Dear Ed, There is a such thing as a Responsible Gun Owner...

PJ_Soul wrote:

I am so sick of all this "responsible gun owner" bullshit.

Newflash - WHO CARES?? I don't give a shit how responsible gun owners may be. Guns still fucking suck, and people suck for owning them unless they live out in the country and need it to protect livestock or something, or they actually can't afford food at the grocery store and need to hunt for it in order to eat.

You're not making a good argument. You should just call him a poo poo head and get it over with.

RoleModelsinBlood31 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I am so sick of all this "responsible gun owner" bullshit.

Newflash - WHO CARES?? I don't give a shit how responsible gun owners may be. Guns still fucking suck, and people suck for owning them unless they live out in the country and need it to protect livestock or something, or they actually can't afford food at the grocery store and need to hunt for it in order to eat.

You're not making a good argument. You should just call him a poo poo head and get it over with.

I guess I could, but that wouldn't have made the point I was making.
I didn't claim that it's a good argument. I was only explaining why I don't give a crap if people are responsible guns owners. It doesn't make gun ownership right in my own opinion. Responsible gun ownership is certainly better than irresponsible gun ownership, but it doesn't eliminate the problem IMO.

I'll say it again and hopefully illicit a response. I believe in what we do here in Vermont. Anyone can get a gun without a lisence. We have no gun crime here. Criminals only use their guns where they know that it gives them the clear upper hand. I don't feel the need to even own a gun because I already know the fact here is I do not have to worry. The absence of gun laws is giving me more power than an actual gun. No one will attack me because they assume I have a gun as well. Not even criminals want to get shot or shoot, they just want to scare, steal, and leave. None of that happens here because you can drive 10 miles to NY and know most people don't have a gun to kill you with, and just rob them. It makes perfect sense.

Indian Summer wrote:

on2legs wrote:

Indian Summer wrote:

In response to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

Ed,

While I fully support your use of freedom of speech over the years, your statement in this interview is of pure ignorance. I'm not going to debate gun control or the politics around it, its your choice to not own a gun and I fully support that. But to wish harm on gun control opponents? I hope karma takes a big bite out of your ass on that comment alone.

I own and legally conceal carry 1 handgun. I do not hunt, it is not used for sport, it is simply for the protection of my family. My gun is never seen by my children, and it's "never fucking laying around". I know where this gun is 24/7. This gun was purchased in the wake of the Colorado Movie Theater shooting, and the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting after I had recently become a father. Not only would I die for my children, but I would also Kill for them. Apparently, you do not value your children as highly as I do, which is a shame.

I hope my gun is never used in the manner in which it is intended, but the world is a crazy place and i will never hesitate to protect my family.

This law abiding, licensed gun owner and supporter will see you in the PIT at both Philly shows. You can expect a middle finger on night one from me for your ignorance.

In all seriousness, have you actually paid attention to Ed all these years? Nothing he said should surprise you. He has an opinion that's different than yours. Get over it or move on. Not trying to be harsh, but you're acting like this is a topic that the band has never addressed before.

Followed them longer than most. I am aware they are anti-gun, which is not my issue. For the second time its that Ed would wish harm on me for being a supporter of gun rights.

He didn't wish harm, he said this 'I Almost Wish Bad Things Upon These People'

Had he said 'I Wish Bad Things Upon These People' that would be different.

To each his own until harm comes their way. Ive been a gun owner for 20 plus years... theres always stupid people who dont take responsibility with guns let alone anything else in this world. We always get lumped together unfortunately... but I'm all for a debate... but at the end of the day.... Responsible people will be responsible and people who choose to do harm will. Its the people in the middle who need mental health help is where i want to focus on. there will always be crazies with any kind of weapon no matter the law. I was stabbed 15 years ago getting off a bus in Virginia and almost bit the dust... one other kid was stabbed too and died. 1998 hampton roads virginia. Were human... we sometimes forget we have to protect ourselves. Itll always be that way. I can understand Ed's fustration..... its hard to see people be eresponsible .. but then again they dont tell much of the postive stories on the media.. so its hard and fustrating. But when the people on the left and right are screaming.. the people in the middle wont get heard. I just hope everyone who has never been attacked .... Never have to experience it. Crap.. My moms house was borken into about a year ago in Kirkland wa.. and she came home and the intruder was still there... he took off knocking her over and she fell and broke her hip.. She lives in Vegas now with my sister... and is scared constanly... which is sad at 78 to all of a sudden be scared like that... statistics can go either way ... and are scewed by both sides.. but at the end of the day.... Im human and just want to protect myself, my family, my belongings, and my rights. And if im never have the need to use my gun.. then thank goodness. Have a good day.

RoleModelsinBlood31 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

RoleModelsinBlood31 wrote:

You're not making a good argument. You should just call him a poo poo head and get it over with.

I guess I could, but that wouldn't have made the point I was making.
I didn't claim that it's a good argument. I was only explaining why I don't give a crap if people are responsible guns owners. It doesn't make gun ownership right in my own opinion. Responsible gun ownership is certainly better than irresponsible gun ownership, but it doesn't eliminate the problem IMO.

Got ya. Unfortunately it's a little late if you thought gun sales were slowing down... In the U.S., it's one of the strongest industries in a country that doesn't have many growing ones anymore. Here's a good article for ya'll:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminite ... gun-sales/
"In 1959 some 60 percent of the American public favored handgun bans, according to Gallup, whereas today 73 percent oppose such bans and only 26 percent want bans on handguns." From Forbes, 8/2012

Oh, I think it's a completely lost cause in the US. No matter how much I think guns suck, it doesn't matter (I mean, even if I was American). The gun freaks and the NRA and the red necks in the government who have no business being there in the first place have a strangle hold on the issue.

Obviously, you can't or shouldn't outlaw ALL guns. But there are some available to the general public that shouldn't be, and far too few safeguards in place to ensure they do not belong in the hands of the mentally ill and others who should not have them.

The pro-gun lobby has and will block any effort to accomplish even that.

Until we live in a society where we no longer consider 20 massacred first-graders to be collateral damage, it will always be that way.

october22 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Oh, I think it's a completely lost cause in the US. No matter how much I think guns suck, it doesn't matter (I mean, even if I was American). The gun freaks and the NRA and the red necks in the government who have no business being there in the first place have a strangle hold on the issue.

Sorry to say I disagree, love. I'm not a gun freak, an NRA member or a red neck and I don't ever plan on owning a gun.

That said, I'm proud of the second amendment and I think it's insane to support the removal of rights of a people by a federal government.

There are a lot of ins and outs on this one so I don't want to get too into it. I just wanted to post because there are a lot of people like me who don't fit into any of the categories you mentioned and it's way too easy to say "all gun rights supporters are nuts" or however you want to put it. It's much more complicated than that.

I think that a population demanding that a federal government disarm them is what's truly nuts.

No no, I'm not expressing myself well at all. I don't think that gun rights supporters are nuts (would the world be a better place without guns in it? Yes! But I understand reality). I think that people who think that 1) their rights shouldn't be restricted at all are stupid (I believe in limited rights when it comes to guns... as it is, it's easier to get a gun than it is a car), and 2) it's a good idea to own guns just because or for fun or because the boogie man is coming to get them, suck. Just because people CAN own guns it doesn't mean they should. I'm a realist about it. But I don't like guns, and also think that the second amendment is in desperate need of a face lift to suit the times.

It_Wasnt_My_Surface wrote:

CitizenRick wrote:

-- Say's the future irresponsible gun owner.

Who are you gonna shoot dude? You watch too many Marky Mark movies. Whatever. Saddle up cowboy.

Please don't bring Marky Mark into this argument. He is a national treasure.

Hahahahaha!

This thread is still going?

This topic is like abortion, gay marriage and obamacare, you're either "for it" or "against it."

Lock this thread mods it's only going to get worse...