sell as well today even though you can buy an album now with one click on your iphone or droid. What does it feel like to be so wrong?

    Yeah, I laughed when I read "Steve Jobs destroyed the music industry." Actually, he saved what was left of it with iTunes (the world's No. 1 music retailer -- as in, where music is sold) and the iPod. That said, I subscribe to Spotify, which is truly destroying the music industry, and buy only vinyl when I can.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    2LightYears wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    BF25394 wrote:
    Interestingly, the non-single that appears to be garnering the most digital downloads is...

    (Wait for it)

    "Future Days." The song is No. 30 on the Rock Digital Songs list, Pearl Jam's only entry on that chart, and No. 2 on the Hard Rock Digital Songs list, behind only Avenged Sevenfold's "Hail To The King" and ahead of Pearl Jam's three other entries, "Black" (No. 19), "Yellow Ledbetter" (No. 21) and "Getaway" (No. 22). (Don't ask me why "Future Days" is categorized as hard rock. I think they just go by artist.)

    Yes, neither "Sirens" nor "Mind Your Manners" cracks either one of these charts. (Rock Digital Songs is 50 positions long; Hard Rock Digital Songs is 25 positions long.)

    Yeah I noticed that about Future Days. I think Sirens was there last week. It got up #3 on Itunes.

    "Future Days" was the final song on a recent episode of Grey's Anatomy. Think that has something to do with it?

    That would definitely seem to explain it.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    edited November 2013
    After two weeks, "Lightning Bolt" sits at #2 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their second week of release?

    "Vs.": #1
    "No Code": #1
    "Lightning Bolt": #2
    "Vitalogy": #2*
    "Yield": #3
    "Pearl Jam": #8
    "Backspacer": #10
    "Binaural": #13
    "Riot Act": #36
    "Ten": Not charted

    *Does not include two weeks available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    BF25394 wrote:
    After one week, "Lightning Bolt" sits at #1 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their first week of release?

    "Vs.": #1
    "No Code": #1
    "Lightning Bolt": #2
    "Vitalogy": #2*
    "Yield": #3
    "Pearl Jam": #8
    "Backspacer": #10
    "Binaural": #13
    "Riot Act": #36
    "Ten": Not charted

    *Does not include two weeks available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).

    you mean 2nd week?
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    The Juggler wrote:
    BF25394 wrote:
    After one week, "Lightning Bolt" sits at #1 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their first week of release?

    "Vs.": #1
    "No Code": #1
    "Lightning Bolt": #2
    "Vitalogy": #2*
    "Yield": #3
    "Pearl Jam": #8
    "Backspacer": #10
    "Binaural": #13
    "Riot Act": #36
    "Ten": Not charted

    *Does not include two weeks available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).

    you mean 2nd week?

    Whoops. Yeah, I forget to edit the first sentence. I fixed it above.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Looks like the number is 44k. Better than expected?
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  • PushinPaint
    PushinPaint Posts: 434
    I actually thought it might do better than that with the tour, Fallon week, and World Series. It seems like the peak is always week 1, I'm not sure how you get a bounce anytime after release. Just a downward plane. I think it'll crawl toward Gold, which is surprising in a way because I think it's really good, and unsurprising in a way because no one buys CDs anymore.
  • PushinPaint
    PushinPaint Posts: 434
    PushinPaint wrote:
    I actually thought it might do better than that with the tour, Fallon week, and World Series. It seems like the peak is always week 1, I'm not sure how you get a bounce anytime after release. Just a downward plane. I think it'll crawl toward Gold, which is surprising in a way because I think it's really good, and unsurprising in a way because no one buys CDs anymore.

    Edit: i guess if a single takes off it could go from ~40k to ~80k or something and hover there for a spell
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,657
    PushinPaint wrote:
    PushinPaint wrote:
    I actually thought it might do better than that with the tour, Fallon week, and World Series. It seems like the peak is always week 1, I'm not sure how you get a bounce anytime after release. Just a downward plane. I think it'll crawl toward Gold, which is surprising in a way because I think it's really good, and unsurprising in a way because no one buys CDs anymore.

    Edit: i guess if a single takes off it could go from ~40k to ~80k or something and hover there for a spell

    A lot of people still haven't heard Sirens
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    PushinPaint wrote:
    no one buys CDs anymore.

    Last week saw the lowest total number of albums sold in the U.S. since Soundscan started tracking it in 1991-- but there were still 4.5 million albums sold, so it's not quite "no one." (And most of those are physical albums, not downloads, which will come as a surprise to most people but is true.)

    The Christmas season tends to drive up sales totals across the board, so that could be something that helps Pearl Jam get to or past 500,000, especially if "Sirens" is getting a lot of radio play.
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  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    Hits Daily Double puts LB at #4 in week 2 and Billboard puts LB at #2. On week 1, HDD was slightly higher than BB and this week, slightly lower. Is this the same thing with a cutoff issue? Ir are the sources different?
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,657
    Veddernarian wrote:
    Hits Daily Double puts LB at #4 in week 2 and Billboard puts LB at #2. On week 1, HDD was slightly higher than BB and this week, slightly lower. Is this the same thing with a cutoff issue? Ir are the sources different?

    Well Billboard uses Nielsen Soundscan. I thought everyone used them? So I don't know why the numbers are different.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    After three weeks, "Lightning Bolt" sits at #11 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their third week of release?

    "Vs.": #1
    "Vitalogy": #3*
    "Yield": #5
    "No Code": #7
    "Pearl Jam": #10
    "Lightning Bolt": #11
    "Backspacer": #16
    "Binaural": #26
    "Riot Act": #67
    "Ten": Not charted

    *Does not include two weeks available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    BF25394 wrote:
    After three weeks, "Lightning Bolt" sits at #11 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their third week of release?

    "Vs.": #1
    "Vitalogy": #3*
    "Yield": #5
    "No Code": #7
    "Pearl Jam": #10
    "Lightning Bolt": #11
    "Backspacer": #16
    "Binaural": #26
    "Riot Act": #67
    "Ten": Not charted

    *Does not include two weeks available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).

    thanks. i enjoy tracking this stuff in this thread. could you include the actual sales figures?
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,657
    The Juggler wrote:
    BF25394 wrote:
    After three weeks, "Lightning Bolt" sits at #11 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their third week of release?

    "Vs.": #1
    "Vitalogy": #3*
    "Yield": #5
    "No Code": #7
    "Pearl Jam": #10
    "Lightning Bolt": #11
    "Backspacer": #16
    "Binaural": #26
    "Riot Act": #67
    "Ten": Not charted

    *Does not include two weeks available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).

    thanks. i enjoy tracking this stuff in this thread. could you include the actual sales figures?

    Would be hard if you're not a member of Nielsen Soundscan or in the business
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    how can you become a nielsen member?
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