ANY OTHER COUNTRIES DO ANYTHING??

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Bosnia?
Kosovo?

I guess we only help countries that have oil.

you kidding right? you dont have a clue whats going on in the area..what UN does there and which countries has troops in the area..i had 2 relatives are at Greek Army serving there till recently..
im amased you guys think only USA "help others on the planet..or be in peace forces,or sent food to poor countries..
i guess,alot never travel anywhere or watch-read anything different than American news..

I have no clue? How much money, and troops have the NATO and the United States given. I gave about 7 months of my life there. When you go back to the late 90's and early 2000s the United States and UK were the biggest contributors. Greece has about 118 trrops there they peeked at about 1000. The US have about 775 and peaked at about 7000. Look I am not saying no other country helps, but to say the United States only backs wars is fucking insane.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

yeah..greece first of all gave the world maths..lets put them down with numbers
Greece is A 10 million country USA 320 millions..32 times more...
Greece sent 118 trrops..usa 775..is like what 7 times more..??
now do the maths....lets put the analogy..
usa should sent 118 x 32 times = 3776 and not only 775
or if 775 usa sent Grecce should sent 32 times less manpower,and its 24 men and not 118..

you talked about 7000 total usa sent there..this number 7000 is the 50% of the men and women serve the whole Greek Airforce..
of course we cant sent the half of Greek Airforce manpower to a peace force out of our country..

you can just throw number to show us usa sent more..cos its not ..Bigger country sent more ..its logic..
but with the analogy of the population each country has,be sure Greece sent more troops at kosovo than usa.
and be sure,we dont feel brave or brag or any kind of special that we helped another counbtry..is what countries should do to eachother...
no need to mention,our troops went there,didnt get any extra money as they promised them..they fool them in the end..

and another thing..you wear usa uniform ..now tell me..with which uniform you will fell safer wearing it?Greek or usa military uniform??..which uniform worldwide is hated the most??
you know the answer..cos u know very well that usa is the number one country in the world behind most of the wars..
and this words coming from me,that i like usa!!but that doesnt mean im blind and cant see whats goin on..

and can u please tell me where the fuck is this super cool mother teresa country called usa to save cyprus when turkey attack and burn alive anyone speak greek at the island..??
ill answer u
Cyprus has oranges and bananas..who the fuck will care for them??no one..
middle east???with the oil??..lets "save " them all..
in the name of God ,peace and freedom..
im 22 serving Greek Airforce..i know shit and classified ones..and especially in Balkans..
its funny..usa has enemies those "muslism..those "terrorist" and at Balkans all muslism countries ,you know who is helping them??who gives them money and guns??
your country..you know why??
so Russia get cutted from their oil and natural gas business at south europe..
its all about the power sourses,about the money..no one is saint and want to save other countries..

wow. just wow. :clap:

nice arguing going on

i really think some of us here are a bit .............. well


yeah

intersting developments here http://www.independent.ie/world-news/mi ... 51938.html

satansbed wrote:

intersting developments here http://www.independent.ie/world-news/mi ... 51938.html

i was wondering if this lead us to WW3 whos fault will be?
Assad??..but i just rememeber..yeah..
History is Written By the Winners..so they can write what ever the fuck they want..

dimitrispearljam wrote:

yeah..greece first of all gave the world maths..lets put them down with numbers
Greece is A 10 million country USA 320 millions..32 times more...
Greece sent 118 trrops..usa 775..is like what 7 times more..??
now do the maths....lets put the analogy..
usa should sent 118 x 32 times = 3776 and not only 775
or if 775 usa sent Grecce should sent 32 times less manpower,and its 24 men and not 118..

you talked about 7000 total usa sent there..this number 7000 is the 50% of the men and women serve the whole Greek Airforce..
of course we cant sent the half of Greek Airforce manpower to a peace force out of our country..

you can just throw number to show us usa sent more..cos its not ..Bigger country sent more ..its logic..
but with the analogy of the population each country has,be sure Greece sent more troops at kosovo than usa.
and be sure,we dont feel brave or brag or any kind of special that we helped another counbtry..is what countries should do to eachother...
no need to mention,our troops went there,didnt get any extra money as they promised them..they fool them in the end..

and another thing..you wear usa uniform ..now tell me..with which uniform you will fell safer wearing it?Greek or usa military uniform??..which uniform worldwide is hated the most??
you know the answer..cos u know very well that usa is the number one country in the world behind most of the wars..
and this words coming from me,that i like usa!!but that doesnt mean im blind and cant see whats goin on..

and can u please tell me where the fuck is this super cool mother teresa country called usa to save cyprus when turkey attack and burn alive anyone speak greek at the island..??
ill answer u
Cyprus has oranges and bananas..who the fuck will care for them??no one..
middle east???with the oil??..lets "save " them all..
in the name of God ,peace and freedom..
im 22 serving Greek Airforce..i know shit and classified ones..and especially in Balkans..
its funny..usa has enemies those "muslism..those "terrorist" and at Balkans all muslism countries ,you know who is helping them??who gives them money and guns??
your country..you know why??
so Russia get cutted from their oil and natural gas business at south europe..
its all about the power sourses,about the money..no one is saint and want to save other countries..

Dimi...

I just read this.

Thanks.

Byrnzie wrote:

lcusick wrote:

My daughter studied International Relations in college. Her dream all through high school and college was to go to the Peace Corp in Africa and help educate the people about AIDS. It is a long process (2 years) to get accepted into the Peace Corp. She was accepted and at 22 years old got on a plane to Zambia, Africa. Guess what? She was not welcomed there!!! A very long story but after 6 months she came home. It took a very long time for her to recover from that. She was very idealistic and wanted to make a difference. Now she is a special education teacher and is making a difference in her own country helping children. She thinks the Peace Corp went about this education to the villages in Zambia the wrong way. Americans did not understand their culture and did not understand that these people did not want to be told what to do.

How was she not accepted? What happened? I thought the Peace Corps had a pretty good success rate, and established, workable programs, around the World? Though I read recently that most Peace Corps volunteers feel that they got more out the experience than they gave.

I am not putting down the Peace Corp. They have done good in some countries. However, there is plenty about the Peace Corp that is not publicized. They had never been in Zambia before. The 22 volunteers that my daughter was with were the first to ever enter that country. After 2 weeks of training, they placed them with host families for two weeks and then off to their assignment. My daughter was placed in an extremely remote village. Hours away from the main city, yet she was told to attend meetings once a month in the main city. She is given a bike to ride. When asked how to get to these meetings without any real form of transportation, she was told to hitch hike, but at the same time told that hitch hiking was against the Peace Corp rules. She is like well this does not make sense. Then as she starts to train the villagers about AIDS, it was made perfectly clear to her by the men in the village to stay out of their business. The men did not want to be told to wear condoms by some (I do not mean to sound racist here at all- so do not take this wrong). This is what she was told. She was told we do not want some young white women to tell us how to have sex. As time went on, she decided to let go of the subject for a while. She decided to back off and just assimilate herself into the village. She decided to help them garden, learn to be more self- sufficient. That was received better. She realized maybe I just need to get them to trust me first etc. As time went on, the women and children were friendly, but never the men. As she tried to get to the main city in Zambia, she was nearly raped and then she realized- get me the hell out of here!!! Many women volunteers in the Peace Corp are raped and the Peace Corp covers it up all the time. OF course when they are selling the Peace Corp, you do not hear about this. Many meetings you go to- give the parents a handbook of what to do when your child calls home and says- I want out, to try to talk them into staying etc. And they advertise they are such a reputible organization. My daughter will tell you, that her training did not prepare her for the reception she received in her village. It was perfectly clear to her, she was not welcome. In those remote villages, the men are in charge. That is their culture. So my point was, Americans cannot always make things right. Americans need to understand other cultures and not be so judgemental towards other cultures that are different. Ofcourse, I want AIDS to be lessened all over the world, but you cannot just go into a country with their own values and culture and think that Americans living in a country for four weeks are ready to go out to remote villages and touch on such a sensitive subject. My daughter is a very sweet young lady, so I am sure she was only trying to educate about the spread of AIDS. Her minor was public health, so she was also trying to educate the woman about more sanitary ways to prepare food. They simply were not ready to receive this info. So other cultures may look at Americans as budinskies. My brother in law was in Jamaica with the Peace Corp for two years and it was extremely positive. So obviously your experience depends on were you are and how long the Peace Corp has been in that country.

polaris_x wrote:

lcusick wrote:

I am not putting down the Peace Corp. They have done good in some countries. However, there is plenty about the Peace Corp that is not publicized. They had never been in Zambia before. The 22 volunteers that my daughter was with were the first to ever enter that country. After 2 weeks of training, they placed them with host families for two weeks and then off to their assignment. My daughter was placed in an extremely remote village. Hours away from the main city, yet she was told to attend meetings once a month in the main city. She is given a bike to ride. When asked how to get to these meetings without any real form of transportation, she was told to hitch hike, but at the same time told that hitch hiking was against the Peace Corp rules. She is like well this does not make sense. Then as she starts to train the villagers about AIDS, it was made perfectly clear to her by the men in the village to stay out of their business. The men did not want to be told to wear condoms by some (I do not mean to sound racist here at all- so do not take this wrong). This is what she was told. She was told we do not want some young white women to tell us how to have sex. As time went on, she decided to let go of the subject for a while. She decided to back off and just assimilate herself into the village. She decided to help them garden, learn to be more self- sufficient. That was received better. She realized maybe I just need to get them to trust me first etc. As time went on, the women and children were friendly, but never the men. As she tried to get to the main city in Zambia, she was nearly raped and then she realized- get me the hell out of here!!! Many women volunteers in the Peace Corp are raped and the Peace Corp covers it up all the time. OF course when they are selling the Peace Corp, you do not hear about this. Many meetings you go to- give the parents a handbook of what to do when your child calls home and says- I want out, to try to talk them into staying etc. And they advertise they are such a reputible organization. My daughter will tell you, that her training did not prepare her for the reception she received in her village. It was perfectly clear to her, she was not welcome. In those remote villages, the men are in charge. That is their culture. So my point was, Americans cannot always make things right. Americans need to understand other cultures and not be so judgemental towards other cultures that are different. Ofcourse, I want AIDS to be lessened all over the world, but you cannot just go into a country with their own values and culture and think that Americans living in a country for four weeks are ready to go out to remote villages and touch on such a sensitive subject. My daughter is a very sweet young lady, so I am sure she was only trying to educate about the spread of AIDS. Her minor was public health, so she was also trying to educate the woman about more sanitary ways to prepare food. They simply were not ready to receive this info. So other cultures may look at Americans as budinskies. My brother in law was in Jamaica with the Peace Corp for two years and it was extremely positive. So obviously your experience depends on were you are and how long the Peace Corp has been in that country.

this is pretty much the US military ... send undertrained troops into a place they are not welcome based on a pretense of altruism ... prepare to sacrifice them and in their time of need abandon them ... at least your daughter was allowed to go home ... they label you a traitor and put you in jail if you're in the military ...

Undertrained? How are US miitary personnel undertrained?

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Undertrained? How are US miitary personnel undertrained?

there is absolutely no way to prepare anyone, ANYONE, for the situation they are being immersed into. no amount of training will do that.