Oscar Pistorius

catefrances

PJ_Soul wrote:

Here is his story i mean statement. Judge for yourself how totally ridiculous it sounds!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/in ... 01265.html

he called to reeva to call the police even though she was, to the best of his knowledge, asleep? even when he went to retrieve his gun he didnt try to wake reeva in order that she call the police. he just assumed whoever was in the bathroom was an intruder? so only after he thought it just might be reeva in the bathroom did he put on his legs??? why take the time to do that if you think you just shot your girlfriend by mistake? and when did he call the police? why was the toilet door locked? if as he said he yelled at the intruder to get our of his house, did reeva not identify herself? isnt that what any of us wold do if we heard our lover yelling at us?

so many questions oscar. what a shame the only other witness is dead and cant corroborate or deny his story.

redrock

When you see the floor plan of the bedroom/bathroom/toilet area, it would take one very stupid intruder to lock himself in the toilet. Couldn't have cornered himself any better!

PJ_Soul

redrock wrote:

When you see the floor plan of the bedroom/bathroom/toilet area, it would take one very stupid intruder to lock himself in the toilet. Couldn't have cornered himself any better!

Well he said that his immediate and singular assumption was that the burglar had climbed in the bathroom window and then closed the bathroom door while still in there, so Oscar pulled the trigger several times.

gimmesometruth27

the chewbacca defense

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... ca-defense

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the chewbacca defense

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... ca-defense

chewbacca always makes sense.

catefrances

redrock wrote:

When you see the floor plan of the bedroom/bathroom/toilet area, it would take one very stupid intruder to lock himself in the toilet. Couldn't have cornered himself any better!

however if you were trying to get away from someone threatening you, the toilet whilst a deadend could seem a safe place.. especially if you locked the door.

PJ_Soul

catefrances wrote:

redrock wrote:

When you see the floor plan of the bedroom/bathroom/toilet area, it would take one very stupid intruder to lock himself in the toilet. Couldn't have cornered himself any better!

however if you were trying to get away from someone threatening you, the toilet whilst a deadend could seem a safe place.. especially if you locked the door.

Yep.

Jason P

The lead detective is facing attempted murder charges!!!

:fp:

I look forward to the audio recording where he is additioning for a movie and drops the n-word 50 times.

:corn:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

one thing that always bothers me about these cases is that everyone thinks they can figure out guilt or innocence based on assumptions of what you would have done or what you think would make sense in the course of an extremely stressful and chaotic situation that probably lasted about 30 seconds.

is he guilty? probably.

does the fact that he says he didn't know his g/f wasn't in bed next to him make him guilty? no. has that not ever happened to you before? there have been several situations where I've groggily gotten out of bed, and been scared to death upon entering the bathroom and my wife is already in there, not knowing she wasn't next to me in bed (and we sleep in a DOUBLE, not even a queen).

none of the assumptions on what people deem make sense is relevant. the only thing that's relevant, besides an eyewitness account, is physical evidence.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

one thing that always bothers me about these cases is that everyone thinks they can figure out guilt or innocence based on assumptions of what you would have done or what you think would make sense in the course of an extremely stressful and chaotic situation that probably lasted about 30 seconds.

is he guilty? probably.

does the fact that he says he didn't know his g/f wasn't in bed next to him make him guilty? no. has that not ever happened to you before? there have been several situations where I've groggily gotten out of bed, and been scared to death upon entering the bathroom and my wife is already in there, not knowing she wasn't next to me in bed (and we sleep in a DOUBLE, not even a queen).

none of the assumptions on what people deem make sense is relevant. the only thing that's relevant, besides an eyewitness account, is physical evidence.

Yeah, it's all about the physical evidence. If that doesn't disprove his story (as opposed to actually proving it), I don't see how they could confidently convict him, no matter how guilty he seems. There wouldn't be any proof that he did it on purpose.... The witnesses saying there was screaming and yelling going on for a while before the gun fire seems fairly damning though.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yeah, it's all about the physical evidence. If that doesn't disprove his story (as opposed to actually proving it), I don't see how they could confidently convict him, no matter how guilty he seems. There wouldn't be any proof that he did it on purpose.... The witnesses saying there was screaming and yelling going on for a while before the gun fire seems fairly damning though.

didn't someone say that those that supposedly heard that were found to live 4 blocks away?

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yeah, it's all about the physical evidence. If that doesn't disprove his story (as opposed to actually proving it), I don't see how they could confidently convict him, no matter how guilty he seems. There wouldn't be any proof that he did it on purpose.... The witnesses saying there was screaming and yelling going on for a while before the gun fire seems fairly damning though.

didn't someone say that those that supposedly heard that were found to live 4 blocks away?

Really? If you say so... If that's the case, then that testimony would be useless... It could have been anyone in the area screaming.

Bronx Bombers

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics-- ... 00181.html

Looks like he'll be crying a little bit more if he doesn't get bail tomorrow.

PJ_Soul

I don't see why he shouldn't be granted bail. It's not like he can just slip away at night and stay under the radar. He's an internationally famous guy with no legs. And there seems to be no reason to think he's going to go and kill again while on trial.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yeah, it's all about the physical evidence. If that doesn't disprove his story (as opposed to actually proving it), I don't see how they could confidently convict him, no matter how guilty he seems. There wouldn't be any proof that he did it on purpose.... The witnesses saying there was screaming and yelling going on for a while before the gun fire seems fairly damning though.

didn't someone say that those that supposedly heard that were found to live 4 blocks away?

Really? If you say so... If that's the case, then that testimony would be useless... It could have been anyone in the area screaming.

this is what I was referring to.

Jason P wrote:

It looks like the South African version of the OJ Simpson prosecution team has been assembled. On day 1 the lead detective agreed with the defense that they didn’t have real evidence. And on day 2 one of his key witnesses that heard screaming leading up to the shooting was actually four blocks away.

PJ_Soul

Huh!
And now the lead investigator is a murder suspect. TOTALLY OJ-esque! If I were to place a bet on the outcome right now, I'd say that he'll be found not guilty.... Although that's based on what I know of N. American courts. Could be a whole other ballgame in South Africa.

Idris

PJ_Soul wrote:

. And there seems to be no reason to think he's going to go and kill again while on trial.

He already has killed once, he seems unstable/always breaking down, he was on steroids (apparently), so that could very well be messing with his mind.

Who knows what he may do, what we do know is what he has done, which is put 4? bullets into his girlfriend and if the reports are accurate, smashed her head in with a Cricket Bat all the while thinking it was someone who broke/got into his well secured complex etc

PJ_Soul

Idris wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

. And there seems to be no reason to think he's going to go and kill again while on trial.

He already has killed once, he seems unstable/always breaking down, he was on steroids (apparently), so that could very well be messing with his mind.

Who knows what he may do, what we do know is what he has done, which is put 4? bullets into his girlfriend and if the reports are accurate, smashed her head in with a Cricket Bat all the while thinking it was someone who broke/got into his well secured complex etc

Hey, I'm not defending him or saying I think he SHOULD get out on bail... Just from what i've observed in the past, people who commit this kind of crime very often get out on bail (not a random attack, he's plead not guilty, there is no hard evidence proving that his story is bullshit, he doesn't seem like a flight risk, etc).

Idris

His actions are not of someone who should be out on the streets. What he did shows a complete lack of restraint and is not someone of a 'sound mind'.

Other people who commit this type of crime who get out on bail is not really my concern, I'm speaking about this specific case.

4 shots, all hitting the same person, the bloodied cricket bat, the roids...It all adds up to something being wrong, even if his story is legit, he's still a mess and if anything maybe he should be in a Psychiatric hospital for some evaluation.

Anyway, I trust South African courts more than ours, so yea, let's see what happens.

Also I know you are not defending him, I was just replying to you saying And there seems to be no reason to think he's going to go and kill again while on trial.

I just wanted to point out that a few reasons do exist, mainly being his own mental state.

PJ_Soul

Idris wrote:

His actions are not of someone who should be out on the streets. What he did shows a complete lack of restraint and is not someone of a 'sound mind'.

Other people who commit this type of crime who get out on bail is not really my concern, I'm speaking about this specific case.

4 shots, all hitting the same person, the bloodied cricket bat, the roids...It all adds up to something being wrong, even if his story is legit, he's still a mess and if anything maybe he should be in a Psychiatric hospital for some evaluation.

Anyway, I trust South African courts more than ours, so yea, let's see what happens.

Also I know you are not defending him, I was just replying to you saying And there seems to be no reason to think he's going to go and kill again while on trial.

I just wanted to point out that a few reasons do exist, mainly being his own mental state.

I haven't seen anything legally or factually suggesting that there is something wrong with his mental state (beyond that which leads to any person committing murder). I really don't think that anything suggests he's going to go out and kill again, because what it looks like is a crime of passion. In the US, a lot of people would get out on bail (with the bail being extremely high so most people couldn't pay it anyway).