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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    MG79478 wrote:
    Unfortunately most people get their reality from the mainstream media, and there is no question that has a liberal bias.
    where do you get your news from?

    like the elected republicans this thread is about, any resemblence between their reality and mine is purely coincidence.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    MG79478 wrote:

    Unfortunately most people get their reality from the mainstream media, and there is no question that has a liberal bias.

    :lol::lol:
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    perhaps if the republicans would stop embarrassing themselves people would stop demonizing the "mainstream media". the international media is laughing at them. i am pissed because these idiots in congress make all us citizens look like idiots. they represent US, right?

    how is this for hypocracy....

    the republicans in the senate are calling for hagel, a republican's, tax returns for multiple years. where were these assholes when the majority of the american people asked to see more than 2 years of romneys??

    oh that is right...


    crickets....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    MG79478 wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    MG79478 wrote:

    I'll be waiting, man up and answer...

    :lol:

    Same shit in every thread.

    Agreed, I guess it is a bit of an epidemic around here. People post something they think they believe, you pose simple question(s) to challenge them. They realize they can't answer and then they either insult you, change the subject, or just run away. It's quite comical.

    Since you are playing this card would you rather be the pot or the kettle? Just a heads up, the kettle does get called black. I know from past experience with you in a birther thread (a thread in which you were insulting, did try to change the subject, and eventually ran away from) you have a problem with black. So maybe the pot suits you better.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    :fp: :fp:

    seriously, these people are destroying the republican party. boehner and rand paul. one of their goals in this congress is the end abortion in america. i hope they keep campaigning on things like this because america is going to end up rejecting this party once and for all if they do not come back from the far right.

    let's use this thread to post articles demonstrating out of touch republican legislators and their crackpot and antiquated ideas. i'll start...


    John Boehner: Ending Abortion Is 'One Of Our Most Fundamental Goals This Year'

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 52597.html

    As hundreds of thousands of people braved sub-freezing temperatures in Washington, D.C., on Friday to join the anti-abortion protest March for Life, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) took the opportunity to reiterate his commitment to banning abortion in America for good.

    Addressing the crowd at the National Mall via video broadcast, Boehner said it's time for anti-abortion activisits to "commit ourselves to doing everything we can to protect the sanctity of life." Step one, he said, is making permanent the Hyde Amendment, which prevents federal dollars from being used to pay for abortions except in cases of rape or incest.

    "For the new Congress, that means bringing together a bipartisan pro-life majority and getting to work," Boehner said. "In accordance with the will of the people, we will again work to pass the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, formally codifying the Hyde Amendment."

    Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."

    "Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year,"     he said.

    The March for Life attracted a diverse crowd of young and old protesters from across the country. Hundreds of parents had bundled up their infants and toddlers and strapped protest signs to their strollers. Michael Kennedy, 33, and his wife Bethany, who is pregnant, drove their four children down from Westerly, Rhode Island to stand in 20-degree weather on the Mall.

    "They're troopers," Bethany told HuffPost. "We felt like we have a responsibility just to be a witness to everyone else, to see that this is life, our children. We needed to be here."

    Several lawmakers made it out to the protest to address the crowd in person. Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) touted a bill she recently introduced that would strip Title X family planning funds from Planned Parenthood, and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) delivered a sermon that called for a "spiritual cleansing."

    "Our nation is adrift, adrift in a wilderness where right and wrong have become subservient to a hedonism of the moment," Paul said. "I believe our country is in need of a spiritual cleansing    ."

    He added, "We much preach a gospel so full of compassion, a gospel so full of justice that it cannot be resisted. Then and only then will the law again protect the innocent.
    This sounds like an abortion thread because as the op you posted an article about abortion.
    I just noticed now you added the red bolded line. That might be the confusion for some.
    My mistake as well.

    Just have to add though cause I am in shock here...
    Now a fetus is being called a parasite :shock: a fetus is life, just that, a growing life ...
    now I'll hunt for some dirt on some Republicans who are not up with the times.
    Some people think the times and some people of these times need a good dose of morality.
    We can't expect everyone to agree.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    pandora wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    :fp: :fp:

    seriously, these people are destroying the republican party. boehner and rand paul. one of their goals in this congress is the end abortion in america. i hope they keep campaigning on things like this because america is going to end up rejecting this party once and for all if they do not come back from the far right.

    let's use this thread to post articles demonstrating out of touch republican legislators and their crackpot and antiquated ideas. i'll start...


    John Boehner: Ending Abortion Is 'One Of Our Most Fundamental Goals This Year'

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 52597.html

    As hundreds of thousands of people braved sub-freezing temperatures in Washington, D.C., on Friday to join the anti-abortion protest March for Life, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) took the opportunity to reiterate his commitment to banning abortion in America for good.

    Addressing the crowd at the National Mall via video broadcast, Boehner said it's time for anti-abortion activisits to "commit ourselves to doing everything we can to protect the sanctity of life." Step one, he said, is making permanent the Hyde Amendment, which prevents federal dollars from being used to pay for abortions except in cases of rape or incest.

    "For the new Congress, that means bringing together a bipartisan pro-life majority and getting to work," Boehner said. "In accordance with the will of the people, we will again work to pass the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, formally codifying the Hyde Amendment."

    Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."

    "Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year,"     he said.

    The March for Life attracted a diverse crowd of young and old protesters from across the country. Hundreds of parents had bundled up their infants and toddlers and strapped protest signs to their strollers. Michael Kennedy, 33, and his wife Bethany, who is pregnant, drove their four children down from Westerly, Rhode Island to stand in 20-degree weather on the Mall.

    "They're troopers," Bethany told HuffPost. "We felt like we have a responsibility just to be a witness to everyone else, to see that this is life, our children. We needed to be here."

    Several lawmakers made it out to the protest to address the crowd in person. Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) touted a bill she recently introduced that would strip Title X family planning funds from Planned Parenthood, and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) delivered a sermon that called for a "spiritual cleansing."

    "Our nation is adrift, adrift in a wilderness where right and wrong have become subservient to a hedonism of the moment," Paul said. "I believe our country is in need of a spiritual cleansing    ."

    He added, "We much preach a gospel so full of compassion, a gospel so full of justice that it cannot be resisted. Then and only then will the law again protect the innocent.
    This sounds like an abortion thread because as the op you posted an article about abortion.
    I just noticed now you added the red bolded line. That might be the confusion for some.
    My mistake as well.

    Just have to add though cause I am in shock here...
    Now a fetus is being called a parasite :shock: a fetus is life, just that, a growing life ...
    now I'll hunt for some dirt on some Republicans who are not up with the times.
    Some people think the times and some people of these times need a good dose of morality.
    We can't expect everyone to agree.

    I think the confusion is understandable. Also, when a good debate breaks out it often takes on a life of its own.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    john mccain is an idiot....opposes hagel for the job, went along with filibuster, now says let the vote go on :fp:

    now lindsey graham, completely opposed to hagel, NOW says the he trusts the presiden'ts judgement...

    do these people stand for anything at all anymore?

    :crazy: :crazy:

    GOP foe of Hagel's nomination says let vote go on


    http://news.yahoo.com/gop-foe-hagels-no ... itics.html

    ..WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's pick to be defense secretary is unsuited to head the Pentagon, but Republican senators should stop stalling the nomination and allow a vote on Chuck Hagel, a leading opponent said Sunday.

    "No, I don't believe he's qualified," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. "But I don't believe that we should hold up his nomination any further, because I think it's (been) a reasonable amount to time to have questions answered."

    Republicans have angered Obama by delaying the formation of his second-term national security team, which includes Hagel, a former Republican senator from Nebraska, and John Brennan, the president's top counterterrorism adviser who's awaiting confirmation as CIA director.

    Critics contend that Hagel, who snubbed McCain by staying neutral in 2008 presidential race when McCain ran against Obama, isn't supportive enough of Israel and is unreasonably sympathetic to Iran. The nomination also became entangled in Republican lawmakers' questioning of how the White House handled the Sept. 11 attack against a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya.

    GOP senators also have challenged his past statements and votes on nuclear weapons, and his criticism of the President George W. Bush's administration lingers.

    Republicans last week held up a confirmation vote but have indicated that they eventually would relent and permit a vote when they return from their break on Feb. 25.

    Obama's chief of staff, Denis McDonough, said Hagel, a Vietnam combat veteran, said was the right person to lead the Pentagon, and "has one thing in mind: How do we protect the country?"

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, who's led the opposition with McCain to Hagel's nomination, said critics were "doing our job to scrutinize ... one of the most unqualified, radical choices for secretary of defense in a very long time."

    "But at the end of the day," said Graham, R-S.C., "this is the president's decision. I give him great discretion. I can't believe one Democratic colleague is not upset by this choice enough to speak out."

    Graham referred to a letter he received from Hagel in response to questions about past statements on Israel, and the senator said, "I'll just take him at his word, unless something new comes along."

    McDonough was on ABC's "This Week," while McCain spoke on NBC's "Meet the Press" and Graham was interviewed on "Fox News Sunday."

    ...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    mr paul, pray tell, what voters are these???

    this man is delusional :lol::lol::lol:


    Sen. Paul: Voters want to round up immigrants


    http://news.yahoo.com/sen-paul-voters-w ... itics.html

    ..WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican senator says he sees some in his party favoring a 2016 presidential candidate with an immigration policy that would "round people up ... and send them back to Mexico."

    Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky on Sunday said he would be a presidential candidate if he thought he could win. The tea party favorite says he sees an opening for a "libertarian Republican narrative" to help the GOP win on the West Coast and New England.

    Paul says people want a party that's "less aggressive on foreign policy" and drug laws. Paul says he sees voters wanting, quote, "somebody who wants to round people up, put in camps and send them back to Mexico."

    A Paul spokeswoman, Moira Bagley, didn't offer further explanation.

    Paul spoke on "Fox News Sunday."

    ...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,333
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    john mccain is an idiot....opposes hagel for the job, went along with filibuster, now says let the vote go on :fp:

    now lindsey graham, completely opposed to hagel, NOW says the he trusts the presiden'ts judgement...

    do these people stand for anything at all anymore?

    :crazy: :crazy:

    GOP foe of Hagel's nomination says let vote go on


    http://news.yahoo.com/gop-foe-hagels-no ... itics.html

    ..WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's pick to be defense secretary is unsuited to head the Pentagon, but Republican senators should stop stalling the nomination and allow a vote on Chuck Hagel, a leading opponent said Sunday.

    "No, I don't believe he's qualified," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. "But I don't believe that we should hold up his nomination any further, because I think it's (been) a reasonable amount to time to have questions answered."

    Republicans have angered Obama by delaying the formation of his second-term national security team, which includes Hagel, a former Republican senator from Nebraska, and John Brennan, the president's top counterterrorism adviser who's awaiting confirmation as CIA director.

    Critics contend that Hagel, who snubbed McCain by staying neutral in 2008 presidential race when McCain ran against Obama, isn't supportive enough of Israel and is unreasonably sympathetic to Iran. The nomination also became entangled in Republican lawmakers' questioning of how the White House handled the Sept. 11 attack against a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya.

    GOP senators also have challenged his past statements and votes on nuclear weapons, and his criticism of the President George W. Bush's administration lingers.

    Republicans last week held up a confirmation vote but have indicated that they eventually would relent and permit a vote when they return from their break on Feb. 25.

    Obama's chief of staff, Denis McDonough, said Hagel, a Vietnam combat veteran, said was the right person to lead the Pentagon, and "has one thing in mind: How do we protect the country?"

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, who's led the opposition with McCain to Hagel's nomination, said critics were "doing our job to scrutinize ... one of the most unqualified, radical choices for secretary of defense in a very long time."

    "But at the end of the day," said Graham, R-S.C., "this is the president's decision. I give him great discretion. I can't believe one Democratic colleague is not upset by this choice enough to speak out."

    Graham referred to a letter he received from Hagel in response to questions about past statements on Israel, and the senator said, "I'll just take him at his word, unless something new comes along."

    McDonough was on ABC's "This Week," while McCain spoke on NBC's "Meet the Press" and Graham was interviewed on "Fox News Sunday."

    ...
    I'll admit, I'm not very well informed, but doesnt any cabinet head to cues from the pres on what is to be doen and how?

    I fail to see the merit in this argument about his personal views on a given topic. Further, differing opinion serves us, the people, better in the long run.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    like this has a chance...

    lindsey graham wants to avoid sequestration by repealing obamacare.

    i'm sorry man, but the american people are warming to the affordable care act, and it is legal via supreme court decision. come up with another way senator. and nice way to deflect potential blame by the way. your party is unwilling to listen to common sense solutions and will do anything to keep tax cuts in place for the rich, so you are gonna get the blame for this.


    Sen. Lindsey Graham: Sacrifice Obamacare To Avoid Sequester

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/1 ... 06404.html

    To avoid a March 1 sequester, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) suggested on Fox News Sunday that Congress save money by cutting the Affordable Care Act instead.

    "Here's my belief: Let's take Obamacare and put it on the table," he said. "People are leaving the private sector because their companies can't afford to offer Obamacare. If you want to look at ways to find $1.2 trillion in savings over the next decade, let's look at Obamacare. Let's don't destroy the military and just cut blindly across the board."

    The White House recently released a fact sheet detailing the devastating effect a sequester could have on the economy if Congress fails to pass spending cuts by March 1, including a reduction in loan guarantees to small businesses by $900 million. The blame, Fox News anchor Chris Wallace pointed out on Sunday, would likely fall on Republicans, who are digging in their heels to protect tax cuts.

    Graham said the blame should fall on President Obama, who "came up with the idea of sequestration.    "

    "The president promised this wouldn't happen," Graham said. "He's the commander in chief, and on his watch we're going to begin to unravel the finest military in the history of the world at the time we need it most."
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,333
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    like this has a chance...

    lindsey graham wants to avoid sequestration by repealing obamacare.

    i'm sorry man, but the american people are warming to the affordable care act, and it is legal via supreme court decision. come up with another way senator. and nice way to deflect potential blame by the way. your party is unwilling to listen to common sense solutions and will do anything to keep tax cuts in place for the rich, so you are gonna get the blame for this.


    Sen. Lindsey Graham: Sacrifice Obamacare To Avoid Sequester

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/1 ... 06404.html

    To avoid a March 1 sequester, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) suggested on Fox News Sunday that Congress save money by cutting the Affordable Care Act instead.

    "Here's my belief: Let's take Obamacare and put it on the table," he said. "People are leaving the private sector because their companies can't afford to offer Obamacare. If you want to look at ways to find $1.2 trillion in savings over the next decade, let's look at Obamacare. Let's don't destroy the military and just cut blindly across the board."

    The White House recently released a fact sheet detailing the devastating effect a sequester could have on the economy if Congress fails to pass spending cuts by March 1, including a reduction in loan guarantees to small businesses by $900 million. The blame, Fox News anchor Chris Wallace pointed out on Sunday, would likely fall on Republicans, who are digging in their heels to protect tax cuts.

    Graham said the blame should fall on President Obama, who "came up with the idea of sequestration.    "

    "The president promised this wouldn't happen," Graham said. "He's the commander in chief, and on his watch we're going to begin to unravel the finest military in the history of the world at the time we need it most."
    and agreed to by both house and senate?
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  • MG79478
    MG79478 Posts: 1,726
    mickeyrat wrote:
    In Genesis 2 God forms "Adam" (this time meaning a single male human) out of "the dust of the ground" and then "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", causing him to "become a living soul" (Genesis 2:7). God then placed Adam in the Garden of Eden, giving him the commandment that "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:16-17).

    Wow, more distraction! I can't say I am surpised.
    JimmyV wrote:
    Since you are playing this card would you rather be the pot or the kettle? Just a heads up, the kettle does get called black. I know from past experience with you in a birther thread (a thread in which you were insulting, did try to change the subject, and eventually ran away from) you have a problem with black. So maybe the pot suits you better.

    :crazy:

    I knew the crazy smilie would come in handy some day!
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mr paul, pray tell, what voters are these???

    this man is delusional :lol::lol::lol:


    Sen. Paul: Voters want to round up immigrants


    http://news.yahoo.com/sen-paul-voters-w ... itics.html

    ..WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican senator says he sees some in his party favoring a 2016 presidential candidate with an immigration policy that would "round people up ... and send them back to Mexico."

    Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky on Sunday said he would be a presidential candidate if he thought he could win. The tea party favorite says he sees an opening for a "libertarian Republican narrative" to help the GOP win on the West Coast and New England.

    Paul says people want a party that's "less aggressive on foreign policy" and drug laws. Paul says he sees voters wanting, quote, "somebody who wants to round people up, put in camps and send them back to Mexico."

    A Paul spokeswoman, Moira Bagley, didn't offer further explanation.

    Paul spoke on "Fox News Sunday."

    ...

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... immigrants


    actually said
    "They don't want somebody who wants to round people up, put them in camps and send them back to Mexico."
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    from the same article...


    Now in fairness to the AP, the transcript still available at FoxNews.com does indeed read:


    PAUL: I think people want a party that's a little bit less aggressive on foreign policy, still believes in a strong national defense but less aggressive. They want -- the young people want politicians who don't want them in jail for 20 years for a nonviolent drug position charge. So, they want a little bit different phase. I think people want a little different phase on immigration frankly. They want someone somebody who wants to round people up, put in camps and send them back to Mexico.


    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2LLzVl546

    i don't see very many republicans at all wanting to be less aggressive on foreign policy. especially those in the tea party. they are hawks, yet most of them did not serve. the neocons have infiltrated the tea party. the gop establishement like lindsey graham said obama is "destroying the us military" with these budget cuts. the gop wants to cut everything BUT the military. and that flies in the face of what rand paul just said in this paragraph,
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    from the same article...


    Now in fairness to the AP, the transcript still available at FoxNews.com does indeed read:


    PAUL: I think people want a party that's a little bit less aggressive on foreign policy, still believes in a strong national defense but less aggressive. They want -- the young people want politicians who don't want them in jail for 20 years for a nonviolent drug position charge. So, they want a little bit different phase. I think people want a little different phase on immigration frankly. They want someone somebody who wants to round people up, put in camps and send them back to Mexico.


    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2LLzVl546

    i don't see very many republicans at all wanting to be less aggressive on foreign policy. especially those in the tea party. they are hawks, yet most of them did not serve. the neocons have infiltrated the tea party. the gop establishement like lindsey graham said obama is "destroying the us military" with these budget cuts. the gop wants to cut everything BUT the military. and that flies in the face of what rand paul just said in this paragraph,


    neo-cons are the worst.

    I agree and originally put in the piece about fox news leaving it out, but wanted that discussion to happen after people realized, as dumb as Rand Paul can be at times, he didn't say that.

    I think he was referring to people/voters in the west and in new england that indeed do believe in those things. I think he is trying to gather any momentum his father created, which was a pretty loyal following as you know. The interesting thing is that the party's leaders at the grass roots level, county commissioners, state leaders and the like have been infiltrated with "liberty" minded people (their words). So in the sense of a fair shake to those ideas, we might actually get one in 2016. Who knows...I am looking forward to the day when people BELIEVE there are more choices than dem or rep...they are already there, but people need to believe in a different system of voting.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    from the same article...


    Now in fairness to the AP, the transcript still available at FoxNews.com does indeed read:


    PAUL: I think people want a party that's a little bit less aggressive on foreign policy, still believes in a strong national defense but less aggressive. They want -- the young people want politicians who don't want them in jail for 20 years for a nonviolent drug position charge. So, they want a little bit different phase. I think people want a little different phase on immigration frankly. They want someone somebody who wants to round people up, put in camps and send them back to Mexico.


    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2LLzVl546

    i don't see very many republicans at all wanting to be less aggressive on foreign policy. especially those in the tea party. they are hawks, yet most of them did not serve. the neocons have infiltrated the tea party. the gop establishement like lindsey graham said obama is "destroying the us military" with these budget cuts. the gop wants to cut everything BUT the military. and that flies in the face of what rand paul just said in this paragraph,


    neo-cons are the worst.

    I agree and originally put in the piece about fox news leaving it out, but wanted that discussion to happen after people realized, as dumb as Rand Paul can be at times, he didn't say that.

    I think he was referring to people/voters in the west and in new england that indeed do believe in those things. I think he is trying to gather any momentum his father created, which was a pretty loyal following as you know. The interesting thing is that the party's leaders at the grass roots level, county commissioners, state leaders and the like have been infiltrated with "liberty" minded people (their words). So in the sense of a fair shake to those ideas, we might actually get one in 2016. Who knows...I am looking forward to the day when people BELIEVE there are more choices than dem or rep...they are already there, but people need to believe in a different system of voting.
    i agree with you on neo cons. but to my eyes, the tea party and "liberty minded folks" are exactly the same as neo cons, except instead of imposing their wills internationally, they are trying to do it domestically. i think both are dangerous. the irony is that a lot of the "liberty minded folks" are on some sort of government assistance. from what i read and have heard from some of these folks, it is ok for THEM to get assistance, but fuck everyone else.

    and the AP dropped the ball on this one. it is their job to catch things like misquotes.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    from the same article...


    Now in fairness to the AP, the transcript still available at FoxNews.com does indeed read:


    PAUL: I think people want a party that's a little bit less aggressive on foreign policy, still believes in a strong national defense but less aggressive. They want -- the young people want politicians who don't want them in jail for 20 years for a nonviolent drug position charge. So, they want a little bit different phase. I think people want a little different phase on immigration frankly. They want someone somebody who wants to round people up, put in camps and send them back to Mexico.


    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2LLzVl546

    i don't see very many republicans at all wanting to be less aggressive on foreign policy. especially those in the tea party. they are hawks, yet most of them did not serve. the neocons have infiltrated the tea party. the gop establishement like lindsey graham said obama is "destroying the us military" with these budget cuts. the gop wants to cut everything BUT the military. and that flies in the face of what rand paul just said in this paragraph,


    neo-cons are the worst.

    I agree and originally put in the piece about fox news leaving it out, but wanted that discussion to happen after people realized, as dumb as Rand Paul can be at times, he didn't say that.

    I think he was referring to people/voters in the west and in new england that indeed do believe in those things. I think he is trying to gather any momentum his father created, which was a pretty loyal following as you know. The interesting thing is that the party's leaders at the grass roots level, county commissioners, state leaders and the like have been infiltrated with "liberty" minded people (their words). So in the sense of a fair shake to those ideas, we might actually get one in 2016. Who knows...I am looking forward to the day when people BELIEVE there are more choices than dem or rep...they are already there, but people need to believe in a different system of voting.
    i agree with you on neo cons. but to my eyes, the tea party and "liberty minded folks" are exactly the same as neo cons, except instead of imposing their wills internationally, they are trying to do it domestically. i think both are dangerous. the irony is that a lot of the "liberty minded folks" are on some sort of government assistance. from what i read and have heard from some of these folks, it is ok for THEM to get assistance, but fuck everyone else.

    and the AP dropped the ball on this one. it is their job to catch things like misquotes.

    Yeah, I would have thought the AP would have been chomping at the bit to write about the misquote from Fox "news" rather than what they misquoted :lol:

    the part in bold is the crux of politics isn't it (and the largets problem I have with the federal gov't in general)?...it is the idea of I as a gov't official get to tell the public what they need and want? The federal gov't imposes its will all the time.
    I would be careful to lump neo con ruined tea party rallies in with the same groups of people that got Ron Paul Caucus wins...they aren't the same in any way shape or form. Those are the voters that the republican party should start trying to appeal too...the neo con tea party morons will always vote republican no matter what the parties platform reads...It is too bad that movement got so far co-opted...I mean, do you think if the GOP platform suddenly switched to legalizing Marijuana and dropping the federal marriage rules fight that they would suddenly turn democrat? The party needs to grow up even if the people who vote for them won't. Rand is talking about just those types of people, the ones who don't Boo the Golden Rule
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=neo ... ORM=NVPFVR
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Yeah, I would have thought the AP would have been chomping at the bit to write about the misquote from Fox "news" rather than what they misquoted :lol:

    the part in bold is the crux of politics isn't it (and the largets problem I have with the federal gov't in general)?...it is the idea of I as a gov't official get to tell the public what they need and want? The federal gov't imposes its will all the time.
    I would be careful to lump neo con ruined tea party rallies in with the same groups of people that got Ron Paul Caucus wins...they aren't the same in any way shape or form. Those are the voters that the republican party should start trying to appeal too...the neo con tea party morons will always vote republican no matter what the parties platform reads...It is too bad that movement got so far co-opted...I mean, do you think if the GOP platform suddenly switched to legalizing Marijuana and dropping the federal marriage rules fight that they would suddenly turn democrat? The party needs to grow up even if the people who vote for them won't. Rand is talking about just those types of people, the ones who don't Boo the Golden Rule
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=neo ... ORM=NVPFVR
    (oldie but a goodie)
    both parties seem to pander to the "low hanging fruit", as in the party faithful. neither party tries to branch out to the undecided or voters that can be swayed from one side to the other. that is the problem. everyone is so entrenched on their side that any attempt at compromise is viewed negatively by the majority of each party. it is quite frustrating...
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,021
    here is another waste of time of a bill. "yeah, i am going to propose a bill that if you try to even bring up a debate or propose a bill that would make something illegal, you would be guilty of a felony."

    :fp:

    this dude's district is about 20 miles from my house...


    Missouri Bill Makes It A Felony For Lawmakers To Propose Gun Safety Legislation

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/0 ... ?mobile=nc

    By Ian Millhiser on Feb 19, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Yesterday, Missouri state Rep. Mike Leara (R) proposed legislation making it a felony for lawmakers to so much as propose many bills regulating guns. Leara’s bill provides that “[a]ny member of the general assembly who proposes a piece of legislation that further restricts the right of an individual to bear arms, as set forth under the second amendment of the Constitution of the United States, shall be guilty of a class D felony.”
    There are many problems with this bill, not the least of which is the fact that the scope of the Second Amendment is very much in flux. Last week, the NRA announced it would launch of blizzard of litigation intended to expand gun rights while the courts are still controlled by very conservative judges. So a lawmaker who introduces legislation that is perfectly constitutional could conceivably find that their bill suddenly violates a new understanding of the Second Amendment after the NRA wins another lawsuit — and thus could suddenly be hit with felony charges.

    The biggest problem with the bill, however, is that it almost certainly violates the Missouri Constitution, which provides that “enators and representatives . . . shall not be questioned for any speech or debate in either house in any other place.” Although there are very few court decisions interpreting this clause in the Missouri Constitution, the United States Constitution contains a parallel clause guaranteeing that federal lawmakers shall not be called to account for “any Speech or Debate in either House” of Congress, and courts commonly interpret parallel provisions of state and the U.S. Constitution to have similar meanings.

    In United States v. Johnson the Supreme Court explained that this “Speech or Debate” clause of the Constitution is intended to prevent the “instigation of criminal charges against critical or disfavored legislators by the executive in a judicial forum” by giving them broad immunity to prosecutions for their official actions. Moreover the clause does not simply protect lawmakers engaged in literal speech or debate, but it also ensures that they will remain unmolested for actions “generally done in a session of the House by one of its members in relation to the business before it.” Thus, a lawmaker’s decision to introduce a bill for consideration by the legislature is protected by the Speech and Debate clause, and they cannot be subject to prosecution for this act.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    I think the headline is a bit deceptive because you don't need to be a libertarian to boo a rightwing nutjob for calling libertarians pussies.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/22/ann_cou ... ertarians/

    During a debate with Fox Business’ John Stossel, Ann Coulter got booed after reportedly calling libertarians “p*ssies” and saying that gay people can get married, “They have to marry a member of the opposite sex.”

    Stossel was filming his show at the International Students for Liberty Conference in Washington, D.C., with around 1400 libertarian students in attendance, according to Mediaite’s Andrew Kirell. When Stossel brought up the drug war, Coulter scoffed, and reportedly (though it was bleeped out) said, “this is why people think libertarians are p*ssies.”
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