legal case for drones

Jason P

From what I've read, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed in a strike several weeks later where he was riding along with the intended target, an Egyption Al Queda leader.

even flow - question mark

quote="JimmyV"]I don't feel sorry for anyone plotting terrorism coming to a violent end in any capacity, if you plan to kill innocents that is what should happen...[/quote]


Just curious if you'd expand this to heads of state who you know give the okay to wipe out an entire wedding party and then say oops, it's not terrorism, it's a mistake. Don't open up a can of worms and then throw the word terrorism around with only the US dictionary's meaning.

JimmyV

even flow - question mark wrote:

quote="JimmyV"]I don't feel sorry for anyone plotting terrorism coming to a violent end in any capacity, if you plan to kill innocents that is what should happen...

Just curious if you'd expand this to heads of state who you know give the okay to wipe out an entire wedding party and then say oops, it's not terrorism, it's a mistake. Don't open up a can of worms and then throw the word terrorism around with only the US dictionary's meaning.[/quote]

Just curious where you got this quote from. I never wrote it, please do no attribute it to me.

mikepegg44

JimmyV wrote:

And if it ever happened in Duluth and for that reason I would absolutely agree. But it seems like this "innocent" kid was running in the same circles as his father.

he was looking for his father, a man he hadn't had contact with in some time, with whom do you think he should have contact to accomplish that feet? This is a dangerous road to go down.

Doesn't matter where an american citizen is killed by the american gov't, there better have been due process.

I am not calling the kid innocent in the general sense. he may have been a piece of shit too, but the distinction between innocent and guilty should be made in a court of law. he was never charged, he was never indicted, there was no evidence he was plotting or attacking anyone. I have friends who sold/sell pot, because I am near them doesn't mean I do as well...

if I use the logic used to justify these drone strikes, we could take out any citizen at any point considering no actual evidence of imminent threat is necessary.

We are the United States of America and we are supposed to be better than this.

JimmyV

mikepegg44 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

And if it ever happened in Duluth and for that reason I would absolutely agree. But it seems like this "innocent" kid was running in the same circles as his father.

he was looking for his father, a man he hadn't had contact with in some time, with whom do you think he should have contact to accomplish that feet? This is a dangerous road to go down.

Doesn't matter where an american citizen is killed by the american gov't, there better have been due process.

I am not calling the kid innocent in the general sense. he may have been a piece of shit too, but the distinction between innocent and guilty should be made in a court of law. he was never charged, he was never indicted, there was no evidence he was plotting or attacking anyone. I have friends who sold/sell pot, because I am near them doesn't mean I do as well...

if I use the logic used to justify these drone strikes, we could take out any citizen at any point considering no actual evidence of imminent threat is necessary.

We are the United States of America and we are supposed to be better than this.

I hear what you are saying. I to wish we could be better than this all the time. I just don't think in this world, with these threats, that we always have that luxury.

mikepegg44

even flow - question mark wrote:

quote="JimmyV"]I don't feel sorry for anyone plotting terrorism coming to a violent end in any capacity, if you plan to kill innocents that is what should happen...

Just curious if you'd expand this to heads of state who you know give the okay to wipe out an entire wedding party and then say oops, it's not terrorism, it's a mistake. Don't open up a can of worms and then throw the word terrorism around with only the US dictionary's meaning.[/quote]

I was just going to say I wrote that.

I would define it as anyone who targets innocent people. Plan is the important part of that thought.

When you bring down a building filled with innocent people, or convince someone to blow themselves up in a crowded market place you are a terrorist no matter what freedom cause you think you are fighting. I think the use of drones to assassinate is terroristic in nature to be honest with you.

I am glad you pointed that out.

JC29856

special thanks to jv for pointing out this thread...

i nominate this guy to be the first american on US soil to be killed by a drone strike, along with any of his associated forces

http://nation.time.com/2013/02/05/chris ... ed-killer/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... bled=false

JimmyV

JC29856 wrote:

special thanks to jv for pointing out this thread...

i nominate this guy to be the first american on US soil to be killed by a drone strike, along with any of his associated forces

http://nation.time.com/2013/02/05/chris ... ed-killer/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... bled=false

Read this quick and totally thought I was being nominated for a drone strike.

even flow - question mark

JC29856 wrote:

special thanks to jv for pointing out this thread...

i nominate this guy to be the first american on US soil to be killed by a drone strike, along with any of his associated forces

http://nation.time.com/2013/02/05/chris ... ed-killer/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... bled=false

Drone strike......Just put him in solitary with a loaded gun. It would only be a matter of time.

JC29856

JimmyV wrote:

JC29856 wrote:

special thanks to jv for pointing out this thread...

i nominate this guy to be the first american on US soil to be killed by a drone strike, along with any of his associated forces

http://nation.time.com/2013/02/05/chris ... ed-killer/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... bled=false

Read this quick and totally thought I was being nominated for a drone strike.

funny i can see the mistake... i would never nominate anyone from amt, especially you.

unsung

The White House just called overseas drone strikes on American citizens "ethical, legal, and wise".

It might be time to begin talk of impeachment.

josevolution

But how do you go about arresting these american citizens that are now living amongst Alqueda without putting American forces in dangerous situations ? ..

JimmyV

josevolution wrote:

But how do you go about arresting these american citizens that are now living amongst Alqueda without putting American forces in dangerous situations ? ..

Good question.

unsung

I don't know if it is even legal but a revocation of their citizenship could be a possibility, otherwise you try them in absentia.

You don't just assassinate them.





Let's be very clear this is millions of times worse than the Bush administration waterboarding, and I remember most of you here had a shitfit about that. Don't lower your standards for what is right and just.

josevolution

unsung wrote:

I don't know if it is even legal but a revocation of their citizenship could be a possibility, otherwise you try them in absentia.

You don't just assassinate them.





Let's be very clear this is millions of times worse than the Bush administration waterboarding, and I remember most of you here had a shitfit about that. Don't lower your standards for what is right and just.

I agree with your assesment of trying them or revocation of citisenship but that would not stop them from carrying out acts of terror ...

pjl44

Tom Tomorrow has weighed in on this:

http://thismodernworld.com/wp-content/u ... lowres.jpg

unsung

josevolution wrote:

I agree with your assesment of trying them or revocation of citisenship but that would not stop them from carrying out acts of terror ...

But that wasn't the issue. The issue is following the Constitution and not allowing ANY President to become King. Targeted assassination of US Citizens is grounds for impeachment.

What happens if Dick Cheney became President and wanted to do the same thing?

JimmyV

unsung wrote:

I don't know if it is even legal but a revocation of their citizenship could be a possibility, otherwise you try them in absentia.

You don't just assassinate them.





Let's be very clear this is millions of times worse than the Bush administration waterboarding, and I remember most of you here had a shitfit about that. Don't lower your standards for what is right and just.

First "most" wanted to impeach Bush and then "most of you had a shitfit about" waterboarding. Even assuming both of those statements are true, understand that not all of us shared those views. I never wanted to impeach Bush and I understand why it was decided waterboarding was necessary. And I also understand why this is necessary.

unsung

It's illegal, immoral, and unconstitutional.

Cosmo

Note To Self: Reminder to pass on that scheduled Holiday in the tribal regions of Pakistan.
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P.S. Cancel annual physical exam appointment with Dr. Al Kieda, too. Can never be TOO safe.