Pearl Jam- New Ticket Drawing System Update/ New Merch Item

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  • EraserheadEraserhead Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,971
    Pap wrote:

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    -Emma- wrote:
    single tickets
    radar wrote:
    any chance for single tickets?


    +10000000000000000000000000000

    ^^^
    This

    I still don't understand why they can't do this!
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    JB128716 wrote:

    This could work. Let's say you have to purchase "Credits" for all the shows you want to go. So PJ is playing 4 nights in my hometown. I can only afford to go to two shows. So I prioritize my list in order of 1-4, like it is now. I go to another screen and pre-pay for two of them. So now I get two credits on the system. Show 1 gets raffled, I don't win. Show 2 gets raffled, I win (now I have 1 credit left). Show 3 gets raffled and I win. Now I have no credits left. Show 4 gets raffled and I get drawn, but I have no credits left so the tickets go in for a re-raffle. The system loops through this until all tickets are gone.

    Great idea!!!!!!!!

    I think the whole point of agreeing to pay for shows up front is to avoid this, so everyone is not putting in for a lot of shows they are not even sure they can make or afford. And lets look at this realistically- PJ has played 4 shows in the same city twice? And both were special occasions. From what I read on this idea, you are just trying to increase your odds of getting a show.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,448
    Eraserhead wrote:
    Pap wrote:

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    -Emma- wrote:
    single tickets
    radar wrote:
    any chance for single tickets?


    +10000000000000000000000000000

    ^^^
    This

    I still don't understand why they can't do this!

    I would try for more shows if I could secure singles. My job comes with a lot of flexibility and vacation time. Most of my friends don't have that luxury.
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  • dougfloyddougfloyd Fishers, IN Posts: 2,585
    JB128716 wrote:

    This could work. Let's say you have to purchase "Credits" for all the shows you want to go. So PJ is playing 4 nights in my hometown. I can only afford to go to two shows. So I prioritize my list in order of 1-4, like it is now. I go to another screen and pre-pay for two of them. So now I get two credits on the system. Show 1 gets raffled, I don't win. Show 2 gets raffled, I win (now I have 1 credit left). Show 3 gets raffled and I win. Now I have no credits left. Show 4 gets raffled and I get drawn, but I have no credits left so the tickets go in for a re-raffle. The system loops through this until all tickets are gone.

    Great idea!!!!!!!!

    I think the whole point of agreeing to pay for shows up front is to avoid this, so everyone is not putting in for a lot of shows they are not even sure they can make or afford. And lets look at this realistically- PJ has played 4 shows in the same city twice? And both were special occasions. From what I read on this idea, you are just trying to increase your odds of getting a show.


    I was going to ask a similar question. Unless we are going to be limited to one show per tour under the new system, then I think they could just add a drop down box on the order screen to say "Maximum number of shows I want to purchase tickets for:". That situation needs to be dealt with somehow. So let's say there are 10 shows on the tour and 5 of them are within driving distance for me but I can only afford to go to 2 shows. I'd rank the 5 shows that I liked and then put 2 in the maximum shows box. I'm sure there are other ways to accomplish this so it will be interesting to see what they do on the next tour.
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    dougfloyd wrote:
    JB128716 wrote:

    This could work. Let's say you have to purchase "Credits" for all the shows you want to go. So PJ is playing 4 nights in my hometown. I can only afford to go to two shows. So I prioritize my list in order of 1-4, like it is now. I go to another screen and pre-pay for two of them. So now I get two credits on the system. Show 1 gets raffled, I don't win. Show 2 gets raffled, I win (now I have 1 credit left). Show 3 gets raffled and I win. Now I have no credits left. Show 4 gets raffled and I get drawn, but I have no credits left so the tickets go in for a re-raffle. The system loops through this until all tickets are gone.



    I think the whole point of agreeing to pay for shows up front is to avoid this, so everyone is not putting in for a lot of shows they are not even sure they can make or afford. And lets look at this realistically- PJ has played 4 shows in the same city twice? And both were special occasions. From what I read on this idea, you are just trying to increase your odds of getting a show.


    I was going to ask a similar question. Unless we are going to be limited to one show per tour under the new system, then I think they could just add a drop down box on the order screen to say "Maximum number of shows I want to purchase tickets for:". That situation needs to be dealt with somehow. So let's say there are 10 shows on the tour and 5 of them are within driving distance for me but I can only afford to go to 2 shows. I'd rank the 5 shows that I liked and then put 2 in the maximum shows box. I'm sure there are other ways to accomplish this so it will be interesting to see what they do on the next tour.

    I think they have dealt with it, you agree to pay for the shows you put in for. I think they are trying to avoid everyone being able to put in for every show, but they only want to go to one.

    Realistically, this whole ranking your picks is only for the high demand shows, the Northeast, Seattle, Chicago, etc. I don't think they want everyone putting in for say both Boston shows, but saying if I don't get them, at least I can fall back on Atlanta or Charlotte.
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  • i think the ticket buying situation is fine. It's the lack of concerts to buy tickets for that is killing me


  • Realistically, this whole ranking your picks is only for the high demand shows, the Northeast, Seattle, Chicago, etc. I don't think they want everyone putting in for say both Boston shows, but saying if I don't get them, at least I can fall back on Atlanta or Charlotte.
    yeah...lets see how it works..im intresting to know,why they put in this test..4 shows...
    maybe will be the limit you can pick?..lets see how it goes
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  • So I'm new around here, and I took part in the test ticket system thing that they emailed us about this week.

    My question - after browsing the Forum a bit, I get the impression that it's usually REALLY hard to get good tickets/what you want during the Fan Club presales...is that accurate, generally-speaking?

    I joined up in hopes that 2013 will come with a lot of PJ activity (like most of us are hoping for), so I'm just curious.

    The system seemed pretty painless to me...
  • jackbo487 wrote:
    So I'm new around here, and I took part in the test ticket system thing that they emailed us about this week.

    My question - after browsing the Forum a bit, I get the impression that it's usually REALLY hard to get good tickets/what you want during the Fan Club presales...is that accurate, generally-speaking?

    I joined up in hopes that 2013 will come with a lot of PJ activity (like most of us are hoping for), so I'm just curious.

    The system seemed pretty painless to me...

    Well, you might get the tickets, but by just joining you're going to be screwed by the seniority system for where your seats will be.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,448
    jackbo487 wrote:
    So I'm new around here, and I took part in the test ticket system thing that they emailed us about this week.

    My question - after browsing the Forum a bit, I get the impression that it's usually REALLY hard to get good tickets/what you want during the Fan Club presales...is that accurate, generally-speaking?

    I joined up in hopes that 2013 will come with a lot of PJ activity (like most of us are hoping for), so I'm just curious.

    The system seemed pretty painless to me...

    It has been in the past. An insane amount of refreshing your browser and website crashes. There is a new system this year that hopefully will be an improvement. But that does remain to be seen.
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  • jackbo487 wrote:
    So I'm new around here, and I took part in the test ticket system thing that they emailed us about this week.

    My question - after browsing the Forum a bit, I get the impression that it's usually REALLY hard to get good tickets/what you want during the Fan Club presales...is that accurate, generally-speaking?

    I joined up in hopes that 2013 will come with a lot of PJ activity (like most of us are hoping for), so I'm just curious.

    The system seemed pretty painless to me...
    wellcome to the club..enjoy...you wiull love the concert no matter where you get tickets!
    if not get,fan club,you can get a spare from some other fan,or buy at public sales..
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  • shortstackshortstack Posts: 2,339
    i think the ticket buying situation is fine. It's the lack of concerts to buy tickets for that is killing me


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  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    Putting your name in 4 lotteries but only paying for/caring about 2 shows would lessen the odds for the person that only wants a single show.

    I think ??
  • Putting your name in 4 lotteries but only paying for/caring about 2 shows would lessen the odds for the person that only wants a single show.

    I think ??

    I'm not quite sure. Depends on how they do it, but I'm all for any mechanism that makes it vague enough (yes, vague) that folks are less inclined to put excessive amounts of shows in their queue.
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  • brewdog123brewdog123 ATL Posts: 681
    edited January 2013
    not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but i feel like they are trying to put in a ticketing system that is fairly similar, if not the same as Phish. Not that there is anything wrong with that, i think it is a good lottery system, but does anyone else agree? i havent looked too deep into this proposed ticketing system yet but that is what it feels like

    for their lottery you can choose 1-4 tickets per show. You can choose ga pit, ga lawn, or assigned seats (given the venue) or best available. Each individual show has its own lottery, so I can put in for the whole tour and potentially get every show i entered for, i also may not get any or maybe a get 2 shows out of 10. My credit card will be charged for any or all shows i enter the lottery for.
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  • red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
    edited January 2013
    A single ticket option would be cool, cause can't always find another person to go with. It would be a little cheaper, and I could go to another show or two that way. I would rather buy my single club tickets than fight stubhub after they snag them from ticketmaster.
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  • FR181798FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    Its great that they are running this trial but what about those prizes.
    Where have they been hiding those benny boxes all these years, I presume these were leftovers in case their were any faulty. I still remember that feeling of trying to click that link to buy only to be told they were sold out. Worth entering for the prizes no question, even if you atually got charged.
  • JB128716JB128716 Posts: 2,064
    JB128716 wrote:

    This could work. Let's say you have to purchase "Credits" for all the shows you want to go. So PJ is playing 4 nights in my hometown. I can only afford to go to two shows. So I prioritize my list in order of 1-4, like it is now. I go to another screen and pre-pay for two of them. So now I get two credits on the system. Show 1 gets raffled, I don't win. Show 2 gets raffled, I win (now I have 1 credit left). Show 3 gets raffled and I win. Now I have no credits left. Show 4 gets raffled and I get drawn, but I have no credits left so the tickets go in for a re-raffle. The system loops through this until all tickets are gone.

    Great idea!!!!!!!!

    I think the whole point of agreeing to pay for shows up front is to avoid this, so everyone is not putting in for a lot of shows they are not even sure they can make or afford. And lets look at this realistically- PJ has played 4 shows in the same city twice? And both were special occasions. From what I read on this idea, you are just trying to increase your odds of getting a show.

    My example is actually close to home. Eddie just did a tour where he played 2 shows in Jax, 2 in Orlando, 2 in Ft Lauderdale, and 2 in Clearwater.

    I could only afford to go to 4 of these shows and I didn't care which ones. It would be nice to be able to set a priority and say I can go to 4 of the shows and I'm willing to pay for 4 of the shows.

    I ended up not getting any ten club tickets (partly my fault for messing up the whole pay pal thing). But I ended up going to four of the shows by other means so it all worked out in the end.
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  • brewdog123brewdog123 ATL Posts: 681
    credits?! if you cant afford to go to shows, do not put in for them. simple as that
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    brewdog123 wrote:
    credits?! if you cant afford to go to shows, do not put in for them. simple as that

    i think you missed the point...

    lets say i could afford 2 shows, but there are 6 shows that i would be ok with attending. under the current system, i put in for 2, and don't get drawn.....now i'm fucked. but if you went with the credit system, i can put mark all 6 shows, but will only get the first two that are drawn. makes a ton of sense if you ask me.
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  • brewdog123brewdog123 ATL Posts: 681
    so what? thats the luck of the lottery. if you dont get selected, you would then go to the public onsale (TM, LN) and get your tickets there. you cant have everything. not that this makes it right, but this is how the phish lottery works, and it worls pretty well

    yall are trying to make this as complicated as possible
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    brewdog123 wrote:
    yall are trying to make this as complicated as possible


    i vote F5. pretty simple...buy what you can afford with out a bunch of hoops to jump thru
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  • brewdog123brewdog123 ATL Posts: 681
    now i will say in regards to the phish lottery, people put in for shows they have no intention on going to (ticket hoarders) to use a trade bait for shows they want to go to and didnt get tickets for. this creates another set of problems
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  • ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    Not sure I see the downside to allowing folks to choose the "max number" of shows in their ordered selections. So I live in central/northern NJ and let's pretend they are doing two shows in MSG, one in Philly, and one in Boston (just humor me on the number of shows).

    Obviously my selections would look something like this:

    1. MSG1
    2. MSG2
    3. Philly
    4. Boston

    Why not have a little drop down selector on the selection page that allows me to specify the max number of shows I want tickets for. So if I put 2, and let's say I was not drawn for MSG1 but was for all the rest, I would get MSG2 and Philly and not Boston. Since it is presumably a computer doing the selections, it means the Boston show remains in the pool for the next person, etc.

    The criticism I have seen to some of the ideas about ways to avoid overbooking oneself seem to be avoided and everyone gets a fair chance.
  • ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    81 said it better than me just 3 or 4 posts up.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,613
    brewdog123 wrote:
    now i will say in regards to the phish lottery, people put in for shows they have no intention on going to (ticket hoarders) to use a trade bait for shows they want to go to and didnt get tickets for. this creates another set of problems
    But since all 10c tix are will call there should be less of that here, though I don't doubt some will do it.
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  • brewdog123brewdog123 ATL Posts: 681
    i just dont understand the rational of wanting 4 shows but can only afford 2. I think you should figure out what 2 you want most and put in for them, and then let the lottery gods decide. If you get nothing, then it is on to ticketmaster public sale. it makes things real complicated with a ranking system. i dunno, beating a dead horse
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    brewdog123 wrote:
    i just dont understand the rational of wanting 4 shows but can only afford 2. I think you should figure out what 2 you want most and put in for them, and then let the lottery gods decide. If you get nothing, then it is on to ticketmaster public sale. it makes things real complicated with a ranking system. i dunno, beating a dead horse

    they have already made it more complicated by going to the ranking system. the more i think about it, the more i really dislike the system they are working.....

    what does the selection process look like.
    do we pick names one at a time and give them their higest ranked show.....or do we manipulate them so that we get the most people to a show regardless of rankings. the selection process really can get muddy. i wish they would tell us what the process is going to be.

    i still say bring back F5.
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    81 wrote:
    brewdog123 wrote:
    i just dont understand the rational of wanting 4 shows but can only afford 2. I think you should figure out what 2 you want most and put in for them, and then let the lottery gods decide. If you get nothing, then it is on to ticketmaster public sale. it makes things real complicated with a ranking system. i dunno, beating a dead horse

    they have already made it more complicated by going to the ranking system. the more i think about it, the more i really dislike the system they are working.....

    what does the selection process look like.
    do we pick names one at a time and give them their higest ranked show.....or do we manipulate them so that we get the most people to a show regardless of rankings. the selection process really can get muddy. i wish they would tell us what the process is going to be.

    i still say bring back F5.

    I'm for F5 too-or selling fan club on Ticketmaster with unique codes for each member like they did for Canada

    - but I think they could work a system where each show is a straight lottery, and you could mark that you only wanted 2 shows, so if you put in for 6, and say you win the first 2, you are pulled from the rest of the shows. That way if you are shut out of your #1 choice in a high demand area, you still have a chance at other shows

    tickets are done like this per 10c FAQ
    "Q: How does the show priority selection factor in to the drawing?

    A: For each show we will randomly draw members who have made that show their #1 priority. If any tickets remain the system will randomly draw names of members who have chosen that show as their #2 priority, and so on until every ticket for a given show has been sold.
    "
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  • 81 wrote:
    brewdog123 wrote:
    i just dont understand the rational of wanting 4 shows but can only afford 2. I think you should figure out what 2 you want most and put in for them, and then let the lottery gods decide. If you get nothing, then it is on to ticketmaster public sale. it makes things real complicated with a ranking system. i dunno, beating a dead horse

    they have already made it more complicated by going to the ranking system. the more i think about it, the more i really dislike the system they are working.....

    what does the selection process look like.
    do we pick names one at a time and give them their higest ranked show.....or do we manipulate them so that we get the most people to a show regardless of rankings. the selection process really can get muddy. i wish they would tell us what the process is going to be.

    i still say bring back F5.

    I'm for F5 too-or selling fan club on Ticketmaster with unique codes for each member like they did for Canada

    - but I think they could work a system where each show is a straight lottery, and you could mark that you only wanted 2 shows, so if you put in for 6, and say you win the first 2, you are pulled from the rest of the shows. That way if you are shut out of your #1 choice in a high demand area, you still have a chance at other shows

    tickets are done like this per 10c FAQ
    "Q: How does the show priority selection factor in to the drawing?

    A: For each show we will randomly draw members who have made that show their #1 priority. If any tickets remain the system will randomly draw names of members who have chosen that show as their #2 priority, and so on until every ticket for a given show has been sold.
    "

    I missed that last part. Wow! This is terrible and going to be a huge nightmare for the big cities. Not complaining. Duly noted that we get the tours. But, why would anyone put anything other than NYC, Boston, Philly as their #1?

    So, all these folks worrying about getting TOO MANY shows - stop worrying. You're only getting 1 in the Northeast unless you get EXTREMELY ;);) lucky. You will most likely get 1, and it may not be your first choice, but you're only getting that 1.

    EDIT: I say start pricing the tickets to market. That would solve a ton of this.
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