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Rail security at Brooklyn II
benjs
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On the topic of the staff, by the rail I witnessed something less than ideal from the security on the other side, and maybe should lead to some new precedents on the band's part.
Sure, some of us have seen the tour rider discussing how many bottles of wine, what kind, soda water requirements, etc. that each band member requires, but now that GA is happening, you have a good 40-100 people at each show who have been standing for literally hours.
I was next to a guy who I was convinced was about to pass out of dehydration at the rail. He asked the security guard walking back and forth once about water. The security guard nodded. Then again. He mumbled something and headed out where it seemed he had said he was going to find a bottle. From that point forward, the security guard purposely avoided eye contact with this guy each time he walked by (and he walked by a lot). This is not just rude - this is a health and safety issue. Please, Pearl Jam management, a case of water to distribute as requested by the fans would cost maybe $10 and save people a lot of grief. Hell, if I thought security would've helped I'd have gladly paid before the show started.
Sure, some of us have seen the tour rider discussing how many bottles of wine, what kind, soda water requirements, etc. that each band member requires, but now that GA is happening, you have a good 40-100 people at each show who have been standing for literally hours.
I was next to a guy who I was convinced was about to pass out of dehydration at the rail. He asked the security guard walking back and forth once about water. The security guard nodded. Then again. He mumbled something and headed out where it seemed he had said he was going to find a bottle. From that point forward, the security guard purposely avoided eye contact with this guy each time he walked by (and he walked by a lot). This is not just rude - this is a health and safety issue. Please, Pearl Jam management, a case of water to distribute as requested by the fans would cost maybe $10 and save people a lot of grief. Hell, if I thought security would've helped I'd have gladly paid before the show started.
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Of course, a much smaller place than an arena, but an incredibly thoughtful act.
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thanks for the post
I get the concerns, but shouldn't it be someone's own responsibility to go and get themselves some water if they are so dehydrated? To me, this sounds like people would rather be on the verge of passing out rather than losing their precious spot on the rail. Seems kinda silly to me.
People feel entitled because "they" put themselves in a situation!? Rather then taking care of themselves and maybe just watching the show somewhere else!? You're still in GA.
Sorry, just have read so many posts here about the whole "rail" mentality and it is just so extreme. Would Security giving water to someone be a nice and courteous human gesture? Yes, of course it would.
However, shouldn't stepping away under your own power be one as well if it is for your own good?
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I agree. This is the world we live in. Blame someone else for something that is 100% our own fault.
seriously. so I'm in my seat rocking out just as hard, if I'm dying of thirst I have to go to concession to pay out the ass for a bottle of water. but no, the almighty rail fans are above it all - they deserve for free what the rest of us peons must pay for!
the arrogance and self-rightousness is amazing. not to mention, like you said, the massively skewed priorities
It seems pretty selfish and careless to let yourself get to the point of dehydration just to stay up front. Take water with you, and drink it wisely throughout the show so you don't have to pee 'til the end!
If you can't handle the rail, stay off it.
If you have a weak bladder, stay off it.
If you are stupid enough to show up to the rail at doors open, til end of show with nothing to drink, stay off it.
There is no difference between someone on the rail and someone in the nosebleed section. Go get something to drink :roll:
If this guy really needed help, he would have asked for it, but he didn't want to lose his place on the rail and end up in the first aid room.
Whoa, slow down. You're making too much sense. Do you seriously expect me to be responsible for my own actions and decisions? Its much easier to expect all our rail needs to be catered to by security guards.
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that being said, did they allow you to take one bottle of water per person with you like they did at wrigley? if that's the case just get one and drink it slowly during the show.
thanks, dick
spoken like someone who has never been on the rail
no problem, dick
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Oh give me a fucking break. So the security guards are out of line for not getting people water???? If you let yourself get to the point of nearly passing out and don't get yourself some water just to save your spot on the rail, you are out of your fucking mind.
And I have been on the rail before. And every time I had to give up my spot because I needed some water or I had to take a piss.
Yes. I would leave that spot to get some water. That's just common sense.
I've been on the rail since before you were born. Back in my day people dressed up to be on the rail. It was an event with great food and polite service. Oh wait, that's air travel. Never mind. Carry on.
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Man the fuck up
No one is forcing you to be there.... And yea I've been in front a handful of times. My fanatic ass is responsible for myself, how bout that
I've been on the rail twice this tour. I also had the foresight to know once I was in, I was in and prepared accordingly. Were you surprised once you got in there and couldn't get water? Were you expecting water to be handed to once you were on the rail? If so, that's a you problem; if not, then you pretty much got what you expected.
I don't think rail people are entitled over seat people but if you leave the rail for anything the chance of getting your spot back is slim and like ed said last night he doesn't want fights to happen ever again.