Rail security at Brooklyn II

its_ok · October 2013

mookieblalock wrote:

This thread is just a reminder to me of what a me world we live in today. Our problems are always because of somebody else. There is no personal responsibility anymore.

"I wasn't dehydrated, but boy was I thirsty"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Security didn't even provide us with chairs... We were standing in line for 10 hours straight! I mean....we could've collapsed!!!!!!! Gimme a break.

Every man for themselves, that gives for a much better atmosphere! And let's remove the rails as well! And the security guys, what an unnecessary cost, people on the floor should just leave if they can't handle it! Stupid lady was handing out free ear plugs as well, did you see that??! Where is this world heading??

Why can't I just stand and enjoy my bud light, minding my own business?!

mookieblalock · October 2013

its_ok wrote:

mookieblalock wrote:

This thread is just a reminder to me of what a me world we live in today. Our problems are always because of somebody else. There is no personal responsibility anymore.

"I wasn't dehydrated, but boy was I thirsty"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Security didn't even provide us with chairs... We were standing in line for 10 hours straight! I mean....we could've collapsed!!!!!!! Gimme a break.

Every man for themselves, that gives for a much better atmosphere! And let's remove the rails as well! And the security guys, what an unnecessary cost, people on the floor should just leave if they can't handle it! Stupid lady was handing out free ear plugs as well, did you see that??! Where is this world heading??

Why can't I just stand and enjoy my bud light, minding my own business?!

How about instead of "every man for themselves," you change your quote to "be a man." (Or woman). You people sound like children.

possomists · October 2013

I was in the corner in the front row at Brooklyn. One of the security guards picked up mikes guitar picks. I asked him to give it to me, and he wouldn't. He offered to sell them to me. I said are you serious? He said yeah whats it worth to you? I told him Im not paying for something that was meant to go to fans. I tried taking a picture of his name tag and he ran to the other side of the stage. All the other security was great though.

scratched vinyl · October 2013

YieldToNothing wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Dillsnufus wrote:

yea it was bullshit. I dont think i was on the verge of dehydration but boy was i thirsty. One rail guard said he'd look backstage for water and never did. The other guy told me to go buy concession if i was thirsty. all they care about is making money and not the safety of their customers (unless you're crowd surfing off course lol)

thanks for the post

I get the concerns, but shouldn't it be someone's own responsibility to go and get themselves some water if they are so dehydrated? To me, this sounds like people would rather be on the verge of passing out rather than losing their precious spot on the rail. Seems kinda silly to me.

spoken like someone who has never been on the rail

Or ya know, spoken like someone with common sense.
A person makes the choice to go to the rail knowing full well they will be there without access to water for a couple hours.
It's not someone else's responsibility to give you water, so hey, bring water, leave to get water, or suffer without water so you can be at the rail. It's each person's choice, but don't bitch if your survival instinct isn't stronger than your need to be a bit closer to a band.

I'm a Truck · October 2013

HOLY FUCK! What the fuck is wrong with some of you! Bring me water!!?? No one took a gun to head walked you into the building then handcuffed you to the stage! If you need a drink because you don't feel well than fucking move! You're at a fucking rock concert for fucks sake! Their are millions of people that haven't had a clean drink or a meal in days and your asking for tap water so you can keep your trendy spot at a show?!?! How about they just put a concession stand right in front of the stage right next to a merchandise booth and let you bring in ropes so you can keep your coveted spot? Wait fuck, I need someone to bring me shit to my seat as well. I hate having to move. Some of you fuckers are completely delusional. This is truly one of the DUMBEST FUCKING THINGS IVE EVERE READ HERE! And that's saying a lot. Bring me some water... Fuck :fp: go fucking get it yourself. Stop being so fucking needy. Just make sure your 3 year old is well hydrated. Idiots.

PJ51390 · October 2013

I'm a Truck wrote:

HOLY FUCK! What the fuck is wrong with some of you! Bring me water!!?? No one took a gun to head walked you into the building then handcuffed you to the stage! If you need a drink because you don't feel well than fucking move! You're at a fucking rock concert for fucks sake! Their are millions of people that haven't had a clean drink or a meal in days and your asking for tap water so you can keep your trendy spot at a show?!?! How about they just put a concession stand right in front of the stage right next to a merchandise booth and let you bring in ropes so you can keep your coveted spot? Wait fuck, I need someone to bring me shit to my seat as well. I hate having to move. Some of you fuckers are completely delusional. This is truly one of the DUMBEST FUCKING THINGS IVE EVERE READ HERE! And that's saying a lot. Bring me some water... Fuck :fp: go fucking get it yourself. Stop being so fucking needy. Just make sure your 3 year old is well hydrated. Idiots.

I cannot disagree one bit. One of the best rants I've heard here in a while Well done! :corn:

Brain Of Jeremy · October 2013

I'm a Truck wrote:

HOLY FUCK! What the fuck is wrong with some of you! Bring me water!!?? No one took a gun to head walked you into the building then handcuffed you to the stage! If you need a drink because you don't feel well than fucking move! You're at a fucking rock concert for fucks sake! Their are millions of people that haven't had a clean drink or a meal in days and your asking for tap water so you can keep your trendy spot at a show?!?! How about they just put a concession stand right in front of the stage right next to a merchandise booth and let you bring in ropes so you can keep your coveted spot? Wait fuck, I need someone to bring me shit to my seat as well. I hate having to move. Some of you fuckers are completely delusional. This is truly one of the DUMBEST FUCKING THINGS IVE EVERE READ HERE! And that's saying a lot. Bring me some water... Fuck :fp: go fucking get it yourself. Stop being so fucking needy. Just make sure your 3 year old is well hydrated. Idiots.

The Force is very strong with this one.

Very well may be the one who fulfills the prophecy and restores balance between us and the delusional rail people.

benjs · October 2013

I honestly had no idea that the suggestion to sell water at the front, by the rail, would be such a polarizing idea - my apologies. I've articulated my opinions on the matter, and it's been interesting to hear that water distribution is a regular thing at EU shows. For the record, I didn't expect water - nor was I personally nearing dehydration. I was worried about someone near me, that's all. Oh well!

its_ok · October 2013

benjs wrote:

I honestly had no idea that the suggestion to sell water at the front, by the rail, would be such a polarizing idea - my apologies. I've articulated my opinions on the matter, and it's been interesting to hear that water distribution is a regular thing at EU shows. For the record, I didn't expect water - nor was I personally nearing dehydration. I was worried about someone near me, that's all. Oh well!

Yeah, have no idea how passing some water could be such a sensitive topic

The argument that you've chosen to stand there doesn't really hold as you can make the same argument about security overall, not only water.

Good to see you looking after your fellow fans up front!

LloydXmas · October 2013

I'm a Truck wrote:

HOLY FUCK! What the fuck is wrong with some of you! Bring me water!!?? No one took a gun to head walked you into the building then handcuffed you to the stage! If you need a drink because you don't feel well than fucking move! You're at a fucking rock concert for fucks sake! Their are millions of people that haven't had a clean drink or a meal in days and your asking for tap water so you can keep your trendy spot at a show?!?! How about they just put a concession stand right in front of the stage right next to a merchandise booth and let you bring in ropes so you can keep your coveted spot? Wait fuck, I need someone to bring me shit to my seat as well. I hate having to move. Some of you fuckers are completely delusional. This is truly one of the DUMBEST FUCKING THINGS IVE EVERE READ HERE! And that's saying a lot. Bring me some water... Fuck :fp: go fucking get it yourself. Stop being so fucking needy. Just make sure your 3 year old is well hydrated. Idiots.

My hero!!!!

Here's one more fuck for good measure.

#FHP

Brain Of Jeremy · October 2013

benjs wrote:

I honestly had no idea that the suggestion to sell water at the front, by the rail, would be such a polarizing idea - my apologies. I've articulated my opinions on the matter, and it's been interesting to hear that water distribution is a regular thing at EU shows. For the record, I didn't expect water - nor was I personally nearing dehydration. I was worried about someone near me, that's all. Oh well!

I think the baffling thing to those who you deem to be not in line with your thinking is "Why do you stay?"

If your health is at risk or you see someone who is in that situation; why can't you or that person take it upon themselves to go take a break? Never hear a response to that one, it always "you people are insensitive!"

Another guy even brought up a couple good points to your suggestion...

-once somebody gets water, then everyone wants it and it becomes a situation that could get ugly

-Can't give out bottles because god forbid people throw them onstage or elsewhere (pretty common at any event)

People like you don't like to hear answers to the question when it doesn't suit the exact kind of answer your looking for.

Please just tell me why can't people just walk away if they should? Why not move to a different area where they have more space? Why is it somebody elses problem (band, security, Obama, society, ect..), but there own?

benjs · October 2013

Brain Of Jeremy wrote:

benjs wrote:

I honestly had no idea that the suggestion to sell water at the front, by the rail, would be such a polarizing idea - my apologies. I've articulated my opinions on the matter, and it's been interesting to hear that water distribution is a regular thing at EU shows. For the record, I didn't expect water - nor was I personally nearing dehydration. I was worried about someone near me, that's all. Oh well!

I think the baffling thing to those who you deem to be not in line with your thinking is "Why do you stay?"

If your health is at risk or you see someone who is in that situation; why can't you or that person take it upon themselves to go take a break? Never hear a response to that one, it always "you people are insensitive!"

Another guy even brought up a couple good points to your suggestion...

-once somebody gets water, then everyone wants it and it becomes a situation that could get ugly

-Can't give out bottles because god forbid people throw them onstage or elsewhere (pretty common at any event)

People like you don't like to hear answers to the question when it doesn't suit the exact kind of answer your looking for.

Please just tell me why can't people just walk away if they should? Why not move to a different area where they have more space? Why is it somebody elses problem (band, security, Obama, society, ect..), but there own?

For the water - I suggested they put it for sale. I don't feel entitled to it. In regards to the bottles - I was allowed in with my empty SIGG water bottle (because I wasn't allowed to come in with water), which I had had with me in line all day. Seems to me that thing could do MUCH more damage than a plastic water bottle. If I was nearing dehydration - you're damn right I'd be moving on. I just know for a band who cares so much about the safety of their fan base, it would be an incredibly easy thing for them to do to have a case of water on reserve to sell in these circumstances. What I will say is that you're 100% right that the venue/band/management has zero obligation to provide this service.

jburgoon · October 2013

Like many others have said, being obsessive about getting to the rail comes with certain consequences. I've seen some people get downright nasty about getting a spot on the rail....pushing and trying to slide in, etc. It's not what I want to deal with at a concert so I never buy GA tickets. Would much rather be comfortable while watching my favorite band play than have to spend the entire concert thinking about whether I may lose "my spot". Everyone is responsible for their own hydration....it is not the responsibility of security or the band. If you willingly put yourself in a position that may result in a need to leave and get a drink, thereby losing your place, then that is on you. Time to grow up a little bit.

mookieblalock · October 2013

its_ok wrote:

The argument that you've chosen to stand there doesn't really hold as you can make the same argument about security overall, not only water.

Good to see you looking after your fellow fans up front!

Ummm.....what?

Brain Of Jeremy · October 2013

benjs wrote:

I just know for a band who cares so much about the safety of their fan base, it would be an incredibly easy thing for them to do to have a case of water on reserve to sell in these circumstances.

And here is where I still think you just don't get it. It has nothing to do with the band being good guys and it has nothing to do with it being easy.

It is about being responsible for yourself, plain and simple.

You know who has a water bottle on hand? The frickin paramedic being paid to work the event and if it actually comes to that point then in most cases it was foolishness of the person who neglected to take care of them self.

nevmiles · October 2013

smarchee wrote:

should have the hose out and spraying the mosh pit like in the old days

But then how would people hold up their phones constantly to film the show/take pictures!?!?!?! Their phones would get wet!!!

mookieblalock · October 2013

I think the only fair solution to this is to provide bottled water to all pit ticket holders with numbers 150xxx or better.

Oh....I would add that Eddie should personally bless the water before it is given away; after all they are a caring band, so why not take advantage of that?

Lukinz · October 2013

possomists wrote:

I was in the corner in the front row at Brooklyn. One of the security guards picked up mikes guitar picks. I asked him to give it to me, and he wouldn't. He offered to sell them to me. I said are you serious? He said yeah whats it worth to you? I told him Im not paying for something that was meant to go to fans. I tried taking a picture of his name tag and he ran to the other side of the stage. All the other security was great though.

You should have given him a bottle of water.

LloydXmas · October 2013

mookieblalock wrote:

I think the only fair solution to this is to provide bottled water to all pit ticket holders with numbers 150xxx or better.

Oh....I would add that Eddie should personally bless the water before it is given away; after all they are a caring band, so why not take advantage of that?

Ohh. Blessed water from Eddie. Highly flippable on eBay.

I'm a Truck · October 2013

LloydXmas wrote:

mookieblalock wrote:

I think the only fair solution to this is to provide bottled water to all pit ticket holders with numbers 150xxx or better.

Oh....I would add that Eddie should personally bless the water before it is given away; after all they are a caring band, so why not take advantage of that?

Ohh. Blessed water from Eddie. Highly flippable on eBay.

Another well loved member pointed out to me there should probably have a on site massage for feet and calves from all the standing you do so you don't develop medical conditions in your legs. Probably best if you just bring a chair and cooler I think.

Rail security at Brooklyn II

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