No. Axel runs off stage after each song and gets an oxygen mask. I'm not kidding either. It's laughable.
I think that's why each person gets their own solo. So he can go in the back and recoup.
Plus Axel couldn't sing when they were an opening act with a 45 minute set.
I love G n'R and you are right...they are completely boring. WAY too many solos, and they just keep going and going. I know their entire catalog very well, but this new iteration is just dull even when they are playing songs I've loved for ages.
The old GnR was my first ever show. I remember it being great, but I had no reference and they had topless women on stage bringing them pizza. Also, I was 14.
they cant keep the quality if they play more time..same more shows per tour....they cant even take breathes after 2 hours show..
its impossible with the energy they play their shows..at that age..
thats why they are the best band in the planet..cos their live shows has the same top high quility always..
and no need fancy clothes or lights or scenes to make the show better..
its the best already..
if they do a 60 shows tour and 3 hours set,the quality will go down right away..
no have to mention..there are bands out there that tix prices are double than pj and plays 45-60 min show only..
i respect Bruce,he is huge..amazing..but he cant do what eddie does on stage for more time than eddie
Have you been a Springsteen show DImi? He's knocks PJ out the park. He has far more energy than Ed at a gig, the guy is a machine. He's called The Boss for a reason. And he does this 3hours plus EVERY NIGHT. No 10 or 12 shows over 3 weeks. 89 gigs he played last year. He's got another 44 gigs scheduled for this year already.
you compare the singing of pj song with Bruce songs??..ok..
you try to sing int he row Go,Animal,Solat and Habit ,run and jump and be 50 years old and you will need hot tea for your throat and 3 days off work
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I didn't think a couple shows a year where they open up the setlists and play a lot of the chill stuff in their repertoire would be such a groundbreaking concept, Eddie even says it himself that it keeps them progressing as a band sometimes, this would allow the band to sharpen up on more songs, to me that would help them progress as a band http://youtu.be/NT3BHuxCFz8?t=3m31s
they cant keep the quality if they play more time..same more shows per tour....they cant even take breathes after 2 hours show..
its impossible with the energy they play their shows..at that age..
thats why they are the best band in the planet..cos their live shows has the same top high quility always..
and no need fancy clothes or lights or scenes to make the show better..
its the best already..
if they do a 60 shows tour and 3 hours set,the quality will go down right away..
no have to mention..there are bands out there that tix prices are double than pj and plays 45-60 min show only..
i respect Bruce,he is huge..amazing..but he cant do what eddie does on stage for more time than eddie
Have you been a Springsteen show DImi? He's knocks PJ out the park. He has far more energy than Ed at a gig, the guy is a machine. He's called The Boss for a reason. And he does this 3hours plus EVERY NIGHT. No 10 or 12 shows over 3 weeks. 89 gigs he played last year. He's got another 44 gigs scheduled for this year already.
you compare the singing of pj song with Bruce songs??..ok..
you try to sing int he row Go,Animal,Solat and Habit ,run and jump and be 50 years old and you will need hot tea for your throat and 3 days off work
thats the point. Bruce still does it everynight and he's now 63.
Just saying.
And he's been doing it since the 70s on a very consistent basis.
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I didn't think a couple shows a year where they open up the setlists and play a lot of the chill stuff in their repertoire would be such a groundbreaking concept, Eddie even says it himself that it keeps them progressing as a band sometimes, this would allow the band to sharpen up on more songs, to me that would help them progress as a band http://youtu.be/NT3BHuxCFz8?t=3m31s
No, that's completely manageable.
And I hope they do this at Wrigley.
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Set 1 7:40 - 8:40 probably acoustic
Set 2 9:00 - 10:40 main set
Encore 1 10:45 - 11:05
Encore 2 11:10 - 11:30
Encore 3 11:40 - 11:55
To give Ed a break, I recommend a long version of Crazy Mary and Black, Stone singing a song, Matt singing a song, and Jeff singing a song.
Jeff singing a song :fp: it better not be Sweet Lew that ruined the final Philly Spectrum encore, it was awful, worse than a drunk karaoke act, and I like Jeff, but not one of his stronger moments, kind of like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQFhVPSBq0
I didn't read the 5 pages of what I'm sure is fans coming to PJ's defense. I'm also in this group. The only 2 similar bands that I can think outplay PJ time-wise have been Bruce and Phish.
I've seen Bruce and it was epic, but songs 15-20 wore me out, knowing i had another 10-15 to go.
Phish - don't want to comment on what i haven't seen.
Which leaves 98% of comparable bands left in the dust. I've seen too many rock shows to count, and when a band hits 22 tunes, I'm a little surprised and in awe.
PJ hits 28+ on any given night, and according to the ops logic, if that's second place - I'll settle for silver any damn day of the week.
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I didn't read the 5 pages of what I'm sure is fans coming to PJ's defense. I'm also in this group. The only 2 similar bands that I can think outplay PJ time-wise have been Bruce and Phish.
I've seen Bruce and it was epic, but songs 15-20 wore me out, knowing i had another 10-15 to go.
Phish - don't want to comment on what i haven't seen.
Which leaves 98% of comparable bands left in the dust. I've seen too many rock shows to count, and when a band hits 22 tunes, I'm a little surprised and in awe.
PJ hits 28+ on any given night, and according to the ops logic, if that's second place - I'll settle for silver any damn day of the week.
nevermind if you didn't read the thread you missed the whole point, a day late and a dollar short on this one, maybe next time
So you're telling me that Bruce plays longer than PJ.
And I'm saying that I'm fine with what PJ gives me. What the fuck did I miss?
that I was only talking about one or two concerts a year them opening up their setlists to play more of their chill stuff they never play, like Grand Rapids '06, open up the setlist and play shit like Around The Bend, one or two shows year is hardly going to kill the band, and if you are not down for that type of show that is where we differ in opinions, because I think a show with a chill set for 1.5 hours then a normal show for 1.5 hours would be awesome and that is all I was saying :fp: and if you had read through the thread you would of got that, hardly some slave driving request
I guess the title of your thread misled me. I would have responded better if it was titled "Hey Pearl Jam, you know how every tour you play a show or two that's 30+ songs and the show goes longer than normal?It feels like you don't do it 1-2 times a year. Do that more."
BBH, I like most of the stuff you post and respect you tons as a fan, but fuck, split hairs less please. I'm too tired to do the research, but you already point out Grand Rapids 06. Mansfield 03 was heavy, Philly '09 was long, Vancouver '11 went a bit late, Pistoia '06 lasted a while, and I'm sure I could find one or two shows each year that match the criteria you're aasking for.
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I guess hte title of your thread misled me. I would have responded better if it was titled "Hey Pearl Jam, you know how every tour you play a show or two that's 30+ songs and the show goes longer than normal? Do that more."
BBH, I like most of the stuff you post and respect you tons as a fan, but fuck, split hairs less please.
no worries bud, sorry I got ADD, I try not to do that so much, and the titles can only be so long
BBH, I like most of the stuff you post and respect you tons as a fan, but fuck, split hairs less please. I'm too tired to do the research, but you already point out Grand Rapids 06. Mansfield 03 was heavy, Philly '09 was long, Vancouver '11 went a bit late, Pistoia '06 lasted a while, and I'm sure I could find one or two shows each year that match the criteria you're aasking for.
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BBH, I like most of the stuff you post and respect you tons as a fan, but fuck, split hairs less please. I'm too tired to do the research, but you already point out Grand Rapids 06. Mansfield 03 was heavy, Philly '09 was long, Vancouver '11 went a bit late, Pistoia '06 lasted a while, and I'm sure I could find one or two shows each year that match the criteria you're aasking for.
I thought I said sorry about splitting hairs, and you posted the same thing right after it, not really sure why the second post, if you are wanting to split hairs yourself? I said I was sorry, if you want to debate it we can, I was trying to go along with your request of not splitting hairs on my last post, and it is hard for someone with ADD not to split hairs,so I thought that was a concession on my part
Truly sorry. I read your post wit a sarcastic time. If you were being sincere, then I appreciate it.
I do like your threads as a whole - and appreciate your insight and contributions. I'm having a pissy day and shouldn't have snapped.
Hopefully I'll meet you at wrigley or London for a beer.
no problem bud, but like the words I am sure you know so well "No matter how cold the winter, there's a springtime ahead" so this pissy day will pass, and a good one will be behind it, it's all good, It's funny when things change so much it's all state of mind, whenever I feeling a little down, and just stuff like that makes me feel better, and that is why Pearl Jam means so much to me, they saved my life, I have no doubt
you compare the singing of pj song with Bruce songs??..ok..
you try to sing int he row Go,Animal,Solat and Habit ,run and jump and be 50 years old and you will need hot tea for your throat and 3 days off work
thats the point. Bruce still does it everynight and he's now 63.
Just saying.
And he's been doing it since the 70s on a very consistent basis.
im not singer but feel like solat is 50 times harder and needs more pressure for the voice to sing than glory days..and habit 100 times harden that my hometown
its apple and oranges..
madonna jump and dance and sing at whole of her show..she cant do it for 4 hours..
its frikin difficult to dance ,run and sing..and breathe the same time
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Set 1 7:40 - 8:40 probably acoustic
Set 2 9:00 - 10:40 main set
Encore 1 10:45 - 11:05
Encore 2 11:10 - 11:30
Encore 3 11:40 - 11:55
To give Ed a break, I recommend a long version of Crazy Mary and Black, Stone singing a song, Matt singing a song, and Jeff singing a song.
Jeff singing a song :fp: it better not be Sweet Lew that ruined the final Philly Spectrum encore, it was awful, worse than a drunk karaoke act, and I like Jeff, but not one of his stronger moments, kind of like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQFhVPSBq0
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you compare the singing of pj song with Bruce songs??..ok..
you try to sing int he row Go,Animal,Solat and Habit ,run and jump and be 50 years old and you will need hot tea for your throat and 3 days off work
thats the point. Bruce still does it everynight and he's now 63.
Just saying.
And he's been doing it since the 70s on a very consistent basis.
im not singer but feel like solat is 50 times harder and needs more pressure for the voice to sing than glory days..and habit 100 times harden that my hometown
its apple and oranges..
madonna jump and dance and sing at whole of her show..she cant do it for 4 hours..
its frikin difficult to dance ,run and sing..and breathe the same time
All things being equal I agree with you, but if Bruce is doing well over 100 shows a tour at over 3 hours a show I would think that would be overall more taxing and tiring than a a dozen PJ shows a year. Bruce also moves around a lot, crowdsurfs, etc..so he isn't just standing there. And like Bathgate says, he's been doing this for decades...and he still keeps going.
Second, I think PJ shows are fine in length... 2:15 - 2:30 being the average. I would rather see more setlist diversity and tighter shows, with some songs slowed down a bit (as has been discussed here in the past). Of course, I would love it if they played longer, but I'm happy with what they do now.
I don't think it's fair to either act to compare them. They are 2 completely different acts.
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All things being equal I agree with you, but if Bruce is doing well over 100 shows a tour at over 3 hours a show I would think that would be overall more taxing and tiring than a a dozen PJ shows a year. Bruce also moves around a lot, crowdsurfs, etc..so he isn't just standing there. And like Bathgate says, he's been doing this for decades...and he still keeps going.
Second, I think PJ shows are fine in length... 2:15 - 2:30 being the average. I would rather see more setlist diversity and tighter shows, with some songs slowed down a bit (as has been discussed here in the past). Of course, I would love it if they played longer, but I'm happy with what they do now.
I don't think it's fair to either act to compare them. They are 2 completely different acts.
thats what i said from the beggining..cant compare..cant say why they dont play 4 hours like Bruce..
well,i tell u.no bruce or eddie can do what madonna do on stage,singing,running,dancing,sycronize with dancers,breathe ,change clothes,costumes..
but is different things,cant compare them.so,when you say play 3:30 like bruce,makes no sense to me..
they can make an acoustic set and play 5 hours with talking and chating with the fans..
the time doesnt say anything to me
Iron Maiden playing 1 hour and a half....its impossible to play more time and this type of music more time..
and dont tell me that the Boss do the same running and jumping and screaming like B Dickinson does on stage
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
All things being equal I agree with you, but if Bruce is doing well over 100 shows a tour at over 3 hours a show I would think that would be overall more taxing and tiring than a a dozen PJ shows a year. Bruce also moves around a lot, crowdsurfs, etc..so he isn't just standing there. And like Bathgate says, he's been doing this for decades...and he still keeps going.
Second, I think PJ shows are fine in length... 2:15 - 2:30 being the average. I would rather see more setlist diversity and tighter shows, with some songs slowed down a bit (as has been discussed here in the past). Of course, I would love it if they played longer, but I'm happy with what they do now.
I don't think it's fair to either act to compare them. They are 2 completely different acts.
thats what i said from the beggining..cant compare..cant say why they dont play 4 hours like Bruce..
well,i tell u.no bruce or eddie can do what madonna do on stage,singing,running,dancing,sycronize with dancers,breathe ,change clothes,costumes..
but is different things,cant compare them.so,when you say play 3:30 like bruce,makes no sense to me..
they can make an acoustic set and play 5 hours with talking and chating with the fans..
the time doesnt say anything to me
Iron Maiden playing 1 hour and a half....its impossible to play more time and this type of music more time..
and dont tell me that the Boss do the same running and jumping and screaming like B Dickinson does on stage
All things being equal I agree with you, but if Bruce is doing well over 100 shows a tour at over 3 hours a show I would think that would be overall more taxing and tiring than a a dozen PJ shows a year. Bruce also moves around a lot, crowdsurfs, etc..so he isn't just standing there. And like Bathgate says, he's been doing this for decades...and he still keeps going.
Second, I think PJ shows are fine in length... 2:15 - 2:30 being the average. I would rather see more setlist diversity and tighter shows, with some songs slowed down a bit (as has been discussed here in the past). Of course, I would love it if they played longer, but I'm happy with what they do now.
I don't think it's fair to either act to compare them. They are 2 completely different acts.
thats what i said from the beggining..cant compare..cant say why they dont play 4 hours like Bruce..
well,i tell u.no bruce or eddie can do what madonna do on stage,singing,running,dancing,sycronize with dancers,breathe ,change clothes,costumes..
but is different things,cant compare them.so,when you say play 3:30 like bruce,makes no sense to me..
they can make an acoustic set and play 5 hours with talking and chating with the fans..
the time doesnt say anything to me
Iron Maiden playing 1 hour and a half....its impossible to play more time and this type of music more time..
and dont tell me that the Boss do the same running and jumping and screaming like B Dickinson does on stage
How about a 2 Minutes To Midnight cover?
come on..if one song need to be covered is THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
damn..why i mention maiden??im gonna listen all day now
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"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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I think that's why each person gets their own solo. So he can go in the back and recoup.
Plus Axel couldn't sing when they were an opening act with a 45 minute set.
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I love G n'R and you are right...they are completely boring. WAY too many solos, and they just keep going and going. I know their entire catalog very well, but this new iteration is just dull even when they are playing songs I've loved for ages.
The old GnR was my first ever show. I remember it being great, but I had no reference and they had topless women on stage bringing them pizza. Also, I was 14.
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you try to sing int he row Go,Animal,Solat and Habit ,run and jump and be 50 years old and you will need hot tea for your throat and 3 days off work
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Many bands play 70-80 minutes, and call it a night.
The occasional 3 hours would be great.
Anything longer than 3.5 hours, you'll probably want to sit down for a bit.
If I knew where it was I would take you there.
http://youtu.be/NT3BHuxCFz8?t=3m31s
thats the point. Bruce still does it everynight and he's now 63.
Just saying.
And he's been doing it since the 70s on a very consistent basis.
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No, that's completely manageable.
And I hope they do this at Wrigley.
If I knew where it was I would take you there.
Set 1 7:40 - 8:40 probably acoustic
Set 2 9:00 - 10:40 main set
Encore 1 10:45 - 11:05
Encore 2 11:10 - 11:30
Encore 3 11:40 - 11:55
To give Ed a break, I recommend a long version of Crazy Mary and Black, Stone singing a song, Matt singing a song, and Jeff singing a song.
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14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQFhVPSBq0
I've seen Bruce and it was epic, but songs 15-20 wore me out, knowing i had another 10-15 to go.
Phish - don't want to comment on what i haven't seen.
Which leaves 98% of comparable bands left in the dust. I've seen too many rock shows to count, and when a band hits 22 tunes, I'm a little surprised and in awe.
PJ hits 28+ on any given night, and according to the ops logic, if that's second place - I'll settle for silver any damn day of the week.
And I'm saying that I'm fine with what PJ gives me. What the fuck did I miss?
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I guess the title of your thread misled me. I would have responded better if it was titled "Hey Pearl Jam, you know how every tour you play a show or two that's 30+ songs and the show goes longer than normal?It feels like you don't do it 1-2 times a year. Do that more."
BBH, I like most of the stuff you post and respect you tons as a fan, but fuck, split hairs less please. I'm too tired to do the research, but you already point out Grand Rapids 06. Mansfield 03 was heavy, Philly '09 was long, Vancouver '11 went a bit late, Pistoia '06 lasted a while, and I'm sure I could find one or two shows each year that match the criteria you're aasking for.
I do like your threads as a whole - and appreciate your insight and contributions. I'm having a pissy day and shouldn't have snapped.
Hopefully I'll meet you at wrigley or London for a beer.
its apple and oranges..
madonna jump and dance and sing at whole of her show..she cant do it for 4 hours..
its frikin difficult to dance ,run and sing..and breathe the same time
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
All things being equal I agree with you, but if Bruce is doing well over 100 shows a tour at over 3 hours a show I would think that would be overall more taxing and tiring than a a dozen PJ shows a year. Bruce also moves around a lot, crowdsurfs, etc..so he isn't just standing there. And like Bathgate says, he's been doing this for decades...and he still keeps going.
Second, I think PJ shows are fine in length... 2:15 - 2:30 being the average. I would rather see more setlist diversity and tighter shows, with some songs slowed down a bit (as has been discussed here in the past). Of course, I would love it if they played longer, but I'm happy with what they do now.
I don't think it's fair to either act to compare them. They are 2 completely different acts.
well,i tell u.no bruce or eddie can do what madonna do on stage,singing,running,dancing,sycronize with dancers,breathe ,change clothes,costumes..
but is different things,cant compare them.so,when you say play 3:30 like bruce,makes no sense to me..
they can make an acoustic set and play 5 hours with talking and chating with the fans..
the time doesnt say anything to me
Iron Maiden playing 1 hour and a half....its impossible to play more time and this type of music more time..
and dont tell me that the Boss do the same running and jumping and screaming like B Dickinson does on stage
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vP2hFFV57E
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
MY DREAM..
Dave Murray+ Mike McGOD Together on stage...oh ..boy..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Im more than happy with what they give.
Bruce is a one off and without question a legend. A remarkable artist.