Ex Cop in LA rampage......
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None of us will ever understand why he did it. Even if one of us was a murderer or had the capability to murder innocent people, we still wouldnt understand. We can ask questions though, and guess on his motives. But in the end, we all agree that what he did was wrong. Would any one of us had done the same things he did if we were in his shoes? I hope not, so no, we cant understand. What we can hope for is that if someone is in his position again, that perhaps they have enough wits to approach their conundrum in a different manner than murder. There are many ways to expose corruption. Its quite possible he was just another madman that wanted media limelight attention.. who knows?Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0
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PJ_Soul wrote:
Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.pandora wrote:I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.
10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.
Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.
Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.
Walk a mile.
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...0 -
pandora wrote:
What some experience and are driven to speak to actions.
Motives for why someone does something in their life speaks to heart.
Both apply to killers.
Since I have absolutely no idea what this means, I'll duck out of this conversation now.0 -
Cosmo wrote:
...Cliffy6745 wrote:You understand why someone murdered innocent people?
My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.
Dorner loses all sympathy with his cause when he sneeks up from behind and murders two people sitting in a parked car after having dinner. He loses more when he pull alongside a police cruiser and opens fire on them.
Any sympathy for his cause is lost... even if it was a just cause... when he murders people in cold blood.
The SAME way terrorists lose sympathy for their causes when they blow up innocent people in the name of their cause. Their cause is tainted when stained in blood.
Could not agree more0 -
You are not really feeling him. Take it through his adult life.PJ_Soul wrote:
I guess that's where the gap is... understanding why he did it. Not sure how you can understand that. I understand what he was possibly dealing with in the police force... I understand that he was experiencing a lot of frustration, and that he was very disillusioned, and I understand that he felt something needs to be done to stop police corruption and/or abuse of power .... That does NOT lead to me understanding why he felt those feelings justified killing people and initiating a nationwide manhunt and then terrorizing people for their car, etc etc etc.pandora wrote:
that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understandingPJ_Soul wrote:It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.
Who he was, what he worked for, what was important to him. His history a good one.
Remember he was spoken highly of, a good man. Those who knew him many said so.
He thought the brotherhood of officers was trustworthy. Then he saw they were not.
He did what was right.
He was fired, called a liar when he told the truth.
His life was not only ruined but his dreams, goals, who he saw himself as and most important
what the world then saw him as ... unjustly. He spoke of his name taken from him.
His honor. They took his life away from him for fighting against corruption.
He had no life ahead of him.
That leads me to understand his actions. They will never be the right actions of course
but I understand them. It leads me to understand his motives as well.
The interviews I heard he was only kind to all citizens he came up against.
A madman so ruthless as portrayed would have left bodies in his wake, he was neither,
but he was on a mission to send a message of change. Do we think it could be possible
the next time the corrupt think to fire someone telling the truth they will think twice,
I don't know. But to allow them to go unpunished and continue to abuse power
is as wrong as what this guy did.0 -
What's wrong with you? Can I not have my opinion? Is it baiting to give a different opinion?Jeanwah wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:
Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.pandora wrote:I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.
10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.
Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.
Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.
Walk a mile.
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...
that's sad Jeanwah even for you. This happens to be how I feel about this person, this subject,
this tragedy, so if you don't mind allow me to speak without your snide comments. I allow you,
God knows.0 -
There is NO understanding for what he did. None.
For fucks sake, Egypt just overthrew one of the most corrupt regimes in the world with a largely nonviolent revolution.
If the people of Egypt can take down Mubarak without violence, Dorner can certainly get his word out there without violence.
There is no understanding. There are no excuses.
Lives are ruined. Families are ruined. People's worlds were thrown up side down.
Fuck understanding.0 -
Yes it's basic to understanding people,Cliffy6745 wrote:pandora wrote:
What some experience and are driven to speak to actions.
Motives for why someone does something in their life speaks to heart.
Both apply to killers.
Since I have absolutely no idea what this means, I'll duck out of this conversation now.
we are the sum of what others do to us, what we experience, and what we do to others.
All killers are not the same, not all murder black and white. But like Jonny said we all agree
all murder is wrong.0 -
pandora wrote:
What's wrong with you? Can I not have my opinion? Is it baiting to give a different opinion?Jeanwah wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...
that's sad Jeanwah even for you. This happens to be how I feel about this person, this subject,
this tragedy, so if you don't mind allow me to speak without your snide comments. I allow you,
God knows.
It's baiting. Going extremely against the grain for the sake of egging people on.0 -
pandora wrote:You are not really feeling him. Take it through his adult life.
Who he was, what he worked for, what was important to him. His history a good one.
Remember he was spoken highly of, a good man. Those who knew him many said so.
He thought the brotherhood of officers was trustworthy. Then he saw they were not.
He did what was right.
He was fired, called a liar when he told the truth.
His life was not only ruined but his dreams, goals, who he saw himself as and most important
what the world then saw him as ... unjustly. He spoke of his name taken from him.
His honor. They took his life away from him for fighting against corruption.
He had no life ahead of him.
That leads me to understand his actions. They will never be the right actions of course
but I understand them. It leads me to understand his motives as well.
The interviews I heard he was only kind to all citizens he came up against.
A madman so ruthless as portrayed would have left bodies in his wake, he was neither,
but he was on a mission to send a message of change. Do we think it could be possible
the next time the corrupt think to fire someone telling the truth they will think twice,
Im not sure how you can say that you can feel him or understand him, and others are not.pandora wrote:I don't know. But to allow them to go unpunished and continue to abuse power
is as wrong as what this guy did.
NO WAY!!! NO NO NO.. just no.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
pandora wrote:
What's wrong with you? Can I not have my opinion? Is it baiting to give a different opinion?Jeanwah wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...
that's sad Jeanwah even for you. This happens to be how I feel about this person, this subject,
this tragedy, so if you don't mind allow me to speak without your snide comments. I allow you,
God knows.
If I remember the guidelines, getting personal is against them. So is baiting.0 -
i totally agree.Cliffy6745 wrote:There is NO understanding for what he did. None.
For fucks sake, Egypt just overthrew one of the most corrupt regimes in the world with a largely nonviolent revolution.
If the people of Egypt can take down Mubarak without violence, Dorner can certainly get his word out there without violence.
There is no understanding. There are no excuses.
Lives are ruined. Families are ruined. People's worlds were thrown up side down.
Fuck understanding.
nonviolence is the best way. it is hard to get public sympathy and support when you are killing people."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
How would you suggest Dorner go about doing that?Cliffy6745 wrote:There is NO understanding for what he did. None.
For fucks sake, Egypt just overthrew one of the most corrupt regimes in the world with a largely nonviolent revolution.
If the people of Egypt can take down Mubarak without violence, Dorner can certainly get his word out there without violence.
There is no understanding. There are no excuses.
Lives are ruined. Families are ruined. People's worlds were thrown up side down.
Fuck understanding.
Do you think a whistle blower would live long against a corrupt police force?
It was we see most important to him to make the father suffer as he has.
His hate for him especially, we can see who he blamed the most for his demise.
That father living with choices he himself made as well.0 -
pandora wrote:The interviews I heard he was only kind to all citizens he came up against.
A madman so ruthless as portrayed would have left bodies in his wake, he was neither,
but he was on a mission to send a message of change. Do we think it could be possible
the next time the corrupt think to fire someone telling the truth they will think twice,
I don't know. But to allow them to go unpunished and continue to abuse power
is as wrong as what this guy did.
Holy fuck, I am speechless.
Almost speechless that is
I would like to rephrase this and say that maybe in the future people who think about going on a killing spree to make a point may think twice so they don't come to a very violent burning death in a desolate cabin like this asshole did.
And no, abusing power is not nearly as bad as murdering innocent people. You are twisted.
It's like every fucking post you try to out do your last.0 -
and since most of us know how this thread is going to end, i'm gonna bow out now before it starts to feel like groundhog day again..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
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pandora wrote:
How would you suggest Dorner go about doing that?Cliffy6745 wrote:There is NO understanding for what he did. None.
For fucks sake, Egypt just overthrew one of the most corrupt regimes in the world with a largely nonviolent revolution.
If the people of Egypt can take down Mubarak without violence, Dorner can certainly get his word out there without violence.
There is no understanding. There are no excuses.
Lives are ruined. Families are ruined. People's worlds were thrown up side down.
Fuck understanding.
Do you think a whistle blower would live long against a corrupt police force?
It was we see most important to him to make the father suffer as he has.
His hate for him especially, we can see who he blamed the most for his demise.
That father living with choices he himself made as well.
That father chose to have his daugther murdered?
And I just gave an example of how he go about it. Similar to the way the country of Egypt went about it. We live in a world where everyone is connected. If he wanted to get his word out he could have...EASILY. And we also live in a world where corruption is a hot topic. People love a good corruption story. The fact is, he is a sociopath who wanted to murder people and this was his excuse.0 -
Cause I haven't heard much understanding have you? Awful lot of ugly words, though.JonnyPistachio wrote:Im not sure how you can say that you can feel him or understand him, and others are not.
And corrupt police do very bad things Jonny and continue to above the law.0
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