Why doesn't Pearl Jam do an all 10C event?

JB56195
JB56195 Posts: 306
edited February 2013 in The Porch
I got to thinking about the lottery system and it's ups and downs and began to wonder why doesn't PJ do a 10C only event for a few shows per tour?

Just curious if it's even possible or if it's been done by any other bands before. What stops the band from doing an all 10C gig somewhere in the country? For example, they do MSG night 1 like any regular concert on their tour. Then do night 2 and sell out the whole venue to 10c members only.

From I business standpoint I understand that they have to negotiate with Ticketmaster on the percentage of seats reserved for 10C during a standard show but why does TM care who is getting the tickets as long as they collect the distribution fees/service charge. The venue has to get paid for its use, PJ makes money on the concert, etc. It would be like renting out a venue for a gigantic private party.

You rotate it around between Seattle, Chicago, Philly, New York, Boston, southern show somewhere (New Orleans???), etc. May be do some shows in off years when there is no tour (keep it in Seattle so the band doesn't have nearly as much inconvenience). Announce it way in advance to people can travel from overseas.

It would have a really positive vibe kind of like PJ20 with less special guests. The band could screw around and pull out old catalog/rare stuff that fans would want (Rats you know I'm looking at you). Perhaps play an entire album.

Seem like a win for everyone involved. Clearly there is something I'm missing.

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  • hrd2imgn
    hrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,949
    they have done some fanclub only shows, though inevitable it isn't just the fanclub. The Vic show was primarily fanclub, I want to say the Showbox and Fonda shows were as well, New Regal in Chicago in 94 I think.....could be wrong

    I agree though lets get some bigger fucking venues and have as many ten club seats as people can buy!
  • majleap3
    majleap3 Posts: 208
    Great idea!!!! This should be a no brainer.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    always good idea a fan club show
    now u mention msg..is like 18-20k venue?
    will be sold out if only sell to members?
    probably in smaller venues can happen..
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  • JB56195
    JB56195 Posts: 306
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    they have done some fanclub only shows, though inevitable it isn't just the fanclub. The Vic show was primarily fanclub, I want to say the Showbox and Fonda shows were as well, New Regal in Chicago in 94 I think.....could be wrong

    I agree though lets get some bigger fucking venues and have as many ten club seats as people can buy!

    As you alluded to the only problem is those were small venue places. Perhaps MSG is too big for a 100% fan club show but I have to imagine if you make it a big event every few years then people would travel. I know I would head from KC to NYC to see something like that. Chicago would probably be a better venue due to easier accessibility from throughout the country.

    If it doesn't sell out via 10c then open it up to allow people to buy more than a pair of tixs. I always bring my wife but think it would be great to have my oldest son tag along. If it doesn't sell out you can always open sales to the public.

    95-Milwaukee, 98-East Troy, 00-East Troy, 03-Detroit  Nights 1 and 2, 03-Toronto, 04-Grand Rapids, 05-Kitchener, 06-Cincinnati, 06-Auburn Hills, 10-New Orleans, 10-Kansas City, 11-PJ20 Nights 1 and 2, 13-Chicago, 14- Moline, 16-Chicago Nights 1 and 2, 18-Seattle Nights 1 and 2, Chicago Night 1, 21-Ohana Encore Night 1 and 2, 22-Imola, St. Louis.


  • majleap3
    majleap3 Posts: 208
    How about a tour of smaller venues that are 10c only? Ed has often said he wishes they would play small clubs again.
  • JB56195
    JB56195 Posts: 306
    majleap3 wrote:
    How about a tour of smaller venues that are 10c only? Ed has often said he wishes they would play small clubs again.

    Now I would be totally stoked about that but I imagine that people would get left out unless they put enough venues out there. I also imagine the return on investment in terms of revenue is going to be a lot less for the band. I am sure touring is expensive and time consuming so if you're going to do it once and a while I would think you would try to get the most of your money.

    The reason I was thinking about this was due to all the complaints about the new ticket lotto system and how people are complaining about being shut out. A big venue with a 10c event would give everyone a chance to go. If this was something special- rare songs, laid back band telling stories, super long sets (hey we are going to break for a half hour because were playing for five hrs tonight), etc. then people would be less focused on getting great seats and more focused on being there. I know I wouldn't care if I was in the back row for something like that.

    95-Milwaukee, 98-East Troy, 00-East Troy, 03-Detroit  Nights 1 and 2, 03-Toronto, 04-Grand Rapids, 05-Kitchener, 06-Cincinnati, 06-Auburn Hills, 10-New Orleans, 10-Kansas City, 11-PJ20 Nights 1 and 2, 13-Chicago, 14- Moline, 16-Chicago Nights 1 and 2, 18-Seattle Nights 1 and 2, Chicago Night 1, 21-Ohana Encore Night 1 and 2, 22-Imola, St. Louis.


  • majleap3
    majleap3 Posts: 208
    Yeah, I'm envisioning a whole 30 city tour of just small venues, like they did way back when. I'm certain this wouldn't happen, can't blame them. But holy shit that would be amazing. I would hope at this point that the financial gain wouldn't be first on their mind. Hell, I'd pay $200 to get into a House of Blues show or Music Hall at Fair Park (where Ed played in Dallas last month).
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 11,072
    It would get difficult. They would probably have to avoid using any ticketmaster/livenation venues.

    I'm not sure if people realize it but TM made a policty about ten years ago that limited fan club access to tickets to about 10% of a venue. The 10c has managed to somehow circumvent this, but with every tour I think they have less and less pull, and get less and less seats.

    I can't see TM allowing a member only show. Thus PJ would have to do it in non TM venues, which as we saw on the '95 tour was near impossible, which I would imagine would be worse now.

    If they stuck to small venues (which might the only ones left that aren't controlled by TM) the demand for tickets would be so high it'd just piss off everyone cause no one could get a ticket. :)

    I think it has headache written all over it (from a planning perspective :) ).
  • Foriginal Sin
    Foriginal Sin Chandler, AZ Posts: 1,897
    Its a great idea. And yeah if it doesn't sell out, just sell to the general public. I went to the Orlando HOB show in 2003, the one you supposedly could only get tickets for if you won them on the radio. Well only 1500 tickets went through the nationwide radio, the other 1000 were sold in the Orlando area and that's how I got mine (thankfully my brother lives there). If they did one of these a year and gave notice, we'd come damn close to selling it out.
    P.S. How is netflix deemed a monopoly and ticketmaster not? C'mon man.
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  • DS1119
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  • boyo79
    boyo79 Warrington, UK Posts: 6,525
    When they played Wembley Arena in 2007 the floor was 10c only.

    PJ hold the attendance record for the venue. 12470 fans that night enjoying one hell of a gig :D
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  • 100 Pacer
    100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    they have done some fanclub only shows, though inevitable it isn't just the fanclub. The Vic show was primarily fanclub, I want to say the Showbox and Fonda shows were as well, New Regal in Chicago in 94 I think.....could be wrong

    I agree though lets get some bigger fucking venues and have as many ten club seats as people can buy!

    The Vic Theater show was entirely fanclub. Glad I was able to score tickets to that show before the new lottery was in place.

    :lol:
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    :fp: Maybe PJ could do a *no* 10C event . . .
  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 99,890
    IMO, what would be grand, is the band try out new places. Try to find out arenas or places that are not yet taken over by Ticketmaster / Live Nation. Folks from the 10club could scout these places and reserve them.

    Ask if it would be possible for one day only @ the 10club ticket sale to reserve as many seats as possible for their 10club members. Then, ONLY THEN, the next day the arena can sell the left over seats that 10club couldn't sell. Would be shocking if these places, not run by Ticketmaster / Live Nation wouldn't do something like this.

    If all else fails ... I say they build a fucking Pearl Jam Arena. 2 on the East Coast. 2 on the West Coast. And Pearl Jam could play at their arena any time they want. Dedicated 10club only tickets / fans. It would be a grand ball!!! :mrgreen:
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,218
    DS1119 wrote:
    They will be. This summer in my backyard. Details to follow.


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    Boom in the front?! :shock:
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,490
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    always good idea a fan club show
    now u mention msg..is like 18-20k venue?
    will be sold out if only sell to members?
    probably in smaller venues can happen..
    At least just open all tickets to members first and sell as many as 10C members will buy, and then sell the remainder to the general public.
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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 99,890
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    They will be. This summer in my backyard. Details to follow.


    drums-farfisa-in-backyard.jpg

    Boom in the front?! :shock:

    But of course. Jeff on the slide. Mike & Stone will be on the grass. Ed on the top of the roof!!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,490
    what dreams wrote:
    :fp: Maybe PJ could do a *no* 10C event . . .
    Festivals.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    always good idea a fan club show
    now u mention msg..is like 18-20k venue?
    will be sold out if only sell to members?
    probably in smaller venues can happen..
    At least just open all tickets to members first and sell as many as 10C members will buy, and then sell the remainder to the general public.
    yes...but 10c dont own the venue...im not sure even if they ask,the ones has the rights for the tix will agree
    and is different small arenas than venues like MSG,
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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 99,890
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    what dreams wrote:
    :fp: Maybe PJ could do a *no* 10C event . . .
    Festivals.

    Don't say that!!! :cry:

    Festivals Suck!!!

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