Oscar Pistorius

Idris · February 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

I haven't seen anything legally or factually suggesting that there is something wrong with his mental state (beyond that which leads to any person committing murder). I really don't think that anything suggests he's going to go out and kill again, because what it looks like is a crime of passion. In the US, a lot of people would get out on bail (with the bail being extremely high so most people couldn't pay it anyway).

Well like I mentioned earlier, I'm not too interested in how other people would get out on bail.

Pistorius lacks proper judgment and control, how do we know this? Because whichever way you look at what happened, if he killed his girlfriend knowingly or not...The fact is he pumped 4 bullets into someone.

And someone like that should not be out free, also like I said they should do a drug test, try and see if the roids had something to do with any of this and so on.

It's too early to make a determination that he is not a risk to the public. Who knows, maybe he will snap again and cut a reporter with his 'blades' for asking him if he killed his g/f on purpose. know what I mean?

More info is needed and more tests should be done.

But that is all just my feelings towards this so far.

catefrances · February 2013

Idris wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I haven't seen anything legally or factually suggesting that there is something wrong with his mental state (beyond that which leads to any person committing murder). I really don't think that anything suggests he's going to go out and kill again, because what it looks like is a crime of passion. In the US, a lot of people would get out on bail (with the bail being extremely high so most people couldn't pay it anyway).

Well like I mentioned earlier, I'm not too interested in how other people would get out on bail.

Pistorius lacks proper judgment and control, how do we know this? Because whichever way you look at what happened, if he killed his girlfriend knowingly or not...The fact is he pumped 4 bullets into someone.

And someone like that should not be out free, also like I said they should do a drug test, try and see if the roids had something to do with any of this and so on.

It's too early to make a determination that he is not a risk to the public. Who knows, maybe he will snap again and cut a reporter with his 'blades' for asking him if he killed his g/f on purpose. know what I mean?

More info is needed and more tests should be done.

But that is all just my feelings towards this so far.

imagine if it was a child behind that door doing nothing more than having a midnight pee.

callen · February 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

one thing that always bothers me about these cases is that everyone thinks they can figure out guilt or innocence based on assumptions of what you would have done or what you think would make sense in the course of an extremely stressful and chaotic situation that probably lasted about 30 seconds.

is he guilty? probably.

does the fact that he says he didn't know his g/f wasn't in bed next to him make him guilty? no. has that not ever happened to you before? there have been several situations where I've groggily gotten out of bed, and been scared to death upon entering the bathroom and my wife is already in there, not knowing she wasn't next to me in bed (and we sleep in a DOUBLE, not even a queen).

none of the assumptions on what people deem make sense is relevant. the only thing that's relevant, besides an eyewitness account, is physical evidence.

Yeah, it's all about the physical evidence. If that doesn't disprove his story (as opposed to actually proving it), I don't see how they could confidently convict him, no matter how guilty he seems. There wouldn't be any proof that he did it on purpose.... The witnesses saying there was screaming and yelling going on for a while before the gun fire seems fairly damning though.

Beleive he made statement that he felt vulnerable cause he was on his stubs yet the trajectory of bullets countered that.

SpinTheWishlist · February 2013

he's giving it his best shot to plead innocent, the cops have fucked this up by all accounts, and i wouldn't be surprised if he was exonerated due to sheer incompetence and cowardliness of the courts system. then again maybe SA wants to avoid and international embarrassment and will do the right thing and find him guilty, which he is. his story doesn't make sense, he said the bedroom door was locked, but earlier he had been in there, bringing in the fan and getting the gun, and later it wasn't locked when he went to get his blades. my god. what a prick.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

callen wrote:

Beleive he made statement that he felt vulnerable cause he was on his stubs yet the trajectory of bullets countered that.

if that's the case, I hope he's found guilty.

PJ_Soul · February 2013

SpinTheWishlist wrote:

he's giving it his best shot to plead innocent, the cops have fucked this up by all accounts, and i wouldn't be surprised if he was exonerated due to sheer incompetence and cowardliness of the courts system. then again maybe SA wants to avoid and international embarrassment and will do the right thing and find him guilty, which he is. his story doesn't make sense, he said the bedroom door was locked, but earlier he had been in there, bringing in the fan and getting the gun, and later it wasn't locked when he went to get his blades. my god. what a prick.

Hm. I wonder if national embarrassment would be a factor??... it never occurred to me to relate this and S.A.'s reputation... and would it matter?
You are right - this thing is a shit show is all ways. The just needs a Cochrane-type lawyer and he's possibly golden.... except that it's S.A. To me that's a place that would accommodate a solid episode of Locked Up Abroad. So perhaps shit's just different that what we're all thinking as far as the justice system goes.

redrock · February 2013

Soooo.... he's been granted bail.

Listened to the magistrate's speech and reading between the lines, bail has been granted mainly because of the bungling police officer first at scene (Botha - who has now been removed) and the 'exceptionality of circumstances' (ie famous and 'using prosthetic legs'). As when it comes to past violence (which is documented) - no solid proof (ie paperwork/cases,etc) were put forward to the magistrate.

Though the magistrate strongly criticised the State's 'case' he did say that the defence case was dodgy too (not in those words obviously). He did say that he was just sorting out a bail hearing and that in the months to come, evidence will be pieced together, etc....

The 'YES' vocalised by Pistorius upon the magistrate giving his decision reminded me of some other trial.....

Interesting to see how this trial will pan out (eventually).

rick1zoo2 · February 2013

just read the update on CNN online and at the same time Gorified G is playing on the radio. odd coincidence?

redrock · February 2013

Trial by judge though, not by jury. So no 'showbiz' trial. I'm sure Pistorius will have the best lawyers money can buy (and we have already had a glimpse of what is to come) but they will not be able to put on a show like those with OJ. No 'common' people for the rich and famous to bedazzle, etc. Just a skeptical judge with a couple of experts.

Now they are discussing the terms of the bail. I would expect Pistorius to lay low until the trial....

Bail only 250.000 Rand????? $28.000???? For an accused of premeditated murder??? Wow... call me cynical but fame and money do speak....

EDIT: Bail now raised to 1million Rand - $112.000. A drop in the ocean for him....

Another edit: It would seem that: 'It was the right decision to make. The magistrate didn't want to take responsibility for his health and care in prison. SA prisons can be quite violent places and his fame and disability would draw attention to him.'

I'd like to say that I really don't care whether he was granted bail or not. But what I am wondering is, if this was some other south african killing his girlfriend in the same circumstances, would he have been granted bail? I think not. Justice is not equal.

SpinTheWishlist · February 2013

redrock wrote:

.... But what I am wondering is, if this was some other south african killing his girlfriend in the same circumstances, would he have been granted bail? I think not. Justice is not equal.

a very good point.

.. i don't know, every time i see images of him i feel he is gloating under all his rich white-boy wealth. i can't help thinking she didn't stand a chance and here he is pleading for his freedom. she seems to have been forgotten in this. i may have missed the more recent reports, but what happened about the bloodied cricket-bat? didn't he say he used it to bash down the door- what, did he accidentally brush it over her head after the door gave way??
-i guess it will all come out in the trial.

dimitrispearljam · February 2013

leave he pay bail and walks out is bullshit..he must be hold till trial..

lukin2006 · February 2013

This might be SA OJ trial ... the police are already being accused of messing up ... sound familiar. Don't be surprised if he walks or get a plea deal that gives him minimum jail time ... just saying.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

lukin2006 wrote:

This might be SA OJ trial ... the police are already being accused of messing up ... sound familiar. Don't be surprised if he walks or get a plea deal that gives him minimum jail time ... just saying.

everyone is relating this to the OJ trial, but I think the similarity stops at it being a celebrity sports star. There is no doubt in this case that he was shooter. I don't know if any amount of police bungling can fuck up this case. I mean, if the trajectory alone doesn't fit his statement, is that not enough to convict the guy? I would think so.

SpinTheWishlist · February 2013

^you would think so but it seems SA is still reeling from the fact that their golden girl got shot by their golden boy and by finding him guilty they lose both.

even flow - question mark · February 2013

Funny thing is that if I thought that somebody had broken in to our house in the middle of the night, being a man, the first thing I would check would be if my wife/girlfriend was in bed beside me, as she'd be the one that I'd be protecting. Well before I'd be grabbing my gun, and blasting holes through the bathroom door. Legs or no legs!

Send over the rest of OJ's dream team to get this guy off!

Idris · February 2013

even flow - question mark wrote:

Funny thing is that if I thought that somebody had broken in to our house in the middle of the night, being a man, the first thing I would check would be if my wife/girlfriend was in bed beside me, as she'd be the one that I'd be protecting. Well before I'd be grabbing my gun, and blasting holes through the bathroom door. Legs or no legs!

In South Africa, because of the huge number of crimes,break-ins etc, to a certain degree, it is a shoot first culture, not 'think' first.

They are gonna have to look at 'motive', why would he want his g/f dead.

even flow - question mark · February 2013

Idris wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Funny thing is that if I thought that somebody had broken in to our house in the middle of the night, being a man, the first thing I would check would be if my wife/girlfriend was in bed beside me, as she'd be the one that I'd be protecting. Well before I'd be grabbing my gun, and blasting holes through the bathroom door. Legs or no legs!

In South Africa, because of the huge number of crimes,break-ins etc, to a certain degree, it is a shoot first culture, not 'think' first.

They are gonna have to look at 'motive', why would he want his g/f dead.

Why does anybody kill their spouse?????? It is not up to me to make an excuse as to why he shot her, that is up to him. If the shoot first (ala the US) works then hey, let it fly. Can't deny the people who have heard them at each others throats on other occasions.

Can you imagine living in a shoot first culture? Fucking sad, man, very, very, sad!

Idris · February 2013

even flow - question mark wrote:

Can you imagine living in a shoot first culture? Fucking sad, man, very, very, sad!

Personally, I can. I lived in South Africa for a handful of years as a teenager, right near the end of Apartheid. When some areas/places still said/read "whites only", not long after apartheid fell, the crime boomed, highest murder rates, rapes and carjackings.

In fact the home I was living in with my family was robbed, I was in class, my sister was home and some 4-5 armed thugs tied her up, dragged her around the house with tape wrapped around her face/mouth and her hands bound. I've had friends killed and their families all to ready to shoot whoever they think is guilty etc etc etc
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I'm not defending Oscar, just saying that what he did, has been done before (on some level) and people have gotten away with 'murder'. 'just' or not.

This is the reality, a very sad reality.

PJ_Soul · February 2013

Well, I think his story doesn't make sense, but my mom actually thinks his story is perfectly believable (although not necessarily true). And my mom's not an idiot, so I guess I'm going to admit that maybe his story isn't as ridiculous as I first thought, since some reasonable people do seem to think that it's possible it happened the way he's saying it did?? I guess.

My mom's first thought was related to where he lives and how him freaking out isn't unfeasible there, given the fear of crime.

even flow - question mark · February 2013

Idris wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Can you imagine living in a shoot first culture? Fucking sad, man, very, very, sad!

Personally, I can. I lived in South Africa for a handful of years as a teenager, right near the end of Apartheid. When some areas/places still said/read "whites only", not long after apartheid fell, the crime boomed, highest murder rates, rapes and carjackings.

In fact the home I was living in with my family was robbed, I was in class, my sister was home and some 4-5 armed thugs tied her up, dragged her around the house with tape wrapped around her face/mouth and her hands bound. I've had friends killed and their families all to ready to shoot whoever they think is guilty etc etc etc
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I'm not defending Oscar, just saying that what he did, has been done before (on some level) and people have gotten away with 'murder'. 'just' or not.

This is the reality, a very sad reality.

I listened to the news where they have compared Oscar's shooting with a couple of high profile others and to me it still does not add up. Like I mentioned earlier, if you sleep beside the one you love, I think you'd notice them not in bed when you got up. And best case scenario you actually ask who is behind the door before you pull the trigger. I know that may not add up for the gun toters on the board but what do they know.

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