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The Juggler wrote:

rw--what is your response to that poll? the overwhelming majority of native americans are not offended by the name of the football team in washington dc. seriously, what is your response to that? i mean, if they are not offended, should they change it because people like you think they should be offended?

the poll is bullshit...my old prof wrote an article that the new york times wrote her saying that they wouldn't publish that refutes the polling procedures and questions how they were able to get members of tribes that haven't talked to white people for years to participate. by and large native people are so distrustful of white people that they won't even talk to us much less participate in some poll over a mascot. again, would you feel comfortable going onto an indian reservation saying "what up redskin"? if not why are you fighting to keep this team name?

RW81233 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

rw--what is your response to that poll? the overwhelming majority of native americans are not offended by the name of the football team in washington dc. seriously, what is your response to that? i mean, if they are not offended, should they change it because people like you think they should be offended?

the poll is bullshit...my old prof wrote an article that the new york times wrote her saying that they wouldn't publish that refutes the polling procedures and questions how they were able to get members of tribes that haven't talked to white people for years to participate. by and large native people are so distrustful of white people that they won't even talk to us much less participate in some poll over a mascot. again, would you feel comfortable going onto an indian reservation saying "what up redskin"? if not why are you fighting to keep this team name?

the better question is when was the last time anyone, anywhere, used the term "redskin" and meant it as a slur...or meant it any form other than to refer to a sports team? 80 years ago/ 100 years ago? 120 years ago? in 35 years, i have never heard anyone say it in person or in movies or shit. it's the name of a fucking football team.

if i had a friend who was native american and a die hard fan of the professional football team that plays in dc, i would absolutely tell him that the "redskins suck" and not think anything of it...and quite honestly, he wouldn't have either (well at least until before our national media told him to think twice about it recently).

plus is it possible that it's disappeared from our popular culture as a reference because at some point someone decided that it was a racial slur (it is by law) and stopped using it? plus if it's just a fucking team name then who the fuck cares if they change it?

RW81233 wrote:

plus is it possible that it's disappeared from our popular culture as a reference because at some point someone decided that it was a racial slur (it is by law) and stopped using it? plus if it's just a fucking team name then who the fuck cares if they change it?

nobody anywhere uses this word as a slur. nobody anywhere cared about this until our stupid national media told people to care about it.

The Juggler wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

plus is it possible that it's disappeared from our popular culture as a reference because at some point someone decided that it was a racial slur (it is by law) and stopped using it? plus if it's just a fucking team name then who the fuck cares if they change it?

nobody anywhere uses this word as a slur. nobody anywhere cared about this until our stupid national media told people to care about it.

first people do use that as a slur, go stay some time in places bordering native or first nation reservations and you'll hear it. second, by law it is recognized as a slur that's why they can't trademark the team name. third, by your logic if we all agreed to stop using the term "nigger" today, then in 30 years we could name a team the New York Niggers with a black mascot, doing some form of bastardized hip hop dance and shooting a gun, and no one could complain. that's most ridiculously flawed of all your ridiculously flawed arguments. just change the team name it's not going to hurt i promise. and finally this fight has been going on for a lot longer than 2 months. think of all the universities that have changed mascots Stanford, Syracuse, Marquette, St. John's, etc. those things happened 20-50 years ago, hardly a new problem. guess how many of them lost money on the change? how about none ever.

RW81233 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

plus is it possible that it's disappeared from our popular culture as a reference because at some point someone decided that it was a racial slur (it is by law) and stopped using it? plus if it's just a fucking team name then who the fuck cares if they change it?

nobody anywhere uses this word as a slur. nobody anywhere cared about this until our stupid national media told people to care about it.

first people do use that as a slur, go stay some time in places bordering native or first nation reservations and you'll hear it. second, by law it is recognized as a slur that's why they can't trademark the team name. third, by your logic if we all agreed to stop using the term "nigger" today, then in 30 years we could name a team the New York Niggers with a black mascot, doing some form of bastardized hip hop dance and shooting a gun, and no one could complain. that's most ridiculously flawed of all your ridiculously flawed arguments. just change the team name it's not going to hurt i promise. and finally this fight has been going on for a lot longer than 2 months. think of all the universities that have changed mascots Stanford, Syracuse, Marquette, St. John's, etc. those things happened 20-50 years ago, hardly a new problem. guess how many of them lost money on the change? how about none ever.

difference between redskin and ni--ger is that word is used as a slur on a daily basis. have you ever heard anyone use redskin as a slur? i haven't. and no, don't tell me you've heard it used on a reservation at the boarder because i doubt you have ever been there.

if there was a major groundswell in this country of native americans who were outraged over this, i could understand, but the truth is there isn't. there are no marches in washington.

GO EAGLES!

Jason P wrote:

It's funny watching sports media trying to drum up a bunch of fake drama for the Colts / Broncos game. They are like a bunch of children trying to wave a sparkler in our collective face.

I did notice during the Colts/Chargers game that the announcers were talking about that game so much that I got the feeling they wished they were calling that one instead.

At least there is SOME public interest here. Peyton going up against his old team. It's more funny to watch ESPN try to drum up interest in some lame-ass MNF matchup. Trying to make a big deal out of two horseshit teams, create some half-ass rivalry by bringing up some 20 year old blown call or rowdy game nobody remembers. I don't watch it anymore, but when I used to watch ESPN, namely PTI and ATH on a game day, it was truly hilarious. Because they do updates each commercial break, and are trying to keep the news flowing in, and they just reach so far. They'll drum up some old high school rivalry, or find some player who has a third cousin who just gave birth, something.

RW81233 wrote:

Dude I grew up in very far upstate New York (Watertown) where Native American and First Nations Reservations were all around. Anyway, this is probably the best argument and critique (all the way around) out there since it's written by an Indian (the legal term) http://deadspin.com/redskins-a-natives- ... 1445909360. Can't wait for the Cowboys-Eagles game Sunday...all these fat guys on steroids wearing pink to make money on cancer is always fun

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at least we can agree on the pink monstrosity, that is the month of october in nfl stadiums.

i think it will be a good one on sunday....

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

at least we can agree on the pink monstrosity, that is the month of october in nfl stadiums.

Imagine if someone made one of the greatest regular season plays ever during October. A play like that great Steve Young run against the Vikings. Or that great Michael Vick run against the VIkings. Or the time one of the Vikings ran the wrong way for a touchdown. Forever and ever they'd show that clip and it'd look so stupid with all the pink. Also, the Vikings really need to get their act together.

yeah. i think about this kind of stuff all the time. like picture some classic footage of the 85 bears defense just destroying an opponent...but dressed in pink cleats, socks, wrist bands, and gloves. just doesn't look right.

way overboard

Pretentious NFL, in the same vein of having the players read the Declaration of Independence before the Superbowl.

Part of me cant wait for the Bills to move so I can be freed of this garbage