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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    DS1119 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:

    embryos are not people.


    There are many that would disagree with you on that.


    BTW, I am prochoice.

    ive no doubt there are.

    but just cause embryos have the potentiality to become people does mean they are people. just like caterpillars have the potentiality to become butterfies and moths, theyre not, theyre caterpillars.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Would you say that potential exists in the embryo?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    unsung wrote:
    Would you say that potential exists in the embryo?


    the potential to grow into a foetus and then if/when born, into a person, yes. there is also the potential that it could self abort at any stage of gestation... which is always a possibility with any pregnancy.
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  • Cosmo
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    DS1119 wrote:
    Sorry another gun topic but I feel this is an important statistic for all to ponder and not get lost in a thread somewhere. In my mind it really puts things into perspective about US citizen's rights. I really don't understand why people discount comparisons made between gun ownership and vehicle ownership in the United States as being irrelevant. In my mind it's very relevant. I hear and read people talking about if the number of guns are reduced the number of deaths would be reduced. I don't believe that, but let's assume it's true. Can't the same be said about reducing the number of vehicles in the country as well. If a person's justification for being anti-guns is to save lives , shouldn't they also be anti-car? I found these numbers to be an eye opener for me actually.

    These are 2009 numbers as they were the easiest to find. If someone wants to search out 2010 or 2011 feel free but I would assume they are pretty close.

    2009 Estimated US population was 305,529,237

    254,212,610 registered vehicles in the US including passenger cars, commercial vehicles, government vehicles, etc. All of them.

    Estimated that there are 270,000,000 guns in the US both legal and registered, legal and unregistered and illegal.

    33,308 fatalities in the US by motor vehicle.

    9,146 homocides by gun (legal and illegal homicides so that's a legal citizen doing it, police doing it, and criminals committing a crime).

    So there's less vehicles and more 3 times more fatalities by vehicle as compared to guns.
    ...
    Not that I don't believe you... but, being the skeptic that I am...
    Can you please provide the referenced sources of your data so I can verify them?
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  • unsung
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    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Would you say that potential exists in the embryo?


    the potential to grow into a foetus and then if/when born, into a person, yes. there is also the potential that it could self abort at any stage of gestation... which is always a possibility with any pregnancy.


    And a three year old could get terminal cancer. Life potential exists, I'm good with that, thank you.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    unsung wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Would you say that potential exists in the embryo?


    the potential to grow into a foetus and then if/when born, into a person, yes. there is also the potential that it could self abort at any stage of gestation... which is always a possibility with any pregnancy.


    And a three year old could get terminal cancer. Life potential exists, I'm good with that, thank you.


    no one is doubting life potential exists.... im saying its not a done deal.
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  • comebackgirl
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    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Would you say that potential exists in the embryo?


    the potential to grow into a foetus and then if/when born, into a person, yes. there is also the potential that it could self abort at any stage of gestation... which is always a possibility with any pregnancy.
    10-25% of pregnancies will result in miscarriage...so about 75-90% of embryos have the potential to become a person. About 20% of them will be sexually abused at some point. Many more will experience physical and emotional abuse and neglect. I wish every child got a say in the quality of their life.
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  • unsung
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    So 87 potential lives is worth more than 3500? I only ask because I was just asked to weigh 200 vs 10000.
  • unsung
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    comebackgirl wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Would you say that potential exists in the embryo?


    the potential to grow into a foetus and then if/when born, into a person, yes. there is also the potential that it could self abort at any stage of gestation... which is always a possibility with any pregnancy.
    10-25% of pregnancies will result in miscarriage...so about 75-90% of embryos have the potential to become a person. About 20% of them will be sexually abused at some point. Many more will experience physical and emotional abuse and neglect. I wish every child got a say in the quality of their life.


    So do I.
  • mickeyrat
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    so we've gone from gun control to abortion, next page lets tackle that pesky religion question.
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  • unsung
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    Yeah, can't discuss what the real killer of potential life is when comparing to another perceived destructor of life.


    40:1 abortions to gun deaths in the US daily.
  • catefrances
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    unsung wrote:
    Yeah, can't discuss what the real killer of potential life is when comparing to another perceived destructor of life.


    40:1 abortions to gun deaths in the US daily.

    sure we can... and i thought we were... and rather civilly.
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  • unsung
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    Sorry, I was referring to the post directly above my previous.
  • catefrances
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    unsung wrote:
    Sorry, I was referring to the post directly above my previous.



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  • aerial
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    catefrances wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    Guns are made to kill, cars are not...they are made to transport people.


    A true statement, although guns are also made to defend.


    Here's another statistic...I too found it with an easy Google search.

    87 people have their life ended each day in the US by a gun.
    3500 abortions are performed each day in the US.

    Lost potential at this grade school? 3500 is a lot of lost potential too. But that seems to be ok here.

    embryos are not people.

    Then why get rid of it? Why not leave it? Maybe because it means responsibility or consequences. Or on the other hand it reminds some of irresponsible moments.
    I am not referencing any crime that may have been committed.
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  • DS1119
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    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Not that I don't believe you... but, being the skeptic that I am...
    Can you please provide the referenced sources of your data so I can verify them?
    Thanx.



    US population 2009
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... d-counting

    Number of vehicles registered in 2009
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_ ... ted_States

    Number of guns. Gun numbers>civilian guns
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

    Number of deaths by motor vehicle
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... S._by_year

    Number of homicides by gun. Gun death and injury>number of gun homicides
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
  • unsung
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    catefrances wrote:

    embryos are not people.

    Are embryos life?
  • peacefrompaul
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    DS1119 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:

    so how do you suggest both statistics be reduced to zero then?

    I guess a bigger police presence would be one way.

    I'm good on that
  • unsung
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    I'll bet you are.



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