out of touch republicans

Staceb10

I actually don't disagree that some Republicans are out of touch socially and that is killing the party. At least I think it hurt them in the last election.

MG79478

Staceb10 wrote:

I actually don't disagree that some Republicans are out of touch socially and that is killing the party. At least I think it hurt them in the last election.

I think you are 100% correct, they are out of touch socially, but the problem is social issues really don't matter. All they are is distraction from the real issues at hand, and given the results of the last election, people bought the strategy.

gimmesometruth27

MG79478 wrote:

Staceb10 wrote:

I actually don't disagree that some Republicans are out of touch socially and that is killing the party. At least I think it hurt them in the last election.

I think you are 100% correct, they are out of touch socially, but the problem is social issues really don't matter. All they are is distraction from the real issues at hand, and given the results of the last election, people bought the strategy.

to you, what are the real issues that we are missing?

Staceb10

MG79478 wrote:

Staceb10 wrote:

I actually don't disagree that some Republicans are out of touch socially and that is killing the party. At least I think it hurt them in the last election.

I think you are 100% correct, they are out of touch socially, but the problem is social issues really don't matter. All they are is distraction from the real issues at hand, and given the results of the last election, people bought the strategy.

Exactly. I am more worried about the economy and my rights under the constitution than I am about abortions and gay marriage.

gimmesometruth27

and i am more worried about a bunch of religious zealots and anti government tea partiers running things in this country. their idealogy was throughly beaten back in november, yet they are still doing what got them defeated. they are out of touch domestically, economically, and are ethnocentric, misogynistic, and xenophobic.

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Staceb10 wrote:

I actually don't disagree that some Republicans are out of touch socially and that is killing the party. At least I think it hurt them in the last election.

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The current Republican party has driven moderate Republicans away (towards Independents, mostly Libertarian). The first mistake... attaching themselves to the Christian Coalition. They are those people who watch the Super Bowl like a hawk and hope that a tit pops out so they can be offended and bitch about it. In other words, the crazy people.
That has lead to the fact that in order to gain the nomination of the party, they have to say crazy shit to make these crazy people happy. When it comes to the General Election, the candidate has to then, talk to the sane people to get their votes... but, all that crazy shit they said in the primaries comes back to bite them in the ass.
We saw proof of this when Mitt Romney was only the Republican front runner after the crazy people (Michelle Bachmann, Rick Parry, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich) ran out of money.
The Republican Party needs to step out if the image of 1954 that was created by television and into the 21st Centrury. And the first step is to drop the lunatic fringe as its base.

pandora

President Obama was here today. He gave a speech about early childhood education
to teachers and kids too I think. I caught some of it in on our radio news channel.

It was really a good speech, made some good funnies too about when kids grow up.
He wants to guarantee all 4 year olds in our country a pre k education opportunity
to get them all on the same level once they get to public school.

He talked about how quickly we can lose students who can't keep up, then don't try.
Made some great points. We have a good program here and should be set as an example
though I think we lost some local funding for it in recent cuts.
Its a great idea. Hope there is some money for it in the Federal Budget.

gimmesometruth27

well they filibustered hagel. what a shock :roll:

all of this bullshit political theater only to get him approved in 10 days.

the gop in congress are a laughingstock now. anybody who is halfway paying any sort of attention to the proceedings can see that.

same party, same ideas, same legislative results as usual...nothing...

MG79478

Staceb10 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

Staceb10 wrote:

I actually don't disagree that some Republicans are out of touch socially and that is killing the party. At least I think it hurt them in the last election.

I think you are 100% correct, they are out of touch socially, but the problem is social issues really don't matter. All they are is distraction from the real issues at hand, and given the results of the last election, people bought the strategy.

Exactly. I am more worried about the economy and my rights under the constitution than I am about abortions and gay marriage.

BINGO! We have a winner.

The Democrat strategy is divide the electorate in to groups, tell them that they are discriminated against, and then offer them stuff (entitlements or legislation) in exchange for their votes. The best part is, each group gets so focused on their pet issue, that they don't see the big picture. I literally had a converstaion on election day with someone who was going to vote for Obama, who hated the direction the country was headed and blamed him, but thought he had a better stance on social issues. It blew my mind.

The country may be failing, but at least you can marry your toaster!

MG79478

mickeyrat wrote:

Well it would be most helpful to start with if an agreed upon definition of life was had. As I can readily see we are in complete disagreement there. No further need to keep going back and forth. I stated a loose definition. You stated another. Seems there is no way to reach any kind of consensus. So why try?

By the way, nice dodge of my question with your nonanswer deflection. I'll be sure to steer clear of you, who cant seem to answer a direct question with a direct answer. Good day.

In other words, you are outgunned and are smart enough to avoid me. I respsonded to your question by proving it be moot. Yet for like the fifth time, you dance around my questions. It takes some balls to project your behaviors on me.

JimmyV

MG79478 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Well it would be most helpful to start with if an agreed upon definition of life was had. As I can readily see we are in complete disagreement there. No further need to keep going back and forth. I stated a loose definition. You stated another. Seems there is no way to reach any kind of consensus. So why try?

By the way, nice dodge of my question with your nonanswer deflection. I'll be sure to steer clear of you, who cant seem to answer a direct question with a direct answer. Good day.

In other words, you are outgunned and are smart enough to avoid me. I respsonded to your question by proving it be moot. Yet for like the fifth time, you dance around my questions. It takes some balls to project your behaviors on me.

You declared it to be moot, most likely because you did not have an answer for it. You proved nothing.

Mickeyrat offered to agree to disagree and you lash out like this? Classless behavior.

JimmyV

Andrew Sullivan on the Hagel debacle:

"No entity in our polity right now is more radical and revolutionary than the current GOP: their contempt for institutional custom knows few bounds when it comes to the short-term tactical possibility of impeding even a newly re-elected president, after losing the popular vote for the presidency, Senate and House. The whole concept of putting country before party is that sometimes you take the long national view rather than the short partisan one. You give the other party a chance to govern, as the Democrats did Reagan. But the anti-conservative revolutionary party that Gingrich began and Kristol egged on is now in its zombie stage – with no viable way back to majority status but lunging slowly and malevolently toward anything that is not far right. That includes the Constitution and its evolved customs and parliamentary traditions."

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/02/ ... stage-ctd/

MG79478

JimmyV wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Well it would be most helpful to start with if an agreed upon definition of life was had. As I can readily see we are in complete disagreement there. No further need to keep going back and forth. I stated a loose definition. You stated another. Seems there is no way to reach any kind of consensus. So why try?

By the way, nice dodge of my question with your nonanswer deflection. I'll be sure to steer clear of you, who cant seem to answer a direct question with a direct answer. Good day.

In other words, you are outgunned and are smart enough to avoid me. I respsonded to your question by proving it be moot. Yet for like the fifth time, you dance around my questions. It takes some balls to project your behaviors on me.

You declared it to be moot, most likely because you did not have an answer for it. You proved nothing.

Mickeyrat offered to agree to disagree and you lash out like this? Classless behavior.

Why do you consider me calling him out on his behaviors lashing out? That is ridiculous! He continually has dodged my questions, and only responded with "answer my question". The discussion was “when does life begin”, and all he can talk about is a "fetus not being able love outside the womb because it can't breathe on its own." But if it will die outside the womb, it's already ALIVE! Thus his “breathing” question he keeps harping on is moot. There is no agreeing to disagree when he himself has proven my point; it's not an option you can take to get out of being wrong! If you would have actually read the posts before you decided to comment, you would have realized that. But thanks for the super classy personal attack!

dancepartner

It took me an hour to read this thread & that's the short of it only cuz I forgo video links; (they don't load very well on hotel servers).
3 issues going on (at least)
1) war on women -- or not.
2) republicans in demise.
3) Brown & Katrina, Hagel, Ron Paul & Rand, Rubio.

Someone said way back in this thread something about all this insanity has got to stop & I'd say this is one thing we can all agree on.
So this thread typifies for me why insanity stays the course & why our governance keeps stalling out. To me, this single thread depicts the basic mindset of what 'free & educated" (industrialized nations) masses look like nowadays; that it's not just an American exclusive condition -- not just our ruling cadre's either.
For me, the resultant insanity-stall clearly stems from such a bombardment of data; such a mountain slide deluge of information overload. And within seconds, any of us can google-clip & u-tube another mountainous heap. We now have state-of-the-art fodder in which to power-punch bait & switch tactics, to deflect from key issues that need premier focus.
It's as though we seem more predisposed to present opposing views rather than consensus building.
We seem predisposed to complain about how our ruling duo succumbs to this but it doesn't appear as though we see our own reflection in that.

How then, can we expect effective change on the governing scale when we provide a perfect example of how to shirk that responsibility?
Someones quote; something about a peoples governing is only as good as the people require.

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