legal case for drones

mikepegg44 · February 2013

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... icans?lite

Your government working to protect you, I feel so safe

Jason P · February 2013

Message taken: Don't hang out in Yemen.

mikepegg44 · February 2013

Jason P wrote:

Message taken: Don't hang out in Yemen.

but what if I have to get away from janice?

my2hands · February 2013

i wonder when Ed and the boys will stop sucking Obama's dick?

even flow - question mark · February 2013

I wonder if a drone can suffer ptsd?

Jason P · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Message taken: Don't hang out in Yemen.

but what if I have to get away from janice?

From the Electric Mayhem?

JimmyV · February 2013

I know not many agree but this doesn't bother me in the least. What are you doing associating with Al Qaeda if you are not, directly or indirectly, plotting against the US? Plotting against your own troops? This shouldn't be a concern because it should be unthinkable that any American citizen would do this. I am not going to lose sleep over anyone who gets caught up with terrorists and pays the price.

Jason P · February 2013

JimmyV wrote:

I know not many agree but this doesn't bother me in the least. What are you doing associating with Al Qaeda if you are not, directly or indirectly, plotting against the US? Plotting against your own troops? This shouldn't be a concern because it should be unthinkable that any American citizen would do this. I am not going to lose sleep over anyone who gets caught up with terrorists and pays the price.

That is my view of the situation.

mikepegg44 · February 2013

JimmyV wrote:

I know not many agree but this doesn't bother me in the least. What are you doing associating with Al Qaeda if you are not, directly or indirectly, plotting against the US? Plotting against your own troops? This shouldn't be a concern because it should be unthinkable that any American citizen would do this. I am not going to lose sleep over anyone who gets caught up with terrorists and pays the price.

right, that is the current interpretation of this ability. That is the problem. Having this ability and considering it legal opens boundaries. As much as a piece of shit the guy they ended up killing was, was his family worth taking out as well?

I don't feel sorry for anyone plotting terrorism coming to a violent end in any capacity, if you plan to kill innocents that is what should happen...but why kill his 16 year old son two weeks later? There was no evidence that his son was a terrorist, there was no evidence he was going to commit any acts what so ever. he was a citizen and deserved better.

If an american citizen terrorist suspect gets killed while people are trying to detain or capture him that is one thing, but killing his american citizen child two weeks later without trying to arrest him for some kind of crime is disgusting.

JimmyV · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I know not many agree but this doesn't bother me in the least. What are you doing associating with Al Qaeda if you are not, directly or indirectly, plotting against the US? Plotting against your own troops? This shouldn't be a concern because it should be unthinkable that any American citizen would do this. I am not going to lose sleep over anyone who gets caught up with terrorists and pays the price.

right, that is the current interpretation of this ability. That is the problem. Having this ability and considering it legal opens boundaries. As much as a piece of shit the guy they ended up killing was, was his family worth taking out as well?

I don't feel sorry for anyone plotting terrorism coming to a violent end in any capacity, if you plan to kill innocents that is what should happen...but why kill his 16 year old son two weeks later? There was no evidence that his son was a terrorist, there was no evidence he was going to commit any acts what so ever. he was a citizen and deserved better.

If an american citizen terrorist suspect gets killed while people are trying to detain or capture him that is one thing, but killing his american citizen child two weeks later without trying to arrest him for some kind of crime is disgusting.

I understand. But was the sixteen year old son targeted or did he get caught up by being in the same room with six suspected militants? And what was he doing in that room?

gimmesometruth27 · February 2013

americans are targeted here at home every day.

how many americans are killed by police and federal agents in raids?

this is the same thing, just on foreign land and it is much "cleaner" because none of our troops are at risk. just drop a bomb on the target.

i do not support this by the way. i am against all drone use. i think they are unethical. just like snipers and land mines.

additionally, i do not think that the president or any law enforcement people should be making decisions to murder americans without trial. lack of evidence makes this even more of an abuse of power.

JimmyV · February 2013

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

americans are targeted here at home every day.

how many americans are killed by police and federal agents in raids?

this is the same thing, just on foreign land and it is much "cleaner" because none of our troops are at risk. just drop a bomb on the target.

i do not support this by the way. i am against all drone use. i think they are unethical. just like snipers and land mines.

additionally, i do not think that the president or any law enforcement people should be making decisions to murder americans without trial. lack of evidence makes this even more of an abuse of power.

Americans are not targeted to be killed everyday by police and federal agents in raids. Sometimes they are, but that is not the intent of the raid.

gimmesometruth27 · February 2013

JimmyV wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

americans are targeted here at home every day.

how many americans are killed by police and federal agents in raids?

this is the same thing, just on foreign land and it is much "cleaner" because none of our troops are at risk. just drop a bomb on the target.

i do not support this by the way. i am against all drone use. i think they are unethical. just like snipers and land mines.

additionally, i do not think that the president or any law enforcement people should be making decisions to murder americans without trial. lack of evidence makes this even more of an abuse of power.

Americans are not targeted to be killed everyday by police and federal agents in raids. Sometimes they are, but that is not the intent of the raid.

they went in to kill the kidnapper yesterday.
they killed the branch davidians.
the killed the guys are ruby ridge.

mikepegg44 · February 2013

JimmyV wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I know not many agree but this doesn't bother me in the least. What are you doing associating with Al Qaeda if you are not, directly or indirectly, plotting against the US? Plotting against your own troops? This shouldn't be a concern because it should be unthinkable that any American citizen would do this. I am not going to lose sleep over anyone who gets caught up with terrorists and pays the price.

right, that is the current interpretation of this ability. That is the problem. Having this ability and considering it legal opens boundaries. As much as a piece of shit the guy they ended up killing was, was his family worth taking out as well?

I don't feel sorry for anyone plotting terrorism coming to a violent end in any capacity, if you plan to kill innocents that is what should happen...but why kill his 16 year old son two weeks later? There was no evidence that his son was a terrorist, there was no evidence he was going to commit any acts what so ever. he was a citizen and deserved better.

If an american citizen terrorist suspect gets killed while people are trying to detain or capture him that is one thing, but killing his american citizen child two weeks later without trying to arrest him for some kind of crime is disgusting.

I understand. But was the sixteen year old son targeted or did he get caught up by being in the same room with six suspected militants? And what was he doing in that room?

room? he was killed two weeks later by the side of the road while travelling, keep in mind he hadn't seen his father in a very long time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/2 ... 12438.html

cincybearcat · February 2013

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

americans are targeted here at home every day.

how many americans are killed by police and federal agents in raids?

this is the same thing, just on foreign land and it is much "cleaner" because none of our troops are at risk. just drop a bomb on the target.

i do not support this by the way. i am against all drone use. i think they are unethical. just like snipers and land mines.

additionally, i do not think that the president or any law enforcement people should be making decisions to murder americans without trial. lack of evidence makes this even more of an abuse of power.

Americans are not targeted to be killed everyday by police and federal agents in raids. Sometimes they are, but that is not the intent of the raid.

they went in to kill the kidnapper yesterday.
they killed the branch davidians.
the killed the guys are ruby ridge.

With the kidnapper, they went in to get the kid and the safest thing to do for the kid and the officers is to kill the guy. You really upset about that? Honestly?

unsung · February 2013

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

americans are targeted here at home every day.

how many americans are killed by police and federal agents in raids?

Waitaminute! I thought we had no reason to fear government? I was told I had no reason to need an AR if I wanted to defend myself? I was told tyranny doesn't exist.

But I agree with you 100% on the drones. I don't want them flying over this country. Every bomb they drop on another country is an act of war.

If Bush were doing it you'd all be screaming for impeachment. Heck I bet most of you did. What has changed your minds that it is now acceptable?

JimmyV · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I understand. But was the sixteen year old son targeted or did he get caught up by being in the same room with six suspected militants? And what was he doing in that room?

room? he was killed two weeks later by the side of the road while travelling, keep in mind he hadn't seen his father in a very long time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/2 ... 12438.html

??

In the OP, the caption attached to the photo at the top of the article reads:

"Tribesmen this week examine the rubble of a building in southeastern Yemen where American teenager Abdulrahmen al-Awlaki and six suspected al-Qaida militants were killed in a U.S. drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011. Al-Awlaki, 16, was the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, who died in a similar strike two weeks earlier."

Were they not in the building? And wherever he was, if he was with six suspected militants why do we assume he was targeted only because he was the son of a terrorist?

mikepegg44 · February 2013

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

americans are targeted here at home every day.

how many americans are killed by police and federal agents in raids?

this is the same thing, just on foreign land and it is much "cleaner" because none of our troops are at risk. just drop a bomb on the target.

i do not support this by the way. i am against all drone use. i think they are unethical. just like snipers and land mines.

additionally, i do not think that the president or any law enforcement people should be making decisions to murder americans without trial. lack of evidence makes this even more of an abuse of power.

Americans are not targeted to be killed everyday by police and federal agents in raids. Sometimes they are, but that is not the intent of the raid.[/quote]

correct Jason, it isn't the intent of a police raid to kill. There are extenuating circumstances that would lead to them killing someone, as in imminent bodily harm about to take place.

The only possible intent of a drone strike is assassination.

I don't think the President should legally be allowed to order the assassinations of US citizens without trying to arrest the person. If the suspect is still justifiably killed I would sleep like a baby, but at least some form of due process was still afforded them.

JimmyV · February 2013

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

americans are targeted here at home every day.

how many americans are killed by police and federal agents in raids?

this is the same thing, just on foreign land and it is much "cleaner" because none of our troops are at risk. just drop a bomb on the target.

i do not support this by the way. i am against all drone use. i think they are unethical. just like snipers and land mines.

additionally, i do not think that the president or any law enforcement people should be making decisions to murder americans without trial. lack of evidence makes this even more of an abuse of power.

Americans are not targeted to be killed everyday by police and federal agents in raids. Sometimes they are, but that is not the intent of the raid.

they went in to kill the kidnapper yesterday.
they killed the branch davidians.
the killed the guys are ruby ridge.

And in each of those cases the goal was to get as many out alive as possible, not kill everyone. The kidnapper, the branch davidians, ruby ridge, none of these are cases where the government targeted someone for assassination.

mikepegg44 · February 2013

JimmyV wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I understand. But was the sixteen year old son targeted or did he get caught up by being in the same room with six suspected militants? And what was he doing in that room?

room? he was killed two weeks later by the side of the road while travelling, keep in mind he hadn't seen his father in a very long time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/2 ... 12438.html

??

In the OP, the caption attached to the photo at the top of the article reads:

"Tribesmen this week examine the rubble of a building in southeastern Yemen where American teenager Abdulrahmen al-Awlaki and six suspected al-Qaida militants were killed in a U.S. drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011. Al-Awlaki, 16, was the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, who died in a similar strike two weeks earlier."

Were they not in the building? And wherever he was, if he was with six suspected militants why do we assume he was targeted only because he was the son of a terrorist?

it says suspected militants by the way...conflicting reports I guess.

My neighbor in Duluth was a suspected meth dealer, it wouldn't have been ok for the police to raid my home and shoot me because he was next door. The kid was a citizen, due process is afforded to all of us, even the ones the gov't doesn't like.

JimmyV · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

??

In the OP, the caption attached to the photo at the top of the article reads:

"Tribesmen this week examine the rubble of a building in southeastern Yemen where American teenager Abdulrahmen al-Awlaki and six suspected al-Qaida militants were killed in a U.S. drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011. Al-Awlaki, 16, was the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, who died in a similar strike two weeks earlier."

Were they not in the building? And wherever he was, if he was with six suspected militants why do we assume he was targeted only because he was the son of a terrorist?

it says suspected militants by the way...conflicting reports I guess.

My neighbor in Duluth was a suspected meth dealer, it wouldn't have been ok for the police to raid my home and shoot me because he was next door. The kid was a citizen, due process is afforded to all of us, even the ones the gov't doesn't like.

And if it ever happened in Duluth and for that reason I would absolutely agree. But it seems like this "innocent" kid was running in the same circles as his father.

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