Oscar Pistorius

Idris

even flow - question mark wrote:

Like I mentioned earlier, if you sleep beside the one you love, I think you'd notice them not in bed when you got up. And best case scenario you actually ask who is behind the door before you pull the trigger. I know that may not add up for the gun toters on the board but what do they know.

Don't take what I said as a defense of Pistorious, just go back a page and read what I posted about him and the case of what we know about it at this point.
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You think you would notice a loved one not next to you when you get up, but you don't know for sure if you would in that same situation unless you are in that same situation in a place with that dangerous history. 'Obviously' nothing that happened was a 'best case scenario', (I'm referencing you here)..The question is 'why' did it go down the way it did.

and this part

I know that may not add up for the gun toters on the board but what do they know

I dunno what you are talking about here.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Idris wrote:

You think you would notice a loved one not next to you when you get up, but you don't know for sure if you would in that same situation unless you are in that same situation in a place with that dangerous history. 'Obviously' nothing that happened was a 'best case scenario', (I'm referencing you here)..The question is 'why' did it go down the way it did.

this is exactly the point I made a while ago.........that I've gotten out of bed myself all groggily to go for a wizz.....and ended up getting scared to death by my wife as I entered the bathroom, not knowing she wasn't in bed beside me.

it's entirely plausible that someone would, in a state of being startled out of bed by a possible intruder in pitch black, living where he does, rocket out of bed without noticing his spouse is not next to him.

remember, truth and beyond a reasonable doubt are two completely different things.

g under p

even flow - question mark wrote:

Idris wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Can you imagine living in a shoot first culture? Fucking sad, man, very, very, sad!

Personally, I can. I lived in South Africa for a handful of years as a teenager, right near the end of Apartheid. When some areas/places still said/read "whites only", not long after apartheid fell, the crime boomed, highest murder rates, rapes and carjackings.

In fact the home I was living in with my family was robbed, I was in class, my sister was home and some 4-5 armed thugs tied her up, dragged her around the house with tape wrapped around her face/mouth and her hands bound. I've had friends killed and their families all to ready to shoot whoever they think is guilty etc etc etc
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I'm not defending Oscar, just saying that what he did, has been done before (on some level) and people have gotten away with 'murder'. 'just' or not.

This is the reality, a very sad reality.

I listened to the news where they have compared Oscar's shooting with a couple of high profile others and to me it still does not add up. Like I mentioned earlier, if you sleep beside the one you love, I think you'd notice them not in bed when you got up. And best case scenario you actually ask who is behind the door before you pull the trigger. I know that may not add up for the gun toters on the board but what do they know.

In any case you have a deadly weapon in your hand, aren't you supposed to identify your target BEFORE inflicting deadly force. In my case i have see my target before i will squeeze a trigger. For all one knows it could be a dog behind that bathroom door.

Peace

Idris

g under p wrote:

In any case you have a deadly weapon in your hand, aren't you supposed to identify your target BEFORE inflicting deadly force. In my case i have see my target before i will squeeze a trigger. For all one knows it could be a dog behind that bathroom door.

Peace

right on, that is what we are supposed to do. But sadly in the world we live in, most people do not do what they are 'supposed' to do. They make decisions based on emotions.

Idris

UPDATE on the 'substance' found in his home.

JOHANNESBURG (AP) -- Oscar Pistorius' representatives have named the substance found in his bedroom after the shooting death of his girlfriend as Testis compositum and said Wednesday it is an herbal remedy used "in aid of muscle recovery."

South African police said during Pistorius' bail hearing that they found needles in Pistorius' bedroom along with the substance, which they initially named as testosterone. Prosecutors later withdrew that statement identifying the substance and said it had been sent for laboratory tests and couldn't be named until those tests were completed.

A U.S. subsidiary, Heel USA Inc., markets the product in tablet form only and spokeswoman Joan Sullivan said she didn't know if injectable versions are sold in other countries. Heel USA's website says the product provides temporary relief for men's "sexual weakness" and lack of stamina.

The U.S.-sold tablets contain 23 ingredients, including pig testicles, pig heart, pig embryo and pig adrenal gland, cortisone, ginseng and other botanicals. It also contains several minerals, according to a list Sullivan provided.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OLY_PISTORIUS_SUBSTANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

even flow - question mark

"Idris wrote:

right on, that is what we are supposed to do. But sadly in the world we live in, most people do not do what they are 'supposed' to do. They make decisions based on emotions.

I guess this answers your own question from a few posts up on "why would he want his g/f dead"?

Idris

I'm sure it did, as I was generally speaking from about 3 differnt sides trying to tie them together in some form.

Also I'm sorry if I came across a bit harsh towards you or anyone else, that was not my inetention.

even flow - question mark

Idris wrote:

I'm sure it did, as I was generally speaking from about 3 differnt sides trying to tie them together in some form.

Also I'm sorry if I came across a bit harsh towards you or anyone else, that was not my inetention.

Emotions make this train roll. Don't sweat it.

SpinTheWishlist

Oscar Pistorious is going to get away with this, is my prediction, even though his own testimony damns him. Didn't he say he called out to warn whoever was in the toilet, yelling at them to 'get out of (my) house' ?? So Reeva sat on the loo asleep, or indifferent to the fact that her man was freaking out vocally on the other side of the door? I don't care what country you live in, if that was me I'd be yelling back asking if he was ok :fp:
...and, I believe I read in his affidavit that he said he began calling out to the toilet from the time he grabbed his gun in the bedroom, ample time for her to respond i would think.

Imo there is enough damning him, but yes 'beyond reasonable doubt' and it seems the charisma within the testimony of those who knew him is serving him well

edit: i just read my own post and the horror struck me that maybe she heard him calling out and thinking there was indeed an intruder elsewhere in the house, she remained silent. omg, as i said- it all damns him but is yet inconclusive, bugger.

callen

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Idris wrote:

You think you would notice a loved one not next to you when you get up, but you don't know for sure if you would in that same situation unless you are in that same situation in a place with that dangerous history. 'Obviously' nothing that happened was a 'best case scenario', (I'm referencing you here)..The question is 'why' did it go down the way it did.

this is exactly the point I made a while ago.........that I've gotten out of bed myself all groggily to go for a wizz.....and ended up getting scared to death by my wife as I entered the bathroom, not knowing she wasn't in bed beside me.

it's entirely plausible that someone would, in a state of being startled out of bed by a possible intruder in pitch black, living where he does, rocket out of bed without noticing his spouse is not next to him.

remember, truth and beyond a reasonable doubt are two completely different things.

Want to give Oscar the benefit of the doubt and also thought about getting up groggy and stumbling to bathroom to take a wiz. But the more I think about it…once he heard the noise and consciously picked up his gun, took it off safety, his heart had to be pumping and he wasn’t groggy anymore. Also if I heard something, the first thing I would do is reach over and touch my GF to make sure she is there, safe and also ready to defend herself..not leaving her asleep as I go blast through a closed door. Is it not instinct to get the other humans in your group to help defend? Wonder if they can tell how long she was alive after the first bullet struck…..so she could scream and Oscar would know it was her. The whole thing just doesn’t’ make sense, regardless of the crime rate in SA. Will be interesting to see what happens. I think there is a chance he skips town.

redrock

callen wrote:

Want to give Oscar the benefit of the doubt and also thought about getting up groggy and stumbling to bathroom to take a wiz. But the more I think about it…once he heard the noise and consciously picked up his gun, took it off safety, his heart had to be pumping and he wasn’t groggy anymore.

He couldn't have been that groggy as he had gotten up, went to his open sliding doors onto his balcony to bring a fan in. He then closed the doors and drew the curtains. Then, allegedly, he heard a noise coming from the bathroom and, on his way, got his gun (which was underneath his bed) whilst shouting at the 'intruder' in the bathroom to get out of the house and shouting for Reeva to call the police. All this before getting to the bathroom and the toilet. Sounds like someone quite aware to me. Another thought... if he is so paranoid about intruders, etc. why would he sleep with the balcony doors open?

Also, should all this be true and should Reeva had been the person on the toilet taking a leak, surely she would have said something....

Shady all of this, very shady.

Jason P

I was watching a South Park rerun last night ... Oscar should have tried to pin this on "some Puerto Rican guy".

If he walks, South Africa is officially giving Florida a run for the money.

Idris

Jason P wrote:

I was watching a South Park rerun last night ... Oscar should have tried to pin this on "some Puerto Rican guy".

If he walks, South Africa is officially giving Florida a run for the money.

Sorry, but nothing can give Florida a run for the (it's) money.

hedonist

There's so much that doesn't make sense about the whole scenario - at least from what I've read so far.

SpinTheWishlist - your edit? That hadn't even occurred to me. Horrific.

redrock and Idris make good points (as usual ) respectively in the inconstencies and the mindset of those who live in SA.

Idris, I'm so sorry for what your sister went through - unimaginable.

(PS...anyone else get a chuckle out of calling a Viagra-like herbal remedy "muscle recovery"?)

even flow - question mark

hedonist wrote:

(PS...anyone else get a chuckle out of calling a Viagra-like herbal remedy "muscle recovery"?)

It's not "Russel the One Eyed Muscle" for nothing.

SpinTheWishlist

that's funny, a one-eyed muscle hah.

but in regard to this viagra-like substance it occurred to me that if he needed this type of 'boost' he may have been arguing with reeva about competency and we can assume that a man in such a situation might need to overcompensate for his 'embarrassment'. maybe she said things she shouldn't have and... well you can guess the rest.

hedonist wrote:

SpinTheWishlist - your edit? That hadn't even occurred to me. Horrific.

if it were true it would be tragic.

Jason P

Idris wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I was watching a South Park rerun last night ... Oscar should have tried to pin this on "some Puerto Rican guy".

If he walks, South Africa is officially giving Florida a run for the money.

Sorry, but nothing can give Florida a run for the (it's) money.

That's what I thought ... then I saw a clip this morning where South African police tied a man to the back of a van and then drove off with him draging behind. He was later found dead.

His crime was parking his taxi on the wrong side of the street.

:( :evil:

http://www.businessinsider.com/video-south-african-police-dragging-2013-2

Idris

Jason P wrote:

Idris wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I was watching a South Park rerun last night ... Oscar should have tried to pin this on "some Puerto Rican guy".

If he walks, South Africa is officially giving Florida a run for the money.

Sorry, but nothing can give Florida a run for the (it's) money.

That's what I thought ... then I saw a clip this morning where South African police tied a man to the back of a van and then drove off with him draging behind. He was later found dead.

His crime was parking his taxi on the wrong side of the street.

:( :evil:

http://www.businessinsider.com/video-south-african-police-dragging-2013-2

Dog shoots Florida man (21 hrs ago)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/dog-shoots-florida-man-184844302.html

Jason P

Idris wrote:

Dog shoots Florida man (21 hrs ago)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/dog-shoots-florida-man-184844302.html

touché

PJ_Soul

Idris wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Idris wrote:

Sorry, but nothing can give Florida a run for the (it's) money.

That's what I thought ... then I saw a clip this morning where South African police tied a man to the back of a van and then drove off with him draging behind. He was later found dead.

His crime was parking his taxi on the wrong side of the street.

:( :evil:

http://www.businessinsider.com/video-south-african-police-dragging-2013-2

Dog shoots Florida man (21 hrs ago)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/dog-shoots-florida-man-184844302.html

That's, like, the touche of touches.