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  • I used to work for a studio called Frat Men that did solo scenes of young college athletes.

    I was the first man those guys ever felt comfortable asking questions and often I would end up giving safer sex and birth control seminars. Once they found there was an adult willing to have a frank and judgement-free conversation about men's sexual health, they couldn't get enough, I answered things like "can a girl get pregnant from anal?" And "is it true you can use diet coke after sex and she won't get pregnant?"

    I'm still amazed at how few guys don't know they need to do testical self-examinations, let alone how to do them.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    One of the barriers to parents and adults talking to kids about sex is that a lot of them have this delusional notion that if they talk about sex in a direct manner, that somehow they are encouraging them to have sex. Like they weren't thinking about it before, but now that you mention it, you'll suddenly have a room full of horny teens. Did these people forget what it was like when they were that age?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,459
    Cosmo wrote:
    You think most unwanted pregnancies stem from people not knowing about condoms, etc?
    I think this is true for a small portion of the population, but not most. That is why when people talk about education being the solution, while I think it can help, I don't believe it will solve the majority of the problems. People always blame a lack of knowing when most of the time it's a lack of applying the knowledge you have.
    ...
    it is not just the use of condoms... it is education in general regarding sex and the massive size of the consequences. Fear does not work. I think a heavy dose of reality would do a better job.
    If kids were not able to palm their kids off to their parents to raise... that would help. Faced with the responsibility of another human being is much greater than trying to keep a cat or a dog. Kids need to figure out at a relatively early age that 18 years is a long fucking time and that they give up a lot of their freedoms to live as kids and young adults when they have kids of their own.
    We were all kids art one time. and as adults, we have come to know one certain truth... all kids are dumbfucks. They think they know it all and they are certain they know a lot more than you and me... but, the fact remains... they don't know shit.

    This is what I'm talking about. I agree. And as I said, I agree with more open discussions/education. I think this is where the biggest impact is. It's gotta be more than just teaching how to put condoms on a banana.
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  • pj1981pj1981 Posts: 288
    Just this past week there were two events in DC,

    One had 600,000 people and one had 1000 people!

    The big one was the "March for Life" People of all races and ages were there! Our youth is very pro life by the way! Over %55 are pro life! Great news and there is hope for life!

    The little one was for "gun control"

    The main stream media gave ZERO coverage to the big one with 600,000 people. Anytime there is 600,000 people gathering for anything, it should be covered big time and logged in as a historical event.

    The media bias is palpable and repugnant!

    Even if you are pro choice.....you should see this bias and make note of it publicly and denounce the intentions. If you have honor anyways!
    You are correct I heard and saw nothing on the right to life march but did see numerous times the pro gun regulation march on my local news. It wasn't very impressive I thought.

    But at the moment guns are news, the big controversary within our country,
    whatever anyone's agenda may be. So I will chalk this one up to that. Perhaps pro life will be a controversy worth newstime sooner than later. I think we can see that coming.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,183
    Well, a quick search did bring back this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 52570.html

    But that was really it. So your point is well taken.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    pj1981 wrote:
    Just this past week there were two events in DC,

    One had 600,000 people and one had 1000 people!

    The big one was the "March for Life" People of all races and ages were there! Our youth is very pro life by the way! Over %55 are pro life! Great news and there is hope for life!

    The little one was for "gun control"

    The main stream media gave ZERO coverage to the big one with 600,000 people. Anytime there is 600,000 people gathering for anything, it should be covered big time and logged in as a historical event.

    The media bias is palpable and repugnant!

    Even if you are pro choice.....you should see this bias and make note of it publicly and denounce the intentions. If you have honor anyways!
    You are correct I heard and saw nothing on the right to life march but did see numerous times the pro gun regulation march on my local news. It wasn't very impressive I thought.

    But at the moment guns are news, the big controversary within our country,
    whatever anyone's agenda may be. So I will chalk this one up to that. Perhaps pro life will be a controversy worth newstime sooner than later. I think we can see that coming.

    I saw coverage on it without even trying, but I guess your perception of the media depends on the lens your looking through.

    I don't think it really generates interest: "Oh look, another group of people wanting to go back in time".
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    And dollar bills should fly out of my ass, but aside from that time in Vegas after I fell on.... wel.... you don't want to know about that.

    The point is that many parents don't even know that stuff. Many teenagers are taught to be ashamed of sex while they're also taught to go out and use sex as power by TV.

    When you say you covered all the bases, did you tell him the different ways HIV can be transmitted and how to tell at a glance the difference between a heat rash, poison ivy and the first stages of syphilis?

    Cuz sometimes you have to know that when you meet someone at a camp ground.

    Just saying.
    But parents SHOULD know that stuff - goes with the territory of...being a (good) parent.

    Just saying.

    I think jose's on the right path (I doubt his kids are meeting people at campgrounds and getting it on), and I applaud him for it.
  • hedonist wrote:
    But parents SHOULD know that stuff - goes with the territory of...being a (good) parent.

    Just saying.

    I think jose's on the right path (I doubt his kids are meeting people at campgrounds and getting it on), and I applaud him for it.

    Well no... Being able to spot std lesions isn't something that comes with the territory. (Btw, the answer is hear rash is in blotches, poison ivy is in streaks and early-stage syphllis is symmetrical on your body... If you have a lesion on one hand you'll have an identical one on the other). Just like advanced calculous and political science is something that should be taught in school, sexual health is an important thing for all to know and a qualified person should teach it.

    Now yes... I applaud any parent who talks frankly about sexual issues with their kids. That's huge and I'm not coming down on him at all.

    But you'd also be dreaming if you thought that teenagers aren't hooking up with people they only just met. My parents also didn't think I was hooking up with people at camp grounds and they were very wrong.

    I don't have to tell you that birth control pils don't protect against STIs of any kind.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Well no... Being able to spot std lesions isn't something that comes with the territory. (Btw, the answer is hear rash is in blotches, poison ivy is in streaks and early-stage syphllis is symmetrical on your body... If you have a lesion on one hand you'll have an identical one on the other). Just like advanced calculous and political science is something that should be taught in school, sexual health is an important thing for all to know and a qualified person should teach it.

    Now yes... I applaud any parent who talks frankly about sexual issues with their kids. That's huge and I'm not coming down on him at all.

    But you'd also be dreaming if you thought that teenagers aren't hooking up with people they only just met. My parents also didn't think I was hooking up with people at camp grounds and they were very wrong.

    I don't have to tell you that birth control pils don't protect against STIs of any kind.
    Well yes, as I was talking basic birth control to try to prevent pregnancy and using condoms to try to prevent STDs - again, something that is incumbent upon parents to know and discuss with their children.

    As to the hooking up, some do and some don't. Being a horny teenager (hell, even a horny adult) doesn't mean automatically throwing caution to the wind.

    Sense of responsibility to oneself goes a long way, and it needs to be taught and demonstrated.
  • pj1981pj1981 Posts: 288
    Go Beavers wrote:
    pj1981 wrote:
    Just this past week there were two events in DC,

    One had 600,000 people and one had 1000 people!

    The big one was the "March for Life" People of all races and ages were there! Our youth is very pro life by the way! Over %55 are pro life! Great news and there is hope for life!

    The little one was for "gun control"

    The main stream media gave ZERO coverage to the big one with 600,000 people. Anytime there is 600,000 people gathering for anything, it should be covered big time and logged in as a historical event.

    The media bias is palpable and repugnant!

    Even if you are pro choice.....you should see this bias and make note of it publicly and denounce the intentions. If you have honor anyways!
    You are correct I heard and saw nothing on the right to life march but did see numerous times the pro gun regulation march on my local news. It wasn't very impressive I thought.

    But at the moment guns are news, the big controversary within our country,
    whatever anyone's agenda may be. So I will chalk this one up to that. Perhaps pro life will be a controversy worth newstime sooner than later. I think we can see that coming.

    I saw coverage on it without even trying, but I guess your perception of the media depends on the lens your looking through.

    I don't think it really generates interest: "Oh look, another group of people wanting to go back in time".
    I am prochoice and see your point in going back in time but I also see abortion
    as a tremendous loss of life that is out of control. The stats are pretty sickening really.
    That's not the kind of country I can be proud of, women can be proud of. I hope in the
    future we look back on this with disdain for the good change that has come.

    But how to control that remains in teaching women to not exercise this right to take a life,
    not to need to exercise the right. Not in removing the right all together.
    I am with 600,000 strong and more of that kind of change.
  • hedonist wrote:
    Well yes, as I was talking basic birth control to try to prevent pregnancy and using condoms to try to prevent STDs - again, something that is incumbent upon parents to know and discuss with their children.

    You are absolutely right about that. I think teenagers are more likely to make better choices if sex isn't a scary and confusing and shameful thing.
    As to the hooking up, some do and some don't. Being a horny teenager (hell, even a horny adult) doesn't mean automatically throwing caution to the wind.

    Sense of responsibility to oneself goes a long way, and it needs to be taught and demonstrated.

    True... Although random hooking up is also ok.. So long as you know what precautions to take and decide on what risks are acceptable to you. I remember when I was 21 and had a boyfriend that was HIV+. My parents and even a few friends freaked out... Thought I was nuts. But I knew what the risks were, how to protect myself and what precautions to take and I was just fine.

    So I really wasn't throwing caution to the wind. Back then I was a very sexually active young adult but I got regular check ups and was very honest with my doctor about what I was doing and with whom and he knew what to test for. And on the one occasion that I did catch something, I got it treated quickly and not only protected myself but didn't pass it to anyone else.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,616
    Education on birth control should start at home by the parents ..

    And dollar bills should fly out of my ass, but aside from that time in Vegas after I fell on.... wel.... you don't want to know about that.

    The point is that many parents don't even know that stuff. Many teenagers are taught to be ashamed of sex while they're also taught to go out and use sex as power by TV.

    When you say you covered all the bases, did you tell him the different ways HIV can be transmitted and how to tell at a glance the difference between a heat rash, poison ivy and the first stages of syphilis?

    Cuz sometimes you have to know that when you meet someone at a camp ground.

    Just saying.

    Yes we talked about everything pertaining to sex , hi's to old for camp :lol: but i do appreciate your advice ;)
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,459
    By the way prince, teaching abstinence only doesn't mean that those kids don't know about condoms, etc. it just makes them more scared of getting caught buying or possessing them then actually having a kid. Which is certainly crazy.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    By the way prince, teaching abstinence only doesn't mean that those kids don't know about condoms, etc. it just makes them more scared of getting caught buying or possessing them then actually having a kid. Which is certainly crazy.
    ...
    I think that's the main problem with Absinence only education, it is based in fear, not biology and/or human psychology.
    What needs to be done is explain is real terms, the financial burden a teenager would undertake in having/raising a kid. What the long term costs are (including loss in career/growth opportunities) and the long term emotional effects of abortion or giving up a baby for adoption.
    We all know... kids will have sex. That's what kids do... have sex and there is absolutely nothing we, as adults can do about it. What we need to focus on are the consequences of having unprotected sex and the emmense responsibility/accountability that comes along with pregnancy.
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  • Yes we talked about everything pertaining to sex , hi's to old for camp :lol: but i do appreciate your advice ;)


    You're never too old to pitch a tent. :nono:
  • By the way prince, teaching abstinence only doesn't mean that those kids don't know about condoms, etc. it just makes them more scared of getting caught buying or possessing them then actually having a kid. Which is certainly crazy.


    Well... they know about condoms but they don't know how to use them, put them on or even how they work.

    And then we also get things like "put midol in your peesh and jump up and down" or "diet coke."

    How many teenagers do you think know that using vaseline will render condoms pretty much useless? Not even many adults know that.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    pj1981 wrote:
    I am prochoice and see your point in going back in time but I also see abortion
    as a tremendous loss of life that is out of control. The stats are pretty sickening really.
    That's not the kind of country I can be proud of, women can be proud of. I hope in the
    future we look back on this with disdain for the good change that has come.

    But how to control that remains in teaching women to not exercise this right to take a life,
    not to need to exercise the right. Not in removing the right all together.
    I am with 600,000 strong and more of that kind of change.

    I disagree with the sincerity of many of the anti-abortion people. If they wanted to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, then they would put their full energy into effective sex education programs and improving access to cheap and effective contraception. All I see is them putting up road blocks to this. Their views come across as self-righteous preaching which only has the effect of making themselves feel good. A lot of these people are the same ones, who two years after the mom has her kid, are shaming her for being on public assistance and lecturing her about needing to take responsibility for the choices she's made in her life.
  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Go Beavers wrote:
    One of the barriers to parents and adults talking to kids about sex is that a lot of them have this delusional notion that if they talk about sex in a direct manner, that somehow they are encouraging them to have sex. Like they weren't thinking about it before, but now that you mention it, you'll suddenly have a room full of horny teens. Did these people forget what it was like when they were that age?
    I agree. Parents aren't putting the idea in their kids' head by having an open discussion of it. The thought is already there. Usually by the time parents start talking about it, their kids have already heard a lot of myths and misinformation from friends and other sources. Factual information may actually make them think twice.
    You are absolutely right about that. I think teenagers are more likely to make better choices if sex isn't a scary and confusing and shameful thing.
    Absolutely...shame shuts down communication and teens will be more likely to hide their behavior than to talk openly about it. Shame isn't usually an effective decision making tool.
    Yes we talked about everything pertaining to sex , hi's to old for camp :lol: but i do appreciate your advice ;)


    You're never too old to pitch a tent. :nono:
    :lol::lol::lol: Well played :clap:
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I agree. Parents aren't putting the idea in their kids' head by having an open discussion of it. The thought is already there. Usually by the time parents start talking about it, their kids have already heard a lot of myths and misinformation from friends and other sources. Factual information may actually make them think twice.
    ...
    And seriously... how many people here had their parents talk to them about Sex Education? How many of you parents out there have sat your kid down and openly discussed sex? How did that go?
    "Ahh... your mom and I got drunk one night at a kegger party and we fucked in the backseat of my Chevelle and... well, 9 motnths later... you popped out of her pussy... all covered in slime".
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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Cosmo wrote:
    I agree. Parents aren't putting the idea in their kids' head by having an open discussion of it. The thought is already there. Usually by the time parents start talking about it, their kids have already heard a lot of myths and misinformation from friends and other sources. Factual information may actually make them think twice.
    ...
    And seriously... how many people here had their parents talk to them about Sex Education? How many of you parents out there have sat your kid down and openly discussed sex? How did that go?
    "Ahh... your mom and I got drunk one night at a kegger party and we fucked in the backseat of my Chevelle and... well, 9 motnths later... you popped out of her pussy... all covered in slime".
    :o:lol: When I was a teenager my mom told me not to get pregnant because she wouldn't raise a grandchild...an important message, but she never actually told me how to avoid getting pregnant or STDs. Fortunately they did teach that in my school and my best friend had an older sister who gave us the necessary info (and thankfully it was accurate!) But I think open dialogue on this stuff is sadly not the norm (not to mention parents don't always have accurate info themselves).
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    :o:lol: When I was a teenager my mom told me not to get pregnant because she wouldn't raise a grandchild...an important message, but she never actually told me how to avoid getting pregnant or STDs. Fortunately they did teach that in my school and my best friend had an older sister who gave us the necessary info (and thankfully it was accurate!) But I think open dialogue on this stuff is sadly not the norm (not to mention parents don't always have accurate info themselves).
    ...
    Well, my parents didn't tell me shit. I learned it mostly from the 8th grade Health class at a public school.
    Before that, it was from my friends... whose parents also didn't tell them shit... who were taught by their older brothers, who also thought that everything you read in the papers and textbooks and on the news was truth because it was illegal to print lies.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Cosmo wrote:
    I learned it mostly from the 8th grade Health class at a public school.
    Ha! Me too - although I did have a couple of informative (albeit AWKWARD) talks with my dad around that age too.

    Perhaps I'm naive in this sense, but somehow I/we were able to learn the facts and some sense of responsibility/precaution/understanding of consequences without the wealth of information that's at most everyone's fingertips nowadays.

    It's pretty sad that kids coming up know all about HOW to fuck by watching TV, videos, etc...but have no clue how to fuck SAFELY.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Something else... how about we finally hold the male responsible and have these pregnancies affect their lives, too. It's always the woman's burden to bear... how about we attach responsibility to the one that supplied the penis and the sperm to the equation? Let them know that all of that money they plan to spend on stuff for their car and video games and beer will now have to go towards Pampers and baby food... and stuff for the next 18 years of their lives.
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  • whew! Thank you all for being a part of this thread! I learned everything from watching my dad VHS porno tapes when I was 12 to 17 years old. For 5 years I watched his tapes about once or twice a week when parents would leave house.

    Well anyways....back to the OP. I cant believe some people on here are actually criticizing the people who are in attendance of the march! WOW.

    We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace. We should be talking about how to mend and improve the situation.....not critiquing the people in the march!

    Cmon guys....jeez
    Theres no time like the present

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    All people need to do more on every level!
  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.
    Oh come on Fear...if women know how to knock themselves up, they need to teach me that trick. I'll start trying it every night until I conceive and stop worrying about trying to coordinate schedules with my husband :lol: See Cosmo's post above.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    whew! Thank you all for being a part of this thread! I learned everything from watching my dad VHS porno tapes when I was 12 to 17 years old. For 5 years I watched his tapes about once or twice a week when parents would leave house.

    Well anyways....back to the OP. I cant believe some people on here are actually criticizing the people who are in attendance of the march! WOW.

    We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace. We should be talking about how to mend and improve the situation.....not critiquing the people in the march!

    Cmon guys....jeez
    ...
    We ARE offering up solutions... you just need to either try to apply them or come up with your own solutions instead of incessantly bitching about it.
    Take all of your energy, time, money and fanatisism and focus on the root cause of your hard-on for abortions... unwanted pregnancies. Reduce the number of unwanted pregnanacies and you will solve the problem you find most pressing in your life.
    You will solve your problem by educating kids about the hazzards associated with sex. No sex, no pregnancies, no abortions, no problem.
    ...
    You're welcome.
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  • We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.


    Yeah those slutty women who get raped. They chose that lifestyle and they deserve what's coming to them.
  • We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.
    Oh come on Fear...if women know how to knock themselves up, they need to teach me that trick. I'll start trying it every night until I conceive and stop worrying about trying to coordinate schedules with my husband :lol: See Cosmo's post above.

    Im sure there are MANY teenage girls who have unprotected sex because they know if they do get pregnant.....they can just go get an abortion! That thought and irresponsibilty becomes a lifestyle.
    Dont want to walk to 7-11 for condoms cause its too far, in the cold....."ah well worst case scenario, if I get pregnant, I can get an abortion" as Obama says "I wouldnt want my girls to feel like they were PUNISHED with a baby" Thats a form of thinking that becomes a lifestyle for many. Come on human nature shows us that we are too lazy to walk a few blocks for condoms! We are lazy plus it feels better without one. We put cases on our Iphones, but not on our penis's! HMMMMM Now thats a lifestyle
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    We should be criticizing the number of abortions and the lifestyle that some women embrace.
    Oh come on Fear...if women know how to knock themselves up, they need to teach me that trick. I'll start trying it every night until I conceive and stop worrying about trying to coordinate schedules with my husband :lol: See Cosmo's post above.

    Im sure there are MANY teenage girls who have unprotected sex because they know if they do get pregnant.....they can just go get an abortion! That thought and irresponsibilty becomes a lifestyle.
    Dont want to walk to 7-11 for condoms cause its too far, in the cold....."ah well worst case scenario, if I get pregnant, I can get an abortion" as Obama says "I wouldnt want my girls to feel like they were PUNISHED with a baby" Thats a form of thinking that becomes a lifestyle for many. Come on human nature shows us that we are too lazy to walk a few blocks for condoms! We are lazy plus it feels better without one. We put cases on our Iphones, but not on our penis's! HMMMMM Now thats a lifestyle
    they're not getting pregnant from masturbating, so I'm not sure why your focus is pinned solely on the girls...you need to widen that lens.. A lot of unintended pregnancies are caused from contraception used improperly, not necessarily from laziness or a total disregard. That's why so many of us are stressing the importance of education in addition to access.
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  • pj1981pj1981 Posts: 288
    Go Beavers wrote:
    pj1981 wrote:
    I am prochoice and see your point in going back in time but I also see abortion
    as a tremendous loss of life that is out of control. The stats are pretty sickening really.
    That's not the kind of country I can be proud of, women can be proud of. I hope in the
    future we look back on this with disdain for the good change that has come.

    But how to control that remains in teaching women to not exercise this right to take a life,
    not to need to exercise the right. Not in removing the right all together.
    I am with 600,000 strong and more of that kind of change.

    I disagree with the sincerity of many of the anti-abortion people. If they wanted to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, then they would put their full energy into effective sex education programs and improving access to cheap and effective contraception. All I see is them putting up road blocks to this. Their views come across as self-righteous preaching which only has the effect of making themselves feel good. A lot of these people are the same ones, who two years after the mom has her kid, are shaming her for being on public assistance and lecturing her about needing to take responsibility for the choices she's made in her life.
    There are many prochoice people who are anti-abortion as myself. There are many anti-abortion
    people who do want programs to change how abortion is used and abused
    and not necessarily in self righteous preaching.
    Could you be viewing some for many?
    Personal responsibility truly is the key though, stopping the need for abortion
    and to begin to respect life.
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