Multiple People dead in Santa Monica Shooting

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    hedonist wrote:
    Fuck. Don't we have other Muslim threads, gun threads, get-your-argument-on threads?

    This exactly.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,995
    Godfather. wrote:
    lovely....let's blame all the actions of twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.....
    after all it's not their fault the guns made them do it.
    typical, everybody needs to point the finger somewhere I guess it's human nature..

    Godfather.
    should i blame the most powerful lobby in washington for giving millions upon millions of dollars to politicians to insure that expanded background checks fail in the senate? you are fucking right i am gonna blame the nra. every time this happens, i am gonna post and blame the nra. they are DIRECTLY responsible for the proliferation of handguns in this country.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    lovely....let's blame all the actions of twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.....
    after all it's not their fault the guns made them do it.
    typical, everybody needs to point the finger somewhere I guess it's human nature..

    Godfather.
    should i blame the most powerful lobby in washington for giving millions upon millions of dollars to politicians to insure that expanded background checks fail in the senate? you are fucking right i am gonna blame the nra. every time this happens, i am gonna post and blame the nra. they are DIRECTLY responsible for the proliferation of handguns in this country.

    they are partly resposbile for the continued right to keep and bare arms,I agree with that.
    but as far as the other part of your post I have not seen anything that states that the NRA gave money to support phone or internet survaliance on the American public.

    Godfather.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,222
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    lovely....let's blame all the actions of twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.....
    after all it's not their fault the guns made them do it.
    typical, everybody needs to point the finger somewhere I guess it's human nature..

    Godfather.
    should i blame the most powerful lobby in washington for giving millions upon millions of dollars to politicians to insure that expanded background checks fail in the senate? you are fucking right i am gonna blame the nra. every time this happens, i am gonna post and blame the nra. they are DIRECTLY responsible for the proliferation of handguns in this country.

    they are partly resposbile for the continued right to keep and bare arms,I agree with that.
    but as far as the other part of your post I have not seen anything that states that the NRA gave money to support phone or internet survaliance on the American public.

    Godfather.

    C'mon GF you know damn well what Gimmie is pointing to the NRA gives millions millions of $$$ to your party wich in turn say we don't have gun problem ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jose......yea.. :D everybody's giving to somebody :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    lovely....let's blame all the actions of twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.....
    after all it's not their fault the guns made them do it.
    typical, everybody needs to point the finger somewhere I guess it's human nature..

    Godfather.
    should i blame the most powerful lobby in washington for giving millions upon millions of dollars to politicians to insure that expanded background checks fail in the senate? you are fucking right i am gonna blame the nra. every time this happens, i am gonna post and blame the nra. they are DIRECTLY responsible for the proliferation of handguns in this country.

    they are partly resposbile for the continued right to keep and bare arms,I agree with that.
    but as far as the other part of your post I have not seen anything that states that the NRA gave money to support phone or internet survaliance on the American public.

    Godfather.

    Universal background checks would ensure the right, able-minded people would have a gun. If you have no problem, then you have no worry (like the argument with the cell phone hackings: "They can listen to my calls, I have nothing to hide.")

    The universal background checks wouldn't harm our right to bear arms. It would stop those who shouldn't handle guns. If you believe THAT is wrong (because you don't want their rights taken, despite them being too ill to own a dangerous weapon), then you should go sit in a room full of mentally ill people with AR-15s and see how long til something happens.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    guitarplayer-it's hard for me to disagree with your statement about back ground checks, it would be fine if it stoped there,seems the anti gun folks just keep wanting to chip away at gun owners rights until they get what they want and that seems to be no guns at all so sad to say that even peope that agree with back ground checks feel they to have fight off any attempt to futher change gun laws just to try and keep what we have.
    everytime there is a mass shooting someone wants to ban guns ...like that would fix the problem with mental wackos.

    Godfather.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Godfather. wrote:
    guitarplayer-it's hard for me to disagree with your statement about back ground checks, it would be fine if it stoped there,seems the anti gun folks just keep wanting to chip away at gun owners rights until they get what they want and that seems to be no guns at all so sad to say that even peope that agree with back ground checks feel they to have fight off any attempt to futher change gun laws just to try and keep what we have.
    everytime there is a mass shooting someone wants to ban guns ...like that would fix the problem with mental wackos.

    Godfather.

    I don't know how many times we all have to say it: NO ONE WANTS TO COMPLETELY BAN GUNS.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    lovely....let's blame all the actions of twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.....
    after all it's not their fault the guns made them do it.
    typical, everybody needs to point the finger somewhere I guess it's human nature..

    Godfather.

    Your answer to fix the problems created by a few Muslims? Get rid of them.

    Your answer to fix the problems created by a few guns? Don't judge the good gun owners by the actions of a few twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.

    This is narcissism at its finest. That's all I have to say about that.

    owned.
    Gimli 1993
    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    guitarplayer-it's hard for me to disagree with your statement about back ground checks, it would be fine if it stoped there,seems the anti gun folks just keep wanting to chip away at gun owners rights until they get what they want and that seems to be no guns at all so sad to say that even peope that agree with back ground checks feel they to have fight off any attempt to futher change gun laws just to try and keep what we have.
    everytime there is a mass shooting someone wants to ban guns ...like that would fix the problem with mental wackos.

    Godfather.

    I don't know how many times we all have to say it: NO ONE WANTS TO COMPLETELY BAN GUNS.


    yea right, I'remember people on the amt saying as much.....this picture is bigger than the poeple and opinions here on the train..NO ONE WANTS TO COMPLETELY BAN GUNS....if you really believe that you need to get out more.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    lovely....let's blame all the actions of twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.....
    after all it's not their fault the guns made them do it.
    typical, everybody needs to point the finger somewhere I guess it's human nature..

    Godfather.

    Your answer to fix the problems created by a few Muslims? Get rid of them.

    Your answer to fix the problems created by a few guns? Don't judge the good gun owners by the actions of a few twisted A-holes on the NRA and guns.

    This is narcissism at its finest. That's all I have to say about that.

    owned.

    :lol: wake up.....

    Godfather.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Where does the Constitution say we have the right to own guns...specifically?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    know1 wrote:
    Where does the Constitution say we have the right to own guns...specifically?


    The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Such language has created considerable debate regarding the Amendment's intended scope. On the one hand, some believe that the Amendment's phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" creates an individual constitutional right for citizens of the United States. Under this "individual right theory," the United States Constitution restricts legislative bodies from prohibiting firearm possession, or at the very least, the Amendment renders prohibitory and restrictive regulation presumptively unconstitutional. On the other hand, some scholars point to the prefatory language "a well regulated Militia" to argue that the Framers intended only to restrict Congress from legislating away a state's right to self-defense. Scholars have come to call this theory "the collective rights theory." A collective rights theory of the Second Amendment asserts that citizens do not have an individual right to possess guns and that local, state, and federal legislative bodies therefore possess the authority to regulate firearms without implicating a constitutional right.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

    this is a interesting read check it out, you can see where the anti gun people get their leverage.

    Godfather.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    The collective vs. individual rights are an angle I hadn't considered.

    My point is that the constitution doesn't mention "guns". It says "arms".

    Therefore, I don't think people have a Constitutionally-granted right to specifically own guns.

    If anything, the government has violated our "right to keep and bear arms" when it banned ANY weapons...tanks, bombs, missiles, etc.

    If people want to support gun ownership by pointing at the Constitution, then they shouldn't ignore the fact that they already can't own most "arms".
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    know1 wrote:
    The collective vs. individual rights are an angle I hadn't considered.

    My point is that the constitution doesn't mention "guns". It says "arms".

    Therefore, I don't think people have a Constitutionally-granted right to specifically own guns.

    If anything, the government has violated our "right to keep and bear arms" when it banned ANY weapons...tanks, bombs, missiles, etc.

    If people want to support gun ownership by pointing at the Constitution, then they shouldn't ignore the fact that they already can't own most "arms".

    armerment=Guns ?

    Godfather.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Godfather. wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    The collective vs. individual rights are an angle I hadn't considered.

    My point is that the constitution doesn't mention "guns". It says "arms".

    Therefore, I don't think people have a Constitutionally-granted right to specifically own guns.

    If anything, the government has violated our "right to keep and bear arms" when it banned ANY weapons...tanks, bombs, missiles, etc.

    If people want to support gun ownership by pointing at the Constitution, then they shouldn't ignore the fact that they already can't own most "arms".

    armerment=Guns ?

    Godfather.

    Huh?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Godfather. wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    The collective vs. individual rights are an angle I hadn't considered.

    My point is that the constitution doesn't mention "guns". It says "arms".

    Therefore, I don't think people have a Constitutionally-granted right to specifically own guns.

    If anything, the government has violated our "right to keep and bear arms" when it banned ANY weapons...tanks, bombs, missiles, etc.

    If people want to support gun ownership by pointing at the Constitution, then they shouldn't ignore the fact that they already can't own most "arms".

    armerment=Guns ?

    Godfather.

    Arms also equals knives and swords and clubs. I guess since we can still own those, we have fulfilled our rights to own "arms".

    Again, the Constitution never specifically mentions guns so how can it be used to defend a so-called right to own them?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,726
    know1 wrote:
    The collective vs. individual rights are an angle I hadn't considered.

    My point is that the constitution doesn't mention "guns". It says "arms".

    Therefore, I don't think people have a Constitutionally-granted right to specifically own guns.

    If anything, the government has violated our "right to keep and bear arms" when it banned ANY weapons...tanks, bombs, missiles, etc.

    If people want to support gun ownership by pointing at the Constitution, then they shouldn't ignore the fact that they already can't own most "arms".
    very smart post...
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,420
    I find it odd and ironic that when the 2nd ammendment is used to defend against gun regulations, the first three words of the 2nd amendment are "A well regulated ..."

    :fp:
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    I find it odd and ironic that when the 2nd ammendment is used to defend against gun regulations, the first three words of the 2nd amendment are "A well regulated ..."

    :fp:
    Those two words mean...well, not a whole lot these days as applies to those who are fairly inept at doing much "well" at anything.

    As to this particular fellow who has fucked up who knows how many lives because (ah, whatever reason he had), I'm not sure the 2nd Am. even comes into play here.

    (assuming we're still talking about what HE did ;) )

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