Ex Cop in LA rampage......

chadwick · February 2013

basically he is weak in the head & heart... he is a straight up coward & one cold blooded ruthless killer who had mental problems that was not ever known until pushed over his little edge... weak, weak, and weak. the dude is a frickin baby.

chadwick · February 2013

who gives a fuck if other cops are corrupt? be the good guy cop & in 25 years you may run the LAPD. but noooo he was weak minded & weak hearted. he snitched & it all crumbled & he caved in to his bullshit little mentally ill demons. frickin baby...

PJ_Soul · February 2013

chadwick wrote:

who gives a fuck if other cops are corrupt? be the good guy cop & in 25 years you may run the LAPD. but noooo he was weak minded & weak hearted. he snitched & it all crumbled & he caved in to his bullshit little mentally ill demons. frickin baby...

:shock: I agree with him being weak minded and weak hearted... But you seem to be criticizing cops who "snitch" (aka do the right thing) when other cops are corrupt, and with that I STRONGLY disagree. Cops need to get rid of that mentality where they MUST stand with ALL other cops, no matter how bad they are. Cops should also be policing within their own ranks! ... and then ALSO policed from outside of their ranks... those would be the ones that good cops go to when they need to report the bad ones.

chadwick · February 2013

i didn't say stand with other corrupt cops.

he fixed his own wagon

:shock: sooo shocked

yep he fucked himself & many others by being a dumb-asshole.

chadwick · February 2013

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am not surprised at all.

people find ways to defend the indefensible all the time. personally i can't defend a multiple murderer, no matter what they believe that their justification is. especially if he killed relatives of people that he had an issue with.

even the fucking mob keeps the family out of it.

which mob are you speaking of? many mob style organized crime families kill family members. mexican mafia... kill 'em all. old or new eme... on. i can't think of a single crime family of organized mafia style thugary that would not kill everyone/anyone in their path, especially to get revenge on someone...sure they'll off family members.

Cosmo · February 2013

How anyone can understand the rationale behind mudering someone... because they are related to someone who wronged them in the workplace is... well, beyond my comprehension of logic and reason.
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Read the so-called 'Manifesto'. It is not a manifesto... it is a timline account of his side of a workplace dispute that is tagged with a farewell speech. He makes some points that should be looked into regarding the conduct of L.A.P.D., but that is where all of his credibility ends.
The FACT is... he snuck up to a parked car and shot and killed a young woman, just because she was born to the man Dorner thought had misrepresented him in a workplace dispute. He also murdered a young man who had absolutely nothing to do with the workplace... other than falling in love with a young woman.
Spin in anyway you want... those are the facts.

Cosmo · February 2013

norm wrote:

his beef is with the lapd

so, he kills the daughter of his lawyer, a riverside county deputy and a san bernardino county deputy...for those of you that aren't aware (of anything) those aren't los angeles police department officers...so his vendetta against the lapd is pretty toothless

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Exactly. How much revenge did he inflict on the L.A.P.D?
None. other than the indirect sorrow he inflicted on his police representative in his case... by murdering his innocent daughter.
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Also... it has nothing to do with with corruption within the police. Rather, it is his indictment of how the L.A.P.D., rather, certain officer within the ranks of the L.A.P.D. view race. No corruption... no cover up. Just a grievence of racial misconduct by officers in the department.
All of whom, escaped without a scratch and probably got a ton of overtime pay.

pandora · February 2013

hedonist wrote:

pandora wrote:

Some people see only black and white when in the deep gray is where understanding lies.
Must I always say I don't condone the methods used but understand them.
Why?If good could come from bad, the corrupt would be punished here
instead of lying, hiding, and blaming and worst of all pretending, pretending to be good cops.
Change to this police force and probably many across the country should be demanded
in the wake of this but instead we will focus one one man's revenge cause it's so much easier.
Why feel his pain at all? Or listen to what he wanted us to do.

This isn't intended to be rude, but who asked you to clarify whether or not you condone his actions?

Of course all should be done to limit or possibly eliminate the big blue meanies. Gotta feeling some of that will come to pass.

I don't think you ever do intend to be rude. :?
Defend condone whatever it is not what I am doing I am understanding is all
and believe the life he lived up to this point, the stand he took against corruption,
deserves that from me. I am listening to him, his life as a whole, the trauma that brought
him to this place, the message he sent. The big picture that was him.
I think that is important for me to do. Others feel it is important to see what he did in his final
hours and focus on that.
I'd like to think your blue meanies as you call them, seems flippant, ever been at the hands of one?
will get whats coming to them but it will be like here in Atl, 10 guys out of counties full of cops.
It takes the inside out just what Dorner was trying to do. A change in attitude.

chadwick · February 2013

^^^say what?

pandora · February 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.

10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.

Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.

Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.

Walk a mile.

Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.

understanding not defending what he did was more than wrong,
it's just not so black and white for me

Cosmo · February 2013

Why do I have a sneaking suspecion that this thread is going to end up like Dorner? In a ball of fire that shuts down the operation.

norm · February 2013

Cosmo wrote:

Why do I have a sneaking suspecion that this thread is going to end up like Dorner? In a ball of fire that shuts down the operation.

just when i thought it was safe to go back to the train

welp http://youtu.be/VoJdb1TLLJQ

chadwick · February 2013

i'm sure it's not black & white for any of us

PJ_Soul · February 2013

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.

10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.

Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.

Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.

Walk a mile.

Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.

understanding not defending what he did was more than wrong,
it's just not so black and white for me

It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.

pandora · February 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.

that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.

Cosmo · February 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.

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Bingo!
If you understand Dorner's reasoning, you are in agreement with him. Dorner's reasoning led him to wage an asymetrical war on the L.A.P.D. because he felt he had run out of options to settle his grievences. If you understand his reasoning, you agree with the justification attached to it.
Most of us understand that he had a dispute with his co-worker and employer. He faced a board which came to a conclusion that was unsatisfactory to him.
In order to truely understand him, you HAVE to understand the facts of the dispute. Those are not available to us at this time. All we have to go on is HIS SIDE of the story. If you base your understandings on one side of a story... you possess no true understanding.

Cliffy6745 · February 2013

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.

that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.

You understand why someone murdered innocent people?

My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.

PJ_Soul · February 2013

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.

that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.

I guess that's where the gap is... understanding why he did it. Not sure how you can understand that. I understand what he was possibly dealing with in the police force... I understand that he was experiencing a lot of frustration, and that he was very disillusioned, and I understand that he felt something needs to be done to stop police corruption and/or abuse of power .... That does NOT lead to me understanding why he felt those feelings justified killing people and initiating a nationwide manhunt and then terrorizing people for their car, etc etc etc.

pandora · February 2013

Cliffy6745 wrote:

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.

that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.

You understand why someone murdered innocent people?

My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.

What some experience and are driven to speak to actions.
Motives for why someone does something in their life speaks to heart.
Both apply to killers.

Cosmo · February 2013

Cliffy6745 wrote:

You understand why someone murdered innocent people?

My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.

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Dorner loses all sympathy with his cause when he sneeks up from behind and murders two people sitting in a parked car after having dinner. He loses more when he pull alongside a police cruiser and opens fire on them.
Any sympathy for his cause is lost... even if it was a just cause... when he murders people in cold blood.
The SAME way terrorists lose sympathy for their causes when they blow up innocent people in the name of their cause. Their cause is tainted when stained in blood.

Ex Cop in LA rampage......

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