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Prince Of Dorkness · January 2013

hedonist wrote:

Well yes, as I was talking basic birth control to try to prevent pregnancy and using condoms to try to prevent STDs - again, something that is incumbent upon parents to know and discuss with their children.

You are absolutely right about that. I think teenagers are more likely to make better choices if sex isn't a scary and confusing and shameful thing.

As to the hooking up, some do and some don't. Being a horny teenager (hell, even a horny adult) doesn't mean automatically throwing caution to the wind.

Sense of responsibility to oneself goes a long way, and it needs to be taught and demonstrated.

True... Although random hooking up is also ok.. So long as you know what precautions to take and decide on what risks are acceptable to you. I remember when I was 21 and had a boyfriend that was HIV+. My parents and even a few friends freaked out... Thought I was nuts. But I knew what the risks were, how to protect myself and what precautions to take and I was just fine.

So I really wasn't throwing caution to the wind. Back then I was a very sexually active young adult but I got regular check ups and was very honest with my doctor about what I was doing and with whom and he knew what to test for. And on the one occasion that I did catch something, I got it treated quickly and not only protected myself but didn't pass it to anyone else.

josevolution · January 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Education on birth control should start at home by the parents ..

And dollar bills should fly out of my ass, but aside from that time in Vegas after I fell on.... wel.... you don't want to know about that.

The point is that many parents don't even know that stuff. Many teenagers are taught to be ashamed of sex while they're also taught to go out and use sex as power by TV.

When you say you covered all the bases, did you tell him the different ways HIV can be transmitted and how to tell at a glance the difference between a heat rash, poison ivy and the first stages of syphilis?

Cuz sometimes you have to know that when you meet someone at a camp ground.

Just saying.

Yes we talked about everything pertaining to sex , hi's to old for camp

but i do appreciate your advice

cincybearcat · January 2013

By the way prince, teaching abstinence only doesn't mean that those kids don't know about condoms, etc. it just makes them more scared of getting caught buying or possessing them then actually having a kid. Which is certainly crazy.

Cosmo · January 2013

cincybearcat wrote:

By the way prince, teaching abstinence only doesn't mean that those kids don't know about condoms, etc. it just makes them more scared of getting caught buying or possessing them then actually having a kid. Which is certainly crazy.

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I think that's the main problem with Absinence only education, it is based in fear, not biology and/or human psychology.
What needs to be done is explain is real terms, the financial burden a teenager would undertake in having/raising a kid. What the long term costs are (including loss in career/growth opportunities) and the long term emotional effects of abortion or giving up a baby for adoption.
We all know... kids will have sex. That's what kids do... have sex and there is absolutely nothing we, as adults can do about it. What we need to focus on are the consequences of having unprotected sex and the emmense responsibility/accountability that comes along with pregnancy.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2013

josevolution wrote:

Yes we talked about everything pertaining to sex , hi's to old for camp but i do appreciate your advice

You're never too old to pitch a tent. :nono:

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2013

cincybearcat wrote:

By the way prince, teaching abstinence only doesn't mean that those kids don't know about condoms, etc. it just makes them more scared of getting caught buying or possessing them then actually having a kid. Which is certainly crazy.

Well... they know about condoms but they don't know how to use them, put them on or even how they work.

And then we also get things like "put midol in your peesh and jump up and down" or "diet coke."

How many teenagers do you think know that using vaseline will render condoms pretty much useless? Not even many adults know that.

Go Beavers · January 2013

pj1981 wrote:

I am prochoice and see your point in going back in time but I also see abortion
as a tremendous loss of life that is out of control. The stats are pretty sickening really.
That's not the kind of country I can be proud of, women can be proud of. I hope in the
future we look back on this with disdain for the good change that has come.

But how to control that remains in teaching women to not exercise this right to take a life,
not to need to exercise the right. Not in removing the right all together.
I am with 600,000 strong and more of that kind of change.

I disagree with the sincerity of many of the anti-abortion people. If they wanted to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, then they would put their full energy into effective sex education programs and improving access to cheap and effective contraception. All I see is them putting up road blocks to this. Their views come across as self-righteous preaching which only has the effect of making themselves feel good. A lot of these people are the same ones, who two years after the mom has her kid, are shaming her for being on public assistance and lecturing her about needing to take responsibility for the choices she's made in her life.

comebackgirl · January 2013

Go Beavers wrote:

One of the barriers to parents and adults talking to kids about sex is that a lot of them have this delusional notion that if they talk about sex in a direct manner, that somehow they are encouraging them to have sex. Like they weren't thinking about it before, but now that you mention it, you'll suddenly have a room full of horny teens. Did these people forget what it was like when they were that age?

I agree. Parents aren't putting the idea in their kids' head by having an open discussion of it. The thought is already there. Usually by the time parents start talking about it, their kids have already heard a lot of myths and misinformation from friends and other sources. Factual information may actually make them think twice.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

You are absolutely right about that. I think teenagers are more likely to make better choices if sex isn't a scary and confusing and shameful thing.

Absolutely...shame shuts down communication and teens will be more likely to hide their behavior than to talk openly about it. Shame isn't usually an effective decision making tool.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Yes we talked about everything pertaining to sex , hi's to old for camp but i do appreciate your advice

You're never too old to pitch a tent. :nono:

Well played

Cosmo · January 2013

comebackgirl wrote:

I agree. Parents aren't putting the idea in their kids' head by having an open discussion of it. The thought is already there. Usually by the time parents start talking about it, their kids have already heard a lot of myths and misinformation from friends and other sources. Factual information may actually make them think twice.

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And seriously... how many people here had their parents talk to them about Sex Education? How many of you parents out there have sat your kid down and openly discussed sex? How did that go?
"Ahh... your mom and I got drunk one night at a kegger party and we fucked in the backseat of my Chevelle and... well, 9 motnths later... you popped out of her pussy... all covered in slime".

comebackgirl · January 2013

Cosmo wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I agree. Parents aren't putting the idea in their kids' head by having an open discussion of it. The thought is already there. Usually by the time parents start talking about it, their kids have already heard a lot of myths and misinformation from friends and other sources. Factual information may actually make them think twice.

...
And seriously... how many people here had their parents talk to them about Sex Education? How many of you parents out there have sat your kid down and openly discussed sex? How did that go?
"Ahh... your mom and I got drunk one night at a kegger party and we fucked in the backseat of my Chevelle and... well, 9 motnths later... you popped out of her pussy... all covered in slime".

When I was a teenager my mom told me not to get pregnant because she wouldn't raise a grandchild...an important message, but she never actually told me how to avoid getting pregnant or STDs. Fortunately they did teach that in my school and my best friend had an older sister who gave us the necessary info (and thankfully it was accurate!) But I think open dialogue on this stuff is sadly not the norm (not to mention parents don't always have accurate info themselves).

Cosmo · January 2013

comebackgirl wrote:

When I was a teenager my mom told me not to get pregnant because she wouldn't raise a grandchild...an important message, but she never actually told me how to avoid getting pregnant or STDs. Fortunately they did teach that in my school and my best friend had an older sister who gave us the necessary info (and thankfully it was accurate!) But I think open dialogue on this stuff is sadly not the norm (not to mention parents don't always have accurate info themselves).

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Well, my parents didn't tell me shit. I learned it mostly from the 8th grade Health class at a public school.
Before that, it was from my friends... whose parents also didn't tell them shit... who were taught by their older brothers, who also thought that everything you read in the papers and textbooks and on the news was truth because it was illegal to print lies.

hedonist · January 2013

Cosmo wrote:

I learned it mostly from the 8th grade Health class at a public school.

Ha! Me too - although I did have a couple of informative (albeit AWKWARD) talks with my dad around that age too.

Perhaps I'm naive in this sense, but somehow I/we were able to learn the facts and some sense of responsibility/precaution/understanding of consequences without the wealth of information that's at most everyone's fingertips nowadays.

It's pretty sad that kids coming up know all about HOW to fuck by watching TV, videos, etc...but have no clue how to fuck SAFELY.

Cosmo · January 2013

Something else... how about we finally hold the male responsible and have these pregnancies affect their lives, too. It's always the woman's burden to bear... how about we attach responsibility to the one that supplied the penis and the sperm to the equation? Let them know that all of that money they plan to spend on stuff for their car and video games and beer will now have to go towards Pampers and baby food... and stuff for the next 18 years of their lives.

fear4freedom · January 2013

whew! Thank you all for being a part of this thread! I learned everything from watching my dad VHS porno tapes when I was 12 to 17 years old. For 5 years I watched his tapes about once or twice a week when parents would leave house.

Well anyways....back to the OP. I cant believe some people on here are actually criticizing the people who are in attendance of the march! WOW.

We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace. We should be talking about how to mend and improve the situation.....not critiquing the people in the march!

Cmon guys....jeez

comebackgirl · January 2013

fear4freedom wrote:

We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.

Oh come on Fear...if women know how to knock themselves up, they need to teach me that trick. I'll start trying it every night until I conceive and stop worrying about trying to coordinate schedules with my husband

See Cosmo's post above.

Cosmo · January 2013

fear4freedom wrote:

whew! Thank you all for being a part of this thread! I learned everything from watching my dad VHS porno tapes when I was 12 to 17 years old. For 5 years I watched his tapes about once or twice a week when parents would leave house.

Well anyways....back to the OP. I cant believe some people on here are actually criticizing the people who are in attendance of the march! WOW.

We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace. We should be talking about how to mend and improve the situation.....not critiquing the people in the march!

Cmon guys....jeez

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We ARE offering up solutions... you just need to either try to apply them or come up with your own solutions instead of incessantly bitching about it.
Take all of your energy, time, money and fanatisism and focus on the root cause of your hard-on for abortions... unwanted pregnancies. Reduce the number of unwanted pregnanacies and you will solve the problem you find most pressing in your life.
You will solve your problem by educating kids about the hazzards associated with sex. No sex, no pregnancies, no abortions, no problem.
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You're welcome.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2013

fear4freedom wrote:

We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.

Yeah those slutty women who get raped. They chose that lifestyle and they deserve what's coming to them.

fear4freedom · January 2013

comebackgirl wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.

Oh come on Fear...if women know how to knock themselves up, they need to teach me that trick. I'll start trying it every night until I conceive and stop worrying about trying to coordinate schedules with my husband See Cosmo's post above.

Im sure there are MANY teenage girls who have unprotected sex because they know if they do get pregnant.....they can just go get an abortion! That thought and irresponsibilty becomes a lifestyle.
Dont want to walk to 7-11 for condoms cause its too far, in the cold....."ah well worst case scenario, if I get pregnant, I can get an abortion" as Obama says "I wouldnt want my girls to feel like they were PUNISHED with a baby" Thats a form of thinking that becomes a lifestyle for many. Come on human nature shows us that we are too lazy to walk a few blocks for condoms! We are lazy plus it feels better without one. We put cases on our Iphones, but not on our penis's! HMMMMM Now thats a lifestyle

comebackgirl · January 2013

fear4freedom wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.

Oh come on Fear...if women know how to knock themselves up, they need to teach me that trick. I'll start trying it every night until I conceive and stop worrying about trying to coordinate schedules with my husband See Cosmo's post above.

Im sure there are MANY teenage girls who have unprotected sex because they know if they do get pregnant.....they can just go get an abortion! That thought and irresponsibilty becomes a lifestyle.
Dont want to walk to 7-11 for condoms cause its too far, in the cold....."ah well worst case scenario, if I get pregnant, I can get an abortion" as Obama says "I wouldnt want my girls to feel like they were PUNISHED with a baby" Thats a form of thinking that becomes a lifestyle for many. Come on human nature shows us that we are too lazy to walk a few blocks for condoms! We are lazy plus it feels better without one. We put cases on our Iphones, but not on our penis's! HMMMMM Now thats a lifestyle

they're not getting pregnant from masturbating, so I'm not sure why your focus is pinned solely on the girls...you need to widen that lens.. A lot of unintended pregnancies are caused from contraception used improperly, not necessarily from laziness or a total disregard. That's why so many of us are stressing the importance of education in addition to access.

pj1981 · January 2013

Go Beavers wrote:

pj1981 wrote:

I am prochoice and see your point in going back in time but I also see abortion
as a tremendous loss of life that is out of control. The stats are pretty sickening really.
That's not the kind of country I can be proud of, women can be proud of. I hope in the
future we look back on this with disdain for the good change that has come.

But how to control that remains in teaching women to not exercise this right to take a life,
not to need to exercise the right. Not in removing the right all together.
I am with 600,000 strong and more of that kind of change.

I disagree with the sincerity of many of the anti-abortion people. If they wanted to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, then they would put their full energy into effective sex education programs and improving access to cheap and effective contraception. All I see is them putting up road blocks to this. Their views come across as self-righteous preaching which only has the effect of making themselves feel good. A lot of these people are the same ones, who two years after the mom has her kid, are shaming her for being on public assistance and lecturing her about needing to take responsibility for the choices she's made in her life.

There are many prochoice people who are anti-abortion as myself. There are many anti-abortion
people who do want programs to change how abortion is used and abused
and not necessarily in self righteous preaching.
Could you be viewing some for many?
Personal responsibility truly is the key though, stopping the need for abortion
and to begin to respect life.

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