US govt secretly collecting data on millions of Verizon user

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    I am upset that he is a liar ..I don't like liars .....if this came out during Bush I would be upset also....and I did not agree with Roberts then and I do not agree with him on Obamacare either..
    ...
    Here.. this is exactly what I'm talking about:
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    Come on... i know you know who this person is... I know you watch FOX News.
    This is the shit I'm talking about. Only being up in arms because your politician isn't in office.
    The arguements would be completely different... there would not be a big deal about Benghazi and this NSA Data Mining thing would be getting defended as 'Keeping America Safe'.
    This is the shit i'm talking about.
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  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    Cosmo wrote:
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    aw... mitt's little brother... so cute...
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Funny that this cocksucker claims that spying on American citizens could have prevented 9/11 considering the intelligence services and government were fully aware of Al Queada's plans to hijack civilian aircraft prior to 9/11, and were in possession of a memo dated August 6, 2001, entitled 'Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US' (Washington Post staff writers Walter Pincus and Dan Eggen wrote that "The classified briefing delivered to President Bush five weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks featured information about ongoing al Qaeda activities within the United States, including signs of a terror support network, indications of hijacking preparations and plans for domestic attacks using explosives, according to sources who have seen the document and a review of official accounts and media reports over the past two years.") http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/3/37/Whitehouse.pdf - that detailed the terrorists plans in minute detail, yet they failed to do a single fucking thing with this information. And now he's using the fact that the 9/11 attacks went ahead as an excuse to create a mass surveillance state in breach of the constitution.

    America, the land of the free! :lol:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... -11-boston

    FBI chief Mueller says spy tactics could have stopped 9/11 attacks

    Robert Mueller dismisses congressional concerns and vows to take action against NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden

    Dan Roberts in Washington
    The Guardian, Thursday 13 June 2013



    The FBI has shrugged off growing congressional anxiety over its surveillance of US citizens, claiming such programs could have foiled the 9-11 terrorist attacks and would prevent "another Boston".

    The FBI director, Robert Mueller, also revealed that US authorities would be taking action against whistleblower Edward Snowden for revealing the extent of its activities, confirming that the FBI and department of justice were taking "all necessary steps to hold the person responsible".

    But Mueller's testimony before the House judicial oversight committee brought angry responses from many congressmen, who questioned whether such surveillance was lawful and demanded to know why it had failed to prevent the Boston bombing if it were so effective...
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Do you really find it necessary for someone to prove that China monitors phone calls? We know that they restrict and monitor internet activity on an extreme level, so phone monitoring or not, the point is that China not only monitors, but also censors, yet you jump.down another country's throat for it while having a history of defending China in comparison. However, your point about China not declaring itself a democracy is well taken.... On the other hand, so what? China is an international player, and does try to pretend it's more free than it actually is (although does a poor job of it). Still kind of comes off as somewhat hypocritical.

    You still haven't answered my question.

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  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Probably a dumb question but.....If all the NSA is doing is collecting numbers and times, as some here have claimed, without looking at the actual content of phone, data, emails, then when do they decide to actually look at the content of calls and emails? Is it based strictly on known phone numbers of 'terrorists' or other people of interest? Is it 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon before they decide whose information to monitor more closely? Who's to say which numbers warrant a closer inspection of detailed data?
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    riotgrl wrote:
    Probably a dumb question but.....If all the NSA is doing is collecting numbers and times, as some here have claimed, without looking at the actual content of phone, data, emails, then when do they decide to actually look at the content of calls and emails? Is it based strictly on known phone numbers of 'terrorists' or other people of interest? Is it 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon before they decide whose information to monitor more closely? Who's to say which numbers warrant a closer inspection of detailed data?
    I'm sure that have some pretty powerful algorithms that look for trends. I would not be surprised if they are running programs that "listen" to calls for certain keywords as well.
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  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Jason P wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    Probably a dumb question but.....If all the NSA is doing is collecting numbers and times, as some here have claimed, without looking at the actual content of phone, data, emails, then when do they decide to actually look at the content of calls and emails? Is it based strictly on known phone numbers of 'terrorists' or other people of interest? Is it 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon before they decide whose information to monitor more closely? Who's to say which numbers warrant a closer inspection of detailed data?
    I'm sure that have some pretty powerful algorithms that look for trends. I would not be surprised if they are running programs that "listen" to calls for certain keywords as well.

    That's what I figured. Still a form of 'listening' and still borderline unconstitutional IMO. So if I randomly throw out words that are triggers they could conceivably put me on their list of people they need to scrutinize more closely. Wonder how many of us use those words and are being listened to?
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I am upset that he is a liar ..I don't like liars .....if this came out during Bush I would be upset also....and I did not agree with Roberts then and I do not agree with him on Obamacare either..
    ...
    Here.. this is exactly what I'm talking about:
    996172_533339760056931_1072473379_n.jpg
    ...
    Come on... i know you know who this person is... I know you watch FOX News.
    This is the shit I'm talking about. Only being up in arms because your politician isn't in office.
    The arguements would be completely different... there would not be a big deal about Benghazi and this NSA Data Mining thing would be getting defended as 'Keeping America Safe'.
    This is the shit i'm talking about.
    sean hannity is one dude i'd love to slap a couple times. every single thing he stands for is shit i cannot stand. his smug ass smirky face & comments drive me up a wall
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    quite frequently when having a conservation on the phone, some of my people & i say into the phone, the cia or fbi are listening in. "is that you, cia/fbi?" "you guys are dicks"
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,439
    riotgrl wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    Probably a dumb question but.....If all the NSA is doing is collecting numbers and times, as some here have claimed, without looking at the actual content of phone, data, emails, then when do they decide to actually look at the content of calls and emails? Is it based strictly on known phone numbers of 'terrorists' or other people of interest? Is it 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon before they decide whose information to monitor more closely? Who's to say which numbers warrant a closer inspection of detailed data?
    I'm sure that have some pretty powerful algorithms that look for trends. I would not be surprised if they are running programs that "listen" to calls for certain keywords as well.

    That's what I figured. Still a form of 'listening' and still borderline unconstitutional IMO. So if I randomly throw out words that are triggers they could conceivably put me on their list of people they need to scrutinize more closely. Wonder how many of us use those words and are being listened to?
    not borderline, actually unconstitutional.
    1. FISA court is for INTERNATIONAL not domestic .
    2. Clear violation of 4th amendment. I for one feel it is NOT reasonable to seize MY data in the off chance later that they may need it, WHEN in fact I am not suspected of anything much less something like terrorism.



    those that actually believe what the professional liars are saying now about data collection ONLY? , well I got some water front property in Fla for sale......
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I am upset that he is a liar ..I don't like liars .....if this came out during Bush I would be upset also....and I did not agree with Roberts then and I do not agree with him on Obamacare either..
    ...
    Here.. this is exactly what I'm talking about:
    996172_533339760056931_1072473379_n.jpg
    ...
    Come on... i know you know who this person is... I know you watch FOX News.
    This is the shit I'm talking about. Only being up in arms because your politician isn't in office.
    The arguements would be completely different... there would not be a big deal about Benghazi and this NSA Data Mining thing would be getting defended as 'Keeping America Safe'.
    This is the shit i'm talking about.

    To bad you refuse to understand that this has nothing to do with Hannity, Fox News (which I rarely watch). I do like 5 at 5 sometimes.

    If you just look at the people Obama associated with you would know he hates everything America is about and wants to change it to a socialist paradise. For the ones that stand behind this fake they have to be either ignorant or socialist lovers them selves. I believe he is using this data mill to blackmail congress, judges and anyone that gets in his way. Notice how anyone that could give information about Benghazi are retired, resigned or promoted to positions that would keep them from testifying Why is Obama never knows what is going on until the News reports on it....shouldn't he be doing his job and make it his business on what is going on in his administration? The guy has excuse after excuse and claims to know nothing about anything. We know Rice was sent out to lie question is why? If you have to lie about things then something is not on the up and up.

    Now if it is okay to collect peoples DNA (creepy), and keep taps on Americans private lives how about we properly have this guy vetted. Why the hell is his whole life sealed? Where is his family? No one at the Collage he went to ever saw him......isn't this a little creepy to anyone?
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Jason P wrote:
    I'm sure that have some pretty powerful algorithms that look for trends. I would not be surprised if they are running programs that "listen" to calls for certain keywords as well.

    Apparently the revelations so far are just the tip of the iceberg. Expect more to come over the coming days.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... anda-prism
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Should be interesting to see how heads of State respond to this one:



    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/1 ... 20-summits

    GCHQ intercepted foreign politicians' communications at G20 summits

    Exclusive: phones were monitored and fake internet cafes set up to gather information from allies in London in 2009

    Ewen MacAskill, Nick Davies, Nick Hopkins, Julian Borger and James Ball
    The Guardian, Sunday 16 June 2013


    Foreign politicians and officials who took part in two G20 summit meetings in London in 2009 had their computers monitored and their phone calls intercepted on the instructions of their British government hosts, according to documents seen by the Guardian. Some delegates were tricked into using internet cafes which had been set up by British intelligence agencies to read their email traffic.

    The revelation comes as Britain prepares to host another summit on Monday – for the G8 nations, all of whom attended the 2009 meetings which were the object of the systematic spying. It is likely to lead to some tension among visiting delegates who will want the prime minister to explain whether they were targets in 2009 and whether the exercise is to be repeated this week.

    The disclosure raises new questions about the boundaries of surveillance by GCHQ and its American sister organisation, the National Security Agency, whose access to phone records and internet data has been defended as necessary in the fight against terrorism and serious crime. The G20 spying appears to have been organised for the more mundane purpose of securing an advantage in meetings. Named targets include long-standing allies such as South Africa and Turkey.

    There have often been rumours of this kind of espionage at international conferences, but it is highly unusual for hard evidence to confirm it and spell out the detail. The evidence is contained in documents – classified as top secret – which were uncovered by the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and seen by the Guardian. They reveal that during G20 meetings in April and September 2009 GCHQ used what one document calls "ground-breaking intelligence capabilities" to intercept the communications of visiting delegations.

    This included:

    • Setting up internet cafes where they used an email interception programme and key-logging software to spy on delegates' use of computers;

    • Penetrating the security on delegates' BlackBerrys to monitor their email messages and phone calls;

    • Supplying 45 analysts with a live round-the-clock summary of who was phoning who at the summit;

    • Targeting the Turkish finance minister and possibly 15 others in his party;

    • Receiving reports from an NSA attempt to eavesdrop on the Russian leader, Dmitry Medvedev, as his phone calls passed through satellite links to Moscow.

    The documents suggest that the operation was sanctioned in principle at a senior level in the government of the then prime minister, Gordon Brown, and that intelligence, including briefings for visiting delegates, was passed to British ministers...
  • Jason P
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  • 81
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    anybody suprised by this should be classified as a fool.

    that said...

    just fuckin tell us you are doing this shit. stop being so secretive about every little thing.
    81 is now off the air

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... 25b2ebf321

    "...it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school."
    - Edward Snowden
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,422
    aerial wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I am upset that he is a liar ..I don't like liars .....if this came out during Bush I would be upset also....and I did not agree with Roberts then and I do not agree with him on Obamacare either..
    ...
    Here.. this is exactly what I'm talking about:
    996172_533339760056931_1072473379_n.jpg
    ...
    Come on... i know you know who this person is... I know you watch FOX News.
    This is the shit I'm talking about. Only being up in arms because your politician isn't in office.
    The arguements would be completely different... there would not be a big deal about Benghazi and this NSA Data Mining thing would be getting defended as 'Keeping America Safe'.
    This is the shit i'm talking about.

    To bad you refuse to understand that this has nothing to do with Hannity, Fox News (which I rarely watch). I do like 5 at 5 sometimes.

    If you just look at the people Obama associated with you would know he hates everything America is about and wants to change it to a socialist paradise. For the ones that stand behind this fake they have to be either ignorant or socialist lovers them selves. I believe he is using this data mill to blackmail congress, judges and anyone that gets in his way. Notice how anyone that could give information about Benghazi are retired, resigned or promoted to positions that would keep them from testifying Why is Obama never knows what is going on until the News reports on it....shouldn't he be doing his job and make it his business on what is going on in his administration? The guy has excuse after excuse and claims to know nothing about anything. We know Rice was sent out to lie question is why? If you have to lie about things then something is not on the up and up.

    Now if it is okay to collect peoples DNA (creepy), and keep taps on Americans private lives how about we properly have this guy vetted. Why the hell is his whole life sealed? Where is his family? No one at the Collage he went to ever saw him......isn't this a little creepy to anyone?

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    To bad you refuse to understand that this has nothing to do with Hannity, Fox News (which I rarely watch). I do like 5 at 5 sometimes.

    If you just look at the people Obama associated with you would know he hates everything America is about and wants to change it to a socialist paradise. For the ones that stand behind this fake they have to be either ignorant or socialist lovers them selves. I believe he is using this data mill to blackmail congress, judges and anyone that gets in his way. Notice how anyone that could give information about Benghazi are retired, resigned or promoted to positions that would keep them from testifying Why is Obama never knows what is going on until the News reports on it....shouldn't he be doing his job and make it his business on what is going on in his administration? The guy has excuse after excuse and claims to know nothing about anything. We know Rice was sent out to lie question is why? If you have to lie about things then something is not on the up and up.

    Now if it is okay to collect peoples DNA (creepy), and keep taps on Americans private lives how about we properly have this guy vetted. Why the hell is his whole life sealed? Where is his family? No one at the Collage he went to ever saw him......isn't this a little creepy to anyone?
    ...
    Aerial...
    The point I'm making is this...
    WHY was it okay for the SAME data gathering operations to go on in 2006?
    ...
    Also, all of your talking points above... they could all be taken right off of the script of one of Sean Hannity's television shows.
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  • grooveme
    grooveme Posts: 353
    ofthegirl99 wrote:
    RustyShackelford wrote:
    It sickens me to read that people don't care if their government does this to them.
    I could care less if the government does this. I have nothing to hide, if they want to snoop at my dirty text messages to my wife or my calls to mom and pop across the country so be it. Sure the tax dollars could be better spent on my kids schools and the streets in my city, but really I have more important things to worry about during my day.......its called life.

    The problem with this is that the government ostensibly is using this to track suspected terrorists, but there is nothing to prevent them from using it against the political oppostion. Hopefully we have learned from the IRS scandal that the government cannot be expected to use its authority in a nonpartisan way, and that those in power can be expected sometimes to abuse that power against their foes.

    This is not a partisan issue. this is government overreach and it started with the Bush administration. I am disturbed by the apathy of so many towards this
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Re: The highlighted part - Oh the Irony!


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... n-us-china


    Snowden spy row grows as US is accused of hacking China

    Whistleblower charged with espionage reportedly claims US authorities accessed millions of private text messages in China


    Toby Helm, Daniel Boffey and Nick Hopkins
    The Observer, Saturday 22 June 2013

    '...The 30-year-old intelligence analyst has over the past three weeks leaked a series of documents to the Guardian revealing how US and UK secret services gain access to huge amounts of phone and internet data, raising serious questions about privacy in the internet age.

    On Friday, based on documents from Snowden, the Guardian reported that Britain's spy agency GCHQ has secretly gained access to the network of cables carrying the world's phone calls and internet traffic, without the authorities having made this known to the public. It was also reported that GCHQ is processing vast streams of sensitive information which it is sharing with its US partner, the National Security Agency.

    On Saturday the former British foreign secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind, who now chairs the intelligence and security committee, said the committee would launch an investigation into the latest revelations. The committee will receive an official report from GCHQ about the story within days and will then decide whether to call witnesses to give oral evidence. If it is then thought necessary, the committee can require GCHQ to submit relevant data.

    Within hours of news breaking that the US had filed charges against Snowden, the South China Morning Post reported that the whistleblower had handed over a series of documents to the paper detailing how the US had targeted Chinese phone companies as part of a widespread attempt to get its hands on a mass of data.

    Text messaging is the most popular form of communication in mainland China where more than 900bn SMS messages were exchanged in 2012.Snowden reportedly told the paper: "The NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data."

    The paper said Snowden had also passed on information detailing NSA attacks on China's prestigious Tsinghua University, the hub of a major digital network from which data on millions of Chinese citizens could be harvested.

    As Snowden made his latest disclosures, the US issued an extradition request to Hong Kong and piled pressure on the territory to respond swiftly. "If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official said.

    Snowden appeared to be gaining support from politicians in Hong Kong who said China should support him against any extradition application from the US, which on Friday charged him under its Espionage Act. One legislator, Leung Kwok-hung, said Beijing should issue instructions to protect Snowden from extradition before his case was dragged through the courts. Leung urged the Hong Kong people to "take to the streets to protect Snowden". Another politician, Cyd Ho, vice-chairwoman of the pro-democracy Labour party, said China "should now make its stance clear to the Hong Kong SAR [Special Administrative Region] government" before the case goes before a court...'

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