Multiple People dead in Santa Monica Shooting

Godfather.

Guitar92player wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

4800 gun related deaths since Newtown today marks 6months since that horrible day and the congress has done zero about it ...way to go USA

ANAHEIM (CBSLA.com) — A 72-year-old woman fired a gun at a would-be home invasion robber over the weekend in an unincorporated area of Anaheim.

Jan Cooper said she was home with her 86-year-old husband, a decorated World War II veteran, in the 10000 block of Gilbert Street around 12:30 a.m. Sunday when she heard an intruder at her front door.

The suspect, however, couldn’t get through the locked door, so he attempted to enter through a sliding glass door at the back of the home. The grandmother, while on the phone with a 911 dispatcher, said that’s when she warned the prowler that she had a gun.

The man ignored her threats and the resident opened fire with her .357-magnum revolver. The bullet missed the man by mere inches.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/06/ ... hpt=ju_bn6

nuff said.
Godfather.

Actually, this means nothing. There were 4800 since December. Just because she had a gun does not mean anything. You can arm everyone in America, but no matter how skilled you are the surprise element still prevails. In your example she knew he was coming, but most gun deaths are gang and planned where you cannot see it coming.

when a statement says 4800 gun deaths that is most likely all gun deaths self defense and suiside as well.

Godfather.

dudeman

What makes you so sure that criminals will obey new gun laws when, by definition criminals don't obey laws? Do we need to make murder more illegal than it is already?

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

someone on here said "be carful of what you ask for" you might get it...so I'm asking what doors will be opened when the back ground checks get pushed thru ? how much of your/our information will be available to the police or any government agency in the name of back ground checks and how will affect our day to day lives and privicy, this could go further than your cell phone conversations.

Godfather.

What exactly are you worried about, Godfather? I'm aware of the privacy issues that has people in a tizzy right now... but even if someone, somewhere in a cubicle was listening to Godfather try and pull of a fantasy football deal over his cell phone... what could possibly come of this?

The conspiracists keep talking about the government, the agents, their police, and their army as if these people weren't Americans and instead they are some external force waiting to pounce on... something? I'm not saying I'm supporting access to the privacy of your homes... but I am saying that it's not likely they'll be monitoring your boring conversations about which beer tastes better a Heineken or a Corona. I'm pretty sure they wish to keep tabs on persons of interest and if that means a building doesn't get blown up as they do so... I'd trade that for someone, somewhere listening in on a conversation I might be having about Game of Thrones.

More stringent gun policies are long overdue. Stop opposing them because you are freaking out that there is something bigger coming down the pipeline.

dudeman

Are the gang-bangers responsible for the majority of gun deaths going to suddenly put down their guns once new legislation is passed? You know they want to be on the right side of the law. :roll: The truth is, the laws won't help. What we need is a culture that doesn't tolerate violent acts of any kind. That's a long way off. Humans need to evolve beyond violence and into universal respect for life and that won't happen in a courtroom.

Guitar92player wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

4800 gun related deaths since Newtown today marks 6months since that horrible day and the congress has done zero about it ...way to go USA

ANAHEIM (CBSLA.com) — A 72-year-old woman fired a gun at a would-be home invasion robber over the weekend in an unincorporated area of Anaheim.

Jan Cooper said she was home with her 86-year-old husband, a decorated World War II veteran, in the 10000 block of Gilbert Street around 12:30 a.m. Sunday when she heard an intruder at her front door.

The suspect, however, couldn’t get through the locked door, so he attempted to enter through a sliding glass door at the back of the home. The grandmother, while on the phone with a 911 dispatcher, said that’s when she warned the prowler that she had a gun.

The man ignored her threats and the resident opened fire with her .357-magnum revolver. The bullet missed the man by mere inches.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/06/ ... hpt=ju_bn6

nuff said.
Godfather.

Actually, this means nothing. There were 4800 since December. Just because she had a gun does not mean anything. You can arm everyone in America, but no matter how skilled you are the surprise element still prevails. In your example she knew he was coming, but most gun deaths are gang and planned where you cannot see it coming.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dudeman wrote:

What makes you so sure that criminals will obey new gun laws when, by definition criminals don't obey laws? Do we need to make murder more illegal than it is already?

These questions as well as the frustrations expressed regarding your economy's slow turnaround since Bush ran it into the ground have me wonder about the lack of 'big picture awareness' some Americans possess.

There's no immediate fix for your problem. You need to stop- or at a very minimum limit- the introduction of more assault rifles and handguns into your society. You need to limit the sale of ammunition to carded (approved) people. These would be two steps I can think of to begin to move your country towards a safer place.

Or you can continue with the status quo if you are happy with it.

dudeman

The "big picture" is that the violence won't stop until people stop wanting to commit violent acts. Simple as that. Until then, I don't find it unreasonable for individuals to arm themselves in order to protect themselves and their loved ones.

There seems to be some notion that just anyone can walk into a gun shop and buy a machine gun. That is not the case. "Assault weapons" are already illegal.

Also, please don't confuse me with some gun loving, right wing Republican.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

dudeman wrote:

What makes you so sure that criminals will obey new gun laws when, by definition criminals don't obey laws? Do we need to make murder more illegal than it is already?

These questions as well as the frustrations expressed regarding your economy's slow turnaround since Bush ran it into the ground have me wonder about the lack of 'big picture awareness' some Americans possess.

There's no immediate fix for your problem. You need to stop- or at a very minimum limit- the introduction of more assault rifles and handguns into your society. You need to limit the sale of ammunition to carded (approved) people. These would be two steps I can think of to begin to move your country towards a safer place.

Or you can continue with the status quo if you are happy with it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dudeman wrote:

The "big picture" is that the violence won't stop until people stop wanting to commit violent acts. Simple as that. Until then, I don't find it unreasonable for individuals to arm themselves in order to protect themselves and their loved ones.

There seems to be some notion that just anyone can walk into a gun shop and buy a machine gun. That is not the case. "Assault weapons" are already illegal.

Also, please don't confuse me with some gun loving, right wing Republican.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

These questions as well as the frustrations expressed regarding your economy's slow turnaround since Bush ran it into the ground have me wonder about the lack of 'big picture awareness' some Americans possess.

There's no immediate fix for your problem. You need to stop- or at a very minimum limit- the introduction of more assault rifles and handguns into your society. You need to limit the sale of ammunition to carded (approved) people. These would be two steps I can think of to begin to move your country towards a safer place.

Or you can continue with the status quo if you are happy with it.

Well...

Then let's hear how we're going to solve the big picture you speak of? Sounds great, but hardly practical dontcha think? Since the beginning of man... we have gone to great lengths to demonstrate our propensity to commit violent acts.

So... we can stick our head up our asses and speak about philosophy and such... or we can take measures to curb the amount of violence some of us can inflict on others.

If you are not a gun loving, right wing Republican, why talk like one?

And assault rifles are not illegal. You can go buy one at the Big 5 Sporting Goods store for fuks sakes.

Shawshank

Yes...tougher gun laws would definitely help. I mean, Chicago has THE TOUGHEST gun laws in the country, and their gun related violence is almost non-existent. Oh wait...this just in... :think: :think: ...nope never mind.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-16/news/chi-chicago-crime-shooting-gun-violence-marquette-park_1_lowest-homicide-totals-weekend-west-north-avenue

Jason P

Shawshank wrote:

Yes...tougher gun laws would definitely help. I mean, Chicago has THE TOUGHEST gun laws in the country, and their gun related violence is almost non-existent. Oh wait...this just in... :think: :think: ...nope never mind.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-16/news/chi-chicago-crime-shooting-gun-violence-marquette-park_1_lowest-homicide-totals-weekend-west-north-avenue

Chicago's gun laws are the equivalent of posting a "No Sharks" sign up in shark infested waters.

Shawshank

Jason P wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

Yes...tougher gun laws would definitely help. I mean, Chicago has THE TOUGHEST gun laws in the country, and their gun related violence is almost non-existent. Oh wait...this just in... :think: :think: ...nope never mind.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-16/news/chi-chicago-crime-shooting-gun-violence-marquette-park_1_lowest-homicide-totals-weekend-west-north-avenue

Chicago's gun laws are the equivalent of posting a "No Sharks" sign up in shark infested waters.

So are you saying criminals don't pay any mind to the laws? Shocking.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Shawshank wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

Yes...tougher gun laws would definitely help. I mean, Chicago has THE TOUGHEST gun laws in the country, and their gun related violence is almost non-existent. Oh wait...this just in... :think: :think: ...nope never mind.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-16/news/chi-chicago-crime-shooting-gun-violence-marquette-park_1_lowest-homicide-totals-weekend-west-north-avenue

Chicago's gun laws are the equivalent of posting a "No Sharks" sign up in shark infested waters.

So are you saying criminals don't pay any mind to the laws? Shocking.

He's saying sharks invade from surrounding waters.

Jason P

Shawshank wrote:

So are you saying criminals don't pay any mind to the laws? Shocking.

That's part of being a criminal. You don't follow laws.

I've also noticed their are not a lot of grenade launchers used in Chicago attacks. Why don't the criminals use grenade launchers instead of small arms? A grenade launcher would be much more effective.

They don't like to follow laws, so what is stopping them from using grenade launchers?

:think:

Godfather.

Jason P wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

So are you saying criminals don't pay any mind to the laws? Shocking.

That's part of being a criminal. You don't follow laws.

I've also noticed their are not a lot of grenade launchers used in Chicago attacks. Why don't the criminals use grenade launchers instead of small arms? A grenade launcher would be much more effective.

They don't like to follow laws, so what is stopping them from using grenade launchers?

:think:

When a Mexican SWAT team stopped a stolen Cadillac van in the border city of Piedras Negras, it was not a surprise when they were greeted by a tirade of bullets as the criminals blasted and ran. But after they kicked open the trunk, the officers realized they could have been victims of more catastrophic firepower. The gunmen had been in possession of an arsenal of weapons that included three Soviet-made antitank rockets complete with an RPG-7 shoulder-fired launcher. If the criminals had got a rocket off, they could easily have blown the SWAT vehicle to pieces. RPG-7s can also take out helicopters and were used in the Black Hawk Down episode in Somalia in 1993.



Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/10/25/mexico ... z2WURixN18

Godfather.

mickeyrat

http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06 ... 4-16-2013/

Ready for something truly terrifying?

John Zawahri, the 23-year-old Santa Monica spree killer, tried to buy a gun in 2011 but was denied by the Justice Department for unknown reasons. So Zawahri, who suffered from mental illness, circumvented that firewall by building his own AR-15 semi-automatic rifle using parts he bought from various sources around the country.

CBS News with Scott Pelley reported Friday that the sale of most gun parts online is not regulated, except for one critical component: the lower receiver, which holds the mechanical parts of the gun, such as the trigger. A background check is required to buy one, but Zawahri got around that by buying a partially-completed lower receiver and modifying it, something gun enthusiasts call 80-percent guns. The resulting gun, which fired .223-caliber ammunition, was untraceable.

Zawahri killed five and wounded four during his 13-minute shooting spree on June 7. Here is today’s report.

—Jennifer Mascia

Friday:

Dionni Branch, 3, was sitting on her grandmother’s Columbus, Ohio, porch Friday night when a stray bullet lodged just below her hairline. A 4-year-old boy was wounded when a bullet entered through a window in his north Wichita, Kan., home early Thursday. A 9-year-old girl was accidentally shot in the stomach by someone riding a BMX bicycle near her home in the Kingsbridge section of the Bronx, N.Y., Friday night. An 11-year-old boy was shot in the midsection and a 16-year-old boy was shot in the back during two shootings an hour apart late Friday and early Saturday that are believed to have stemmed from an argument over territory in south Monroe, La.

A 13-year-old girl was shot in the leg and wounded when a 13-year-old boy was handling a gun and it discharged in Chesterfield County, Va., Thursday. A woman was shot multiple times by her boyfriend and killed after an argument in Porter Ranch, Calif., Friday morning. Devonta Marquise Rayford, 17, a student at Stivers School for the Arts, was found dead of multiple gunshot wounds in a car in Trotwood, Ohio, Thursday. Benjamin D. Jackson, 24, was shot and killed at a Topeka, Kan., apartment Thursday afternoon. Two people were charged in the death of Antonio Booker, 27, who was shot and killed while attending an anti-violence vigil in Detroit, Mich., last weekend.

Laron McCoy was found shot dead inside an apartment in Midwest City, Okla., Thursday, and Santonio Johnson was shot and wounded. A man was shot in the chest and killed after an argument outside the Picante Sports Cantina in Fort Worth, Tex., early Friday. 20-year-old Dustin Daniel Pilkington was shot in the torso with a .25-caliber semi-automatic weapon near Bridwell Park in Wichita Falls, Tex., Thursday evening. A man was shot and critically injured near Central New Mexico Community College in Albuquerque, N.M., Thursday afternoon. A parolee shot two bystanders in the Lawndale neighborhood of Chicago, Ill., Thursday morning.

29-year-old Michael Payne was shot multiple times and killed in Buffalo, N.Y., Friday afternoon. A shooting in Blount County, Tenn., sent one person to the hospital Friday. 22-year-old Allen Parker III was shot three times and critically wounded at an intersection in Duquesne, Pa., late Friday afternoon. A 25-year-old man nicknamed “Big Mike” died on a Patterson, Calif., street Thursday night after someone shot him in the head in an episode of gang-related violence. 28-year-old Daniel Jolly was shot in the arm and wounded during a fight over a poker game in El Mirage, Ariz., Friday morning. A man was shot and killed by his 20-year-old friend in Glendale, Ariz., late Wednesday night.

Nicole Luke, 34, her 15-year-old daughter and her 14-year-old twin daughters were shot and critically wounded by Luke’s boyfriend at an apartment complex in Nashville, Tenn., Friday afternoon. One person is fighting to survive after being shot Friday afternoon in Kansas City, Mo. Four people were injured in a shooting in High Point, N.C., Friday night. A man sustained a gunshot wound to the arm in Milwaukee, Wis., Thursday night. Someone was shot in the stomach on Milwaukee’s north side Friday morning. A woman was shot and killed on the front lawn of a home by her boyfriend, who then engaged in a five-hour standoff with police in Northridge, Calif., early Friday.

A 20-year-old man suffered multiple gunshot wounds when someone got out of a luxury sedan and began shooting at him in a north Stockton, Calif., neighborhood Thursday afternoon. A shooting left a 24-year-old man critically wounded in North Philadelphia, Pa., Friday morning. A 31-year-old man was found lying dead with a gunshot wound to the head in a North Philadelphia street Friday night. Tony Youngblood, 30, was shot during an armed robbery at an apartment in Okaloosa County, Fla., Thursday night. One person was shot after an argument escalated at a nightclub in Lake City, S.C., late Friday.

Carmen Denise Dean, 42, was shot while parked in her driveway and drove herself to the hospital in Valrico, Fla., early Friday. A 26-year-old man suffered a gunshot wound to his leg as he rode in the bed of a truck in Nikiski, Alaska, early Friday. Three people were injured in a shooting while stopped at an intersection in the Bayview District of San Francisco, Calif., Thursday evening. A 22-year-old man is in critical condition after being shot in the chest near the Charles Village area of Baltimore, Md., early Friday. A 37-year-old man was shot multiple times as he ran along a Springfield, Mass., street looking for a place to hide early Friday.

Michale Shook, 63, was shot and killed by his daughter’s ex-husband in Fort Smith, Ark., Thursday. A woman was shot with a rifle by her husband at their home in Brooke County, W. Va., Friday evening, before he turned the gun on himself. Emily Hazelbaker, 18, was accidentally shot and killed by her father, Scott Merle Hazelbaker, at the Delaware Crossing Apartments in Ankeny, Iowa, Friday evening. Police are investigating a murder-suicide in northwest Las Vegas, Nev., Thursday. At least eight people were wounded, including three teenagers, in shootings across Chicago, Ill., overnight.

Joshua Floyd Council, 22, was shot and killed Friday night when someone in a vehicle opened fire into a crowd on a basketball court in Lumberton, N.C. Randal Ray Gallagher, 43, was found dead of what was initially reported as a self-inflicted gunshot wound but what police are now investigating as a homicide in Klamath County, Ore., Friday night. A man was wounded in a shooting at the Ashley Oaks Apartments in Charleston, S.C., Friday night. 49-year-old Scott Daniel McBride was shot and killed after an altercation in Carlisle County, Ky., Friday night. A man was shot in the stomach and wounded in a gang-related attack in the South Bay area of San Diego, Calif., Friday night. A man was shot in the face and stomach in Cathedral City, Calif., Thursday night.

Saturday:

A 30-minute shooting spree left two people dead and two critically injured south Omaha, Neb., Saturday afternoon. A man was shot and killed and two others were sent to the hospital, including a small child, after an argument between two people at a gas pump at an ARCO station in Sacramento, Calif., Saturday. A man was shot in the hand following a fight at a gas station on the northwest side of Grand Rapids, Mich., early Saturday. Edward Duckett, 18, was shot in the back, leg and hand during a gunfight in Chattanooga, Tenn., early Saturday. Spencer McPherson, 20, was shot in the back while he was sitting in his SUV in Chattanooga Saturday evening.

A 10-year-old was shot and wounded by a 15-year-old during a Juneteenth festival in Columbus, Ohio, Saturday night. Joshua Lapsley was shot in the arm in Huntington, W. Va., after two men opened fire and took off running just after midnight Saturday. A 19-year-old man was shot in the back and wounded in Wilmington, Del., early Saturday. A shooting at a restaurant and bar in the Bearden area of Knoxville, Tenn., sent two men to the hospital early Saturday. Shane Christopher Newman, 38, died and a 22-year-old man was injured after a shooting at a house in northwest Lincoln, Neb., early Saturday.

A woman was shot and wounded at the Mansion Night Club in McRae, Ga., after arguing with another woman. 17-year-old Shaquez Jackson and 18-year-old Davarea Sandifer were wounded when an unknown person opened fire at a Ramada Inn in Warner Robins, Ga., early Saturday. A 28-year-old man was shot in the upper back after an argument among a gathering of men in Inwood, Long Island, N.Y., early Saturday. A man was shot in the head and killed in northwest Baltimore, Md., Saturday evening. Two people were shot and wounded in the courtyard behind La Rumba, a bar in Knoxville, Tenn., early Saturday.

Esequiel Gloria drove himself to a gas station to get help after being wounded in a drive-by shooting in San Antonio, Tex., early Saturday. Steven Lacey White, 62, was shot in the chest and killed by his son, 40-year-old James Jason White, in Tyler, Tex., late Saturday. A 35-year-old man was shot at the entrance of at a south Springfield, Mo., convenience store early Saturday. A 24-year-old man was shot in the foot after an argument in Springfield, Mass., early Saturday. A man was shot in the foot during an altercation with a neighbor in Savannah, Ga., Saturday night.

Two men were hospitalized after an altercation led to a shooting at a west Chatham County, Ga., apartment complex Saturday afternoon. A 17-year-old boy was shot once in the back in Erie, Pa., late Saturday. A 22-year-old man was shot while standing on a porch in Syracuse, N.Y., early Saturday. Three people were shot and wounded at a home in Wilkinsburg, Pa., late Saturday. Inis Amigon, 44, was shot and killed and a 24-year-old woman and a 29-year-old man were wounded near El Molino Restaurant in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., overnight. Wayne Hebert, 45, was shot multiple times in the back and killed by his older brother, 51-year-old Michael Hebert, after an argument at the victim’s Baton Rouge, La., home early Saturday.

A woman shot and killed during a robbery at a flower store in Webster, Tex., Saturday evening. A man in his early 20s was shot several times and wounded in Mead Valley, Calif., early Saturday. 29-year-old Michael Moore was found shot to death in a car in Albuquerque, N.M., early Saturday. A man is in serious condition after being shot multiple times on the southeast side of Fort Wayne, Ind., early Saturday. A 22-year-old man was standing outside a house in Wichita, Kan., early Saturday when someone shot him in the elbow. Two men, both 23, were shot multiple times after a physical altercation near the beachfront promenade in Ventura, Calif., early Saturday.

A 14-year-old boy was shot in the chest and a 23-year-old woman was shot in the arm near the Mahoney Playground in the New Brighton section of Staten Island, N.Y., Saturday night. A shooting near a highway exit ramp in Forest Park, Ohio, sent two people to the hospital Saturday evening. Richard Evans, a father of three, was shot and killed during an attempted robbery at his eatery, Cosmic Pizza, in the Hartwell neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, Saturday evening. A man in his 20s was found behind a building in Roxbury, Mass., suffering from a life-threatening gunshot wound early Saturday.

A man in his 30s was pronounced dead at the scene of a shooting in Mattapan, Mass., Saturday afternoon. A man and woman were shot and dropped off on a front lawn more than two miles away in Miramar, Fla., early Saturday. A 40-year-old woman is in stable condition after being shot in the leg in Hartford, Conn., early Saturday. A 28-year-old man was injured following a targeted drive-by shooting in Pawtucket, R.I., Saturday afternoon. Three men were shot and wounded outside a downtown Anchorage, Alaska, nightclub after a verbal argument escalated early Saturday. A man was killed and three other people were wounded after a man fired nearly a dozen shots outside an after-hours club in southwest Houston, Tex., early Saturday.

A 23-year-old man was killed and two teenagers were injured after a shooting in Camden, N.J., Saturday evening. A shooting at an apartment in central Henrico County, Va., left a man dead Saturday evening. A man in his early 20s was shot and killed at the Gilpin Court housing project in Richmond, Va., early Saturday. Tiara Green, 19, was killed and two others were wounded in a drive-by shooting behind the Rowan Towers apartment complex in Trenton, N.J., late Saturday. A woman and a man were shot and wounded in Visalia, Calif., Saturday evening. A 18-year-old man was shot to death while attending a child’s party in Vallejo, Calif., late Saturday.

A man was shot twice while exiting a car outside a home in Jacksonville, Fla., late Saturday. A man in his early 30s was found shot to death on a San Bernardino, Calif., sidewalk early Saturday. A 75-year-old woman was shot and killed by her 76-year-old husband in their Cortlandt, N.Y., home following an argument early Saturday. A 21-year-old man was shot in the hand and wounded in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Duluth, Minn., late Saturday. A man in his 40s was found shot to death in his truck at the Ashmark Arms apartment complex in Fresno, Calif., Saturday night.

A 16-year-old boy and a 24-year-old man were shot and wounded while walking on Portland Avenue in Rochester, N.Y., late Saturday. A man was shot twice in the arm with a semi-automatic weapon in what police believe is a gang-related attack in Seaside, Calif., Saturday night.

Sunday:

A 35-year-old man walked into a Catholic church in Ogden, Utah, and shot his father-in-law in the back of the head during Sunday morning mass. A man accidentally shot and wounded his grandson in Lawrence County, Ala., Sunday morning. An 11-year-old boy was grazed by a bullet from a passing car while he was sleeping in his bed in Oakland, Calif., Sunday morning. Someone opened fire on a group of people outside a Providence, R.I., house just after midnight, killing a 12-year-old girl. The body of Mark V. Fisher, 48, was found at a Casper, Wyo., shooting range early Sunday with a single gunshot wound to the chest.

A man shot in both shoulders flagged down an ambulance on Interstate 4 in Orlando, Fla., Sunday afternoon. Frederick D. Watson, Jr., 20, was found shot to death between the passenger and driver seat of a vehicle at an intersection in West Toledo, Ohio, early Sunday. Two men, both 22, were killed and a 23-year-old man was seriously wounded in a shooting at a street corner in northwest Fort Worth, Tex., early Sunday. A 48-year-old woman was shot three times and critically wounded in the Kensington neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pa., Sunday afternoon. A 27-year-old man was shot twice in the chest and killed on a Philadelphia basketball court Sunday afternoon.

A 23-year-old woman was shot in the leg during a fight inside the Potawatomi Bingo Casino in Milwaukee, Wis., early Sunday. A man is in serious condition after being shot in a drive-by shooting in south St. Louis, Mo., early Sunday. A man was shot in the torso inside a home in Longview, Tex., Sunday afternoon. A man in his early 20s was shot in the stomach during a fight at an Elk’s Lodge in Muskegon, Mich., early Sunday. Two people were injured during a shooting at the Best Food Mart in Lexington, N.C., Sunday afternoon. 47-year-old George Reavis was critically wounded after being shot multiple times by his wife, 42-year-old Diana Matthews, at their Zephyrhills, Fla., home Sunday morning.

A man was shot in the thigh and another man was shot in the shoulder in two separate shootings overnight in Hartford, Conn. A 21-year-old man was wounded in a possibly gang-related shooting in Valencia Park, Calif., Saturday night. Keith Anthony, 24, was fatally shot outside a house party in the Flatlands area of Brooklyn, N.Y., early Sunday. A man was found lying on a sidewalk after a shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo., Saturday night. 18-year-old Brendon Ford and 17-year-old DMarco Pope were killed in a gang-related shooting in north Omaha, Neb., early Sunday. 22-year-old Tony Muse was found dead at the scene of a shooting near Lafayette Square Mall in Indianapolis, Ind., early Sunday.

24-year-old Krista Avery was hospitalized after a drive-by shooting in Henderson, Nev., Sunday evening. Officers were called to a pair of shootings in Pittsfield, Mass., that sent four people to the hospital early Sunday, but police are not sure if they’re related. 23-year old Quenton Alexander was found dead of gunshot wounds in a car near a Motel 6 in Conway, Ark., early Sunday. One person was shot and critically wounded in the Lanark area of Raleigh County, W. Va., early Sunday. An unidentified person was shot in the face and hospitalized in Mount Hope, Ala., early Sunday. At least seven people died – including a 16-year-old – and 41 others were wounded in shootings across Chicago, Ill., this weekend. It was the most violent weekend so far this year in that city.

According to Slate’s gun-death tracker, an estimated 5,090 people have died as a result of gun violence in America since the Newtown massacre on December 14, 2012.

mickeyrat

http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06 ... e-18-2013/

We often write about gun buybacks in this space, but here’s something new: a toy gun buyback.

Charles Hill, principal of Strobridge Elementary School in Hayward, Calif., arranged a “safety day” on June 8 where students were invited to hand in their toy guns in exchange for a book and entry into a drawing for a free bike.

When the gun-rights group Responsible Citizens of California took issue with the event, arguing that playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians was a normal part of growing up, Hill pointed to a recent incident where a 3-year-old boy in Kentucky killed himself while playing with a pink gun he thought was a toy.

“Playing with toy guns, saying ‘I’m going to shoot you,’ desensitizes them,” Hill said, “so as they get older, it’s easier for them to use a real gun.”

Here is today’s report.

—Jennifer Mascia

A 7-year-old boy was riding his bike in Atlanta, Ga., Sunday night when he was hit by a stray bullet from a gun deal gone bad. Elrico Smith, 28, was selling firearms to someone in a silver vehicle when the car’s occupant opened fire on him. Smith allegedly fired several shots at the car, one of which struck the child in the stomach.

—ajc.com

An 8-year-old girl was shot in an apartment building courtyard in Miami, Fla., late Sunday night. The victim was walking home after babysitting when a red pickup truck or minivan drove by and opened fire on a crowd. The girl was struck in the buttocks and a man was shot in the arm. Police said the man may have been the target of the shooting.

—NBC Miami

A 17-year-old drove himself to the hospital after he was shot in the stomach and legs in the Knoxville neighborhood of Pittsburgh, Pa., Monday afternoon. Neighbors heard gunshots and someone reported seeing a boy lying on the sidewalk at around 12:40 p.m. A witness saw a gold Chevrolet Impala leave the scene. The boy is in critical condition.

—post-gazette.com

A teenage girl is among five victims recovering after a string of apparently unrelated shootings in Washington, D.C., overnight. A 17-year-old girl suffered gunshot wounds to both legs and a graze wound to the chest, and a 20-year-old man was shot in the face. Police say the bullet passed through both of his cheeks. Elsewhere in the District, a woman was shot in the leg by her boyfriend and a man was shot in both legs.

—WUSA 9

An 18-year-old man was shot and killed in a home in Kirkwood, Mo., Monday night. Nicholas Lunceford, 19, is accused of shooting an acquaintance with a handgun at around 4:30 p.m. Lunceford fled and is considered armed and dangerous.

—KMOV.com

A 19-year-old man is in critical condition following a shooting at a residence in South Anchorage, Alaska, early Monday. The victim, who suffered a gunshot wound to his upper body, had been fighting with a 45-year-old acquaintance at the home. The shooter was taken into custody but later released. No one has been charged in the shooting.

—Anchorage Daily News

A man killed someone who had come to his Swansea, Mass., home to collect a debt Sunday night, then took his own life. Responding officers found Mitchell Stevenson, 37, dead inside a car. Soon after, the shooter, Christian Wilson, 43, ran into a nearby house and a single gunshot was heard. The situation remains under investigation.

—CBS Boston

23-year-old Sarai Alexis Valdez was killed by her ex-boyfriend, 20-year-old Jonathan Demarco, who was then killed by police in Round Rock, Tex., Sunday night. Officers found Valdez lying in the driveway of a home and Demarco holding a gun. When officers asked him to drop it, he pointed it at them and the officers fired.

—KVUE.com

A Clear Lake, S.D., home was the scene of a double shooting and apparent suicide Sunday night. Brett Pommer shot his wife and another person and then barricaded himself inside the home, where he was later found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Authorities have not released the names of the victims or their conditions.

—Keloland.com

Keith Callabrass, 19, was shot multiple times and killed at a Hartford, Conn., home Sunday night. Police are actively investigating.

—NBC Connecticut

A 48-year-old man and his 19-year-old son were shot inside a Randolph, Mass., home Sunday night. The victims allegedly knew the shooter and the attack was not random. Police are still looking for suspects.

—MyFoxBoston.com

A Newark, N.J., shop owner pulled out a gun from behind his counter and killed a man trying to rob his “Cash For Gold” store at gunpoint Monday afternoon. The robber allegedly barged into the store and made off with an undisclosed amount of merchandise. As he left, the store owner drew a handgun from behind the counter and shot him once. No one has been charged. It was the city’s fifth shooting in a violent 36 hours that left four injured and one dead.

—NJ.com

An off-duty New York City police officer responding to a woman’s screams during a violent assault in a Queens home was shot in the left hand as he struggled with the man assaulting her Sunday night. Joseph Koch, 29, had been attending a barbecue when he heard a woman screaming “Don’t kill me” from a nearby home. He then heard a young boy yelling, “He’s trying to kill my mother.” Jose Bernazard, 40, was shot when the two men grappled over the gun; he is in critical condition. Officer Koch is stable.

—The New York Times

Two unidentified men were arguing about an alleged theft in Mesquite, Tex., Monday afternoon and one of them was shot in the leg. The suspect, who fled with a handgun, barricaded himself in a nearby apartment. Officers forced their way into the apartment and took the man into custody without incident.

—Dallas Morning News

A man and woman were shot while sitting in the front seat of their car in the Dorchester neighborhood of Boston, Mass., Monday afternoon. A child in the backseat was not injured. The victims were taken to the hospital. Anyone with information is asked to call police.

—CBS Boston

A shooting at a home in Vallejo, Calif., left one person dead and two injured Monday night. Police said that someone armed with a high-caliber firearm shot multiple rounds into the home from the outside. The two surviving victims were taken to a hospital. Anyone with information about the crime is asked to call the Vallejo Police Department.

—KTVU.com

A man was shot and killed in the parking lot of a west Phoenix, Ariz., Home Depot Monday afternoon. Two men in the parking lot were trying to complete a sales transaction that began on a website when a third man approached them and pulled out a gun. One of the other men then pulled out a gun and shot the man who approached them. The shooter is claiming self defense.

—azfamily.com

47-year-old Jeffrey Taylor died after being struck by shrapnel while people were target shooting at a bachelor-bachelorette party near Rushford, Minn., Saturday night. The victim and his two sons had been tending to his cattle at a property near where the party was being held when a shot sent shrapnel flying and struck him. The case is expected to be sent to the Fillmore County Attorney for review.

—KARE11

Andre Magee, 24, was shot in the head and killed following an altercation in the parking lot of Babes Showclub in northwest Indianapolis, Ind., early Monday. Witnesses gave police a description of a Ford SUV possibly involved in the shooting.

—WISHTV.com

A man was shot in the shoulder in downtown Allentown, Pa., Monday afternoon. A witness told said the shooter was armed with what looked to be a sawed-off shotgun. The gunman fled.

—The Morning Call

A 38-year-old man was shot in the shoulder and a 22-year-old woman was grazed by a bullet in a shooting at a motel in Newark, Del., Monday morning. The victims were transported to the hospital. Police are searching for the shooter.

—CBS Philly

An unidentified man is dead after an overnight shooting in Minneapolis, Minn., early Monday. Authorities are interviewing witnesses but so far there are no suspects in custody.

—CBS Minnesota

A man was shot and killed following an argument in a convenience store parking lot outside Tuscon, Ariz., Sunday afternoon. The shooting followed a confrontation between the unidentified man and another couple a few minutes earlier. James Lee Derrington was later arrested.

—Arizona Daily Star

According to Slate’s gun-death tracker, an estimated 5,168 people have died as a result of gun violence in America since the Newtown massacre on December 14, 2012.

mickeyrat

http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06 ... #more-3807

Over the weekend, a horrible gun incident took place in Des Moines, Iowa. Scott Hazelbaker, 51, accidentally shot and killed his 18-year-old daughter Emily. We included Emily’s death in our Weekend Gun Report, but there’s more. Laura Nichols, a reporter with KCCI in Des Moines, landed an interview with Hazelbaker, who described his daughter as his best friend. “She was just an angel here on earth,” he said. “I miss her so much.” During the interview, Hazelbaker “sat with his head down and tears in his eyes,” according to Nichols.

You can read her account—and watch the interview—here, if you have the stomach for it. Hazelbaker has been charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Here is today’s report.

—Joe Nocera

Police are investigating a shooting that injured a 1-year-old boy at The Villages at Old Hickory Apartments in Jackson, Tenn., late Monday. A bullet came into the apartment from outside, hitting the boy in the head and fracturing his skull. The boy is in stable condition. Police said the shooter was in a small red small car, possibly a Fiat.

—Jacksonsun.com

A 12-year-old boy was accidentally shot by his 16-year-old brother while handling a rifle in their Vernon, Ind., home late Monday. His condition is critical. No word on charges.

—The Republic

Four people were shot, one fatally, in an apartment in Berkeley, Mo., Tuesday afternoon. The shooting stemmed from an argument, which escalated when two people drew guns and shot each other. Two more people who rode to the apartment complex with one of the shooters were hit by crossfire. The survivors were hospitalized.

—KSDK.com

Eight people, including two 17-year-old boys, were shot Monday afternoon and evening throughout Chicago, Ill. One male was shot and suffered graze wounds to both legs in the Little Village neighborhood; two men, 21 and 22, were hurt in a drive-by shooting in the South Side Kenwood neighborhood; a bullet hit an 18-year-old woman in the backside during a possible drive-by shooting in the Roseland neighborhood; a 19-year-old suffered a graze wound to the chest in the Englewood neighborhood; and a 21-year-old man was shot in the Morgan Park neighborhood on the Far South Side.

—ABC 7

Police said a man shot and wounded another man in a drive-by on the West Side of Chicago because “someone had to pay” after he was not allowed to see his child on Father’s Day. Xavier Guzman, 25, whose nickname is “Lil Bin Laden,” is accused of shooting a 21-year-old man in the Douglas Park neighborhood early Monday. Guzman told officers he had an argument with the child’s mother after she refused to let him to see the child and became “enraged” and “wanted to take it out on someone.”

—Chicago Tribune

Four separate shootings left five people injured and one person dead in New Orleans, La., Tuesday night. In the first shooting, three people were shot in the Dixon neighborhood; one man was shot in Bywater; a man was shot in Jefferson Parish; and a man was shot in the back and killed in New Orleans East.

—WWLTV.com

A man and woman were killed in a shooting in a southern New Jersey doctor’s office Tuesday afternoon. The gunfire was reported shortly before 1 p.m. at the Pennsauken office of Dr. Michelle Liggio. No patients were present. Authorities are not looking for a suspect but would not confirm whether it was a murder-suicide. The identities of the victims are not being released until relatives can be notified.

—ABC 7

A homicide investigation is underway in Northeast Washington, D.C., after two gunshot victims were found Tuesday night. One of the victims was unconscious and not breathing. The other victim was transported to a local hospital with life-threatening injuries.

—NBC 4 Washington

A man shot and injured his stepfather and fatally shot himself Tuesday morning at the home they shared in the Northwest Washington, D.C., Petworth neighborhood. Police said Bryan Wayne Russell, 55, shot his 79-year-old stepfather in the face inside the home before turning the gun on himself. Russell’s stepfather is stable.

—The Washington Times

A female clerk at a Las Vegas, Nev., liquor store was wounded in a random shooting on Sunday. Police say Orvil Grimes, 62, walked into the liquor store and, when greeted with “Happy Father’s Day,” Grimes said, “Sorry, I have to do this,” before reaching into his pocket, pulling out a gun, loading it and pointing it directly at the clerk’s chest. The clerk turned at the last second and the bullet struck her right ring finger. Grimes is a registered and convicted ex-felon who has been arrested for burglary, grand larceny and robbery.

—Fox 5 Vegas

A drive-by shooting left two people with multiple gunshot wounds in the parking lot of a convenience store in Las Vegas early Tuesday. Police are investigating.

—Las Vegas Sun

Around the same time in Las Vegas, one person was shot in the arm and wrist and another person was shot in the chest at a gas station. Both of the victims are expected to recover. No one has been arrested.

—KTNV

Police say 58-year-old Gregory Thacker was shot and killed by his wife, 58-year-old Susan Thacker, after a long argument at their Tucson, Ariz., home Monday night. When officers arrived at the home, Susan Thacker was waiting outside for them and told police her husband was dead inside the house. Thacker was booked into the Pima County jail and is facing one count of second degree murder.

—Arizona Daily Star

Nancy Kovach, 40, was shot and killed by her husband, John, after an argument at their Kalamazoo, Mich., home escalated Monday night. The couple’s 10-year-old and 8-year-old sons were inside the home at the time of the shooting. Police said the argument was over cooking a meal, and alcohol may have played a role.

—MLive

A woman was shot by her boyfriend in Peoria, Ariz., Tuesday morning. Two other people were inside the apartment at the time and tried to stop the couple from arguing when the 23-year-old man pulled out a gun and shot the victim. He is behind bars. She was taken to an area hospital and is in stable condition.

—MyFoxPhoenix.com

Jermaine Andrea McDonald, 37, was found dead in the street in front of a house in Durham. N.C., Tuesday morning. One witness reported hearing four gunshots, and another said McDonald might have been shot while inside his car and then gotten out of it. “It’s really a tragedy when you have the youth thinking this is somewhat normal,” said Geneva Melton, who lives in the neighborhood. “It’s not normal.”

—WRAL

Michael Harris, 34, was shot three times and killed on Casino Beach in Pensacola, Fla., early Tuesday. Police say Demarcus “Smiling Gangsta” Jenkins, 20, shot Harris multiple times, including when he was on the ground, after he witnessed Harris in a fight with his girlfriend. Jenkins was arrested.

—PNJ.com

A man was hospitalized after an attempted robbery in Oklahoma City, Okla., Tuesday. The victim, who was previously at a casino and won a large sum of money, met two men who wanted to sell him an ATV. He was driven to a dilapidated barn, where he was shot. Police arrested three suspects: a husband, his wife and her brother.

—KFOR-TV

Mario Ramos-Alvarez, 20, was shot and killed in Waterford, Calif., early Tuesday. A report of a shooting came in around 1:30 a.m. after someone said his friend had been shot in front of a home, and witnesses saw a dark-colored, four door compact car with a man inside firing a gun.

—Fox 40

Raul Vega, 20, shot his mother’s boyfriend in the chest after witnessing the couple fighting in Rio Rico, Ariz., Monday morning. The boyfriend, 35, is in an intensive care unit at a Tucson hospital after suffering a perforated lung. Vega was charged with aggravated assault and jailed on $50,000 bond.

—Arizona Daily Star

Two men in their 20s were shot and dropped off at a residence in Dos Palos, Calif., Tuesday afternoon. One victim is in critical condition and the other is stable. The motive for the shooting is unknown and under investigation.

—Merced Sun-Star

James Patrick Travers II, 21, was found dead by the side of U.S. Highway 31 in Decatur, Ala., Tuesday morning from what appeared to be a single gunshot wound. The victim’s girlfriend called police after their house was robbed in the middle of the night, and the victim grabbed a gun and ran after two men. Police did not say whether the suspects were armed or whose gun was used to shoot Travers.

—AL.com

A 35-year-old woman was shot outside a New Jersey shore restaurant early Tuesday. The shooting, outside the Sand Bar restaurant in the borough of Brielle, took place just before 1 a.m. Louis Cataldo, 62, was arrested at his home and charged with attempted murder.

—The Christian Science Monitor

Kwane Davis, 36, was shot in the chest and killed in Baltimore, Md., Monday night, not long after commanders, patrol officers and crime scene technicians had cleared out following a double shooting on the same block. Investigators believe that Davis may have been the intended target in the first shooting.

—The Baltimore Sun

According to Slate’s gun-death tracker, an estimated 5,196 people have died as a result of gun violence in America since the Newtown massacre on December 14, 2012.

Godfather.

mickeyrat wrote:

http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/the-gun-report-june-18-2013/

We often write about gun buybacks in this space, but here’s something new: a toy gun buyback.

Charles Hill, principal of Strobridge Elementary School in Hayward, Calif., arranged a “safety day” on June 8 where students were invited to hand in their toy guns in exchange for a book and entry into a drawing for a free bike.

When the gun-rights group Responsible Citizens of California took issue with the event, arguing that playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians was a normal part of growing up, Hill pointed to a recent incident where a 3-year-old boy in Kentucky killed himself while playing with a pink gun he thought was a toy.

“Playing with toy guns, saying ‘I’m going to shoot you,’ desensitizes them,” Hill said, “so as they get older, it’s easier for them to use a real gun.”

Here is today’s report.

—Jennifer Mascia

A 7-year-old boy was riding his bike in Atlanta, Ga., Sunday night when he was hit by a stray bullet from a gun deal gone bad. Elrico Smith, 28, was selling firearms to someone in a silver vehicle when the car’s occupant opened fire on him. Smith allegedly fired several shots at the car, one of which struck the child in the stomach.

—ajc.com

An 8-year-old girl was shot in an apartment building courtyard in Miami, Fla., late Sunday night. The victim was walking home after babysitting when a red pickup truck or minivan drove by and opened fire on a crowd. The girl was struck in the buttocks and a man was shot in the arm. Police said the man may have been the target of the shooting.

—NBC Miami

A 17-year-old drove himself to the hospital after he was shot in the stomach and legs in the Knoxville neighborhood of Pittsburgh, Pa., Monday afternoon. Neighbors heard gunshots and someone reported seeing a boy lying on the sidewalk at around 12:40 p.m. A witness saw a gold Chevrolet Impala leave the scene. The boy is in critical condition.

—post-gazette.com

A teenage girl is among five victims recovering after a string of apparently unrelated shootings in Washington, D.C., overnight. A 17-year-old girl suffered gunshot wounds to both legs and a graze wound to the chest, and a 20-year-old man was shot in the face. Police say the bullet passed through both of his cheeks. Elsewhere in the District, a woman was shot in the leg by her boyfriend and a man was shot in both legs.

—WUSA 9

An 18-year-old man was shot and killed in a home in Kirkwood, Mo., Monday night. Nicholas Lunceford, 19, is accused of shooting an acquaintance with a handgun at around 4:30 p.m. Lunceford fled and is considered armed and dangerous.

—KMOV.com

A 19-year-old man is in critical condition following a shooting at a residence in South Anchorage, Alaska, early Monday. The victim, who suffered a gunshot wound to his upper body, had been fighting with a 45-year-old acquaintance at the home. The shooter was taken into custody but later released. No one has been charged in the shooting.

—Anchorage Daily News

A man killed someone who had come to his Swansea, Mass., home to collect a debt Sunday night, then took his own life. Responding officers found Mitchell Stevenson, 37, dead inside a car. Soon after, the shooter, Christian Wilson, 43, ran into a nearby house and a single gunshot was heard. The situation remains under investigation.

—CBS Boston

23-year-old Sarai Alexis Valdez was killed by her ex-boyfriend, 20-year-old Jonathan Demarco, who was then killed by police in Round Rock, Tex., Sunday night. Officers found Valdez lying in the driveway of a home and Demarco holding a gun. When officers asked him to drop it, he pointed it at them and the officers fired.

—KVUE.com

A Clear Lake, S.D., home was the scene of a double shooting and apparent suicide Sunday night. Brett Pommer shot his wife and another person and then barricaded himself inside the home, where he was later found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Authorities have not released the names of the victims or their conditions.

—Keloland.com

Keith Callabrass, 19, was shot multiple times and killed at a Hartford, Conn., home Sunday night. Police are actively investigating.

—NBC Connecticut

A 48-year-old man and his 19-year-old son were shot inside a Randolph, Mass., home Sunday night. The victims allegedly knew the shooter and the attack was not random. Police are still looking for suspects.

—MyFoxBoston.com

A Newark, N.J., shop owner pulled out a gun from behind his counter and killed a man trying to rob his “Cash For Gold” store at gunpoint Monday afternoon. The robber allegedly barged into the store and made off with an undisclosed amount of merchandise. As he left, the store owner drew a handgun from behind the counter and shot him once. No one has been charged. It was the city’s fifth shooting in a violent 36 hours that left four injured and one dead.

—NJ.com

An off-duty New York City police officer responding to a woman’s screams during a violent assault in a Queens home was shot in the left hand as he struggled with the man assaulting her Sunday night. Joseph Koch, 29, had been attending a barbecue when he heard a woman screaming “Don’t kill me” from a nearby home. He then heard a young boy yelling, “He’s trying to kill my mother.” Jose Bernazard, 40, was shot when the two men grappled over the gun; he is in critical condition. Officer Koch is stable.

—The New York Times

Two unidentified men were arguing about an alleged theft in Mesquite, Tex., Monday afternoon and one of them was shot in the leg. The suspect, who fled with a handgun, barricaded himself in a nearby apartment. Officers forced their way into the apartment and took the man into custody without incident.

—Dallas Morning News

A man and woman were shot while sitting in the front seat of their car in the Dorchester neighborhood of Boston, Mass., Monday afternoon. A child in the backseat was not injured. The victims were taken to the hospital. Anyone with information is asked to call police.

—CBS Boston

A shooting at a home in Vallejo, Calif., left one person dead and two injured Monday night. Police said that someone armed with a high-caliber firearm shot multiple rounds into the home from the outside. The two surviving victims were taken to a hospital. Anyone with information about the crime is asked to call the Vallejo Police Department.

—KTVU.com

A man was shot and killed in the parking lot of a west Phoenix, Ariz., Home Depot Monday afternoon. Two men in the parking lot were trying to complete a sales transaction that began on a website when a third man approached them and pulled out a gun. One of the other men then pulled out a gun and shot the man who approached them. The shooter is claiming self defense.

—azfamily.com

47-year-old Jeffrey Taylor died after being struck by shrapnel while people were target shooting at a bachelor-bachelorette party near Rushford, Minn., Saturday night. The victim and his two sons had been tending to his cattle at a property near where the party was being held when a shot sent shrapnel flying and struck him. The case is expected to be sent to the Fillmore County Attorney for review.

—KARE11

Andre Magee, 24, was shot in the head and killed following an altercation in the parking lot of Babes Showclub in northwest Indianapolis, Ind., early Monday. Witnesses gave police a description of a Ford SUV possibly involved in the shooting.

—WISHTV.com

A man was shot in the shoulder in downtown Allentown, Pa., Monday afternoon. A witness told said the shooter was armed with what looked to be a sawed-off shotgun. The gunman fled.

—The Morning Call

A 38-year-old man was shot in the shoulder and a 22-year-old woman was grazed by a bullet in a shooting at a motel in Newark, Del., Monday morning. The victims were transported to the hospital. Police are searching for the shooter.

—CBS Philly

An unidentified man is dead after an overnight shooting in Minneapolis, Minn., early Monday. Authorities are interviewing witnesses but so far there are no suspects in custody.

—CBS Minnesota

A man was shot and killed following an argument in a convenience store parking lot outside Tuscon, Ariz., Sunday afternoon. The shooting followed a confrontation between the unidentified man and another couple a few minutes earlier. James Lee Derrington was later arrested.

—Arizona Daily Star

According to Slate’s gun-death tracker, an estimated 5,168 people have died as a result of gun violence in America since the Newtown massacre on December 14, 2012.

feast your volcan squeeties on this..

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ ... 2s1113.pdf


Godfather.

dudeman

Referring to the incidents listed in mickeyrats posts, many are accounts of gang violence, some are domestic violence and some are accidental........all of them are horrible. Many of them also occurred in California, New York, Chicago and Washington D.C., locations with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States. How is it possible that people are still being killed in these locations? If restrictive gun legislation really worked, these places should be immune to these types of incidents. Thoughts?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dudeman wrote:

Referring to the incidents listed in mickeyrats posts, many are accounts of gang violence, some are domestic violence and some are accidental........all of them are horrible. Many of them also occurred in California, New York, Chicago and Washington D.C., locations with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States. How is it possible that people are still being killed in these locations? If restrictive gun legislation really worked, these places should be immune to these types of incidents. Thoughts?

How can such legislation possibly work when neighbouring states are not adhering to the same rigidity? Weapons are introduced with relative ease elsewhere and find their way into the states trying to be restrictive.

Godfather.

dudeman wrote:

Referring to the incidents listed in mickeyrats posts, many are accounts of gang violence, some are domestic violence and some are accidental........all of them are horrible. Many of them also occurred in California, New York, Chicago and Washington D.C., locations with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States. How is it possible that people are still being killed in these locations? If restrictive gun legislation really worked, these places should be immune to these types of incidents. Thoughts?

here on the AMT that does not matter nor does it matter that gun related crimes have droped 49% sense 1999..
there are people on the AMT that are just anti-gun folks all together and this is their place to vent their feeling and dislike for guns of any type but back to your question,guns are not the problem people are the problem and everybody knows but they think removing guns from the people will fix the problem..not so.

Godfather.

dudeman

So if we outlaw gun ownership in every state, people will stop killing each other? Won't people just get guns from other neighboring states, such as Mexico?

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

dudeman wrote:

Referring to the incidents listed in mickeyrats posts, many are accounts of gang violence, some are domestic violence and some are accidental........all of them are horrible. Many of them also occurred in California, New York, Chicago and Washington D.C., locations with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States. How is it possible that people are still being killed in these locations? If restrictive gun legislation really worked, these places should be immune to these types of incidents. Thoughts?

How can such legislation possibly work when neighbouring states are not adhering to the same rigidity? Weapons are introduced with relative ease elsewhere and find their way into the states trying to be restrictive.