Something Interesting To Ponder
DS1119
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Sorry another gun topic but I feel this is an important statistic for all to ponder and not get lost in a thread somewhere. In my mind it really puts things into perspective about US citizen's rights. I really don't understand why people discount comparisons made between gun ownership and vehicle ownership in the United States as being irrelevant. In my mind it's very relevant. I hear and read people talking about if the number of guns are reduced the number of deaths would be reduced. I don't believe that, but let's assume it's true. Can't the same be said about reducing the number of vehicles in the country as well. If a person's justification for being anti-guns is to save lives , shouldn't they also be anti-car? I found these numbers to be an eye opener for me actually.
These are 2009 numbers as they were the easiest to find. If someone wants to search out 2010 or 2011 feel free but I would assume they are pretty close.
2009 Estimated US population was 305,529,237
254,212,610 registered vehicles in the US including passenger cars, commercial vehicles, government vehicles, etc. All of them.
Estimated that there are 270,000,000 guns in the US both legal and registered, legal and unregistered and illegal.
33,308 fatalities in the US by motor vehicle.
9,146 homocides by gun (legal and illegal homicides so that's a legal citizen doing it, police doing it, and criminals committing a crime).
So there's less vehicles and more 3 times more fatalities by vehicle as compared to guns.
These are 2009 numbers as they were the easiest to find. If someone wants to search out 2010 or 2011 feel free but I would assume they are pretty close.
2009 Estimated US population was 305,529,237
254,212,610 registered vehicles in the US including passenger cars, commercial vehicles, government vehicles, etc. All of them.
Estimated that there are 270,000,000 guns in the US both legal and registered, legal and unregistered and illegal.
33,308 fatalities in the US by motor vehicle.
9,146 homocides by gun (legal and illegal homicides so that's a legal citizen doing it, police doing it, and criminals committing a crime).
So there's less vehicles and more 3 times more fatalities by vehicle as compared to guns.
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for fucks sake, go buy a 30 pack and_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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that argurement is so logical, not to mention backed up with bullet proof stats.
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Guns are made to kill, cars are not...they are made to transport people. Assault weapons are made to kill people many MORE people in a short period of time that to me is the difference.
I've driven many kinds of vehicles and I've shot all sorts of assault weapons from m16-m60's and all in between.
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this.g under p wrote:Guns are made to kill, cars are not...they are made to transport people. Assault weapons are made to kill people many MORE people in a short period of time that to me is the difference.
I've driven many kinds of vehicles and I've shot all sorts of assault weapons from m16-m60's and all in between.
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Guns. Guns, and more guns. The United States should have a look at the gun laws In Canada, then have a look at how many senseless mass killings happen in Canada. Then compare the 2 countries, the answer is quite obvious. Canada does not have these horrible shootings....I wonder why?
U.S. just needs to say no more guns, forget ruling the whole world, clean up the gun violence in your country.
These multiple yearly shootings make me sick.0 -
I'm just pointing out the legitimate numbers. People can take them for what they want. Don't jump on me. They are what they are. I personally would like to see both numbers reduced to zero.0
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DS1119 wrote:I'm just pointing out the legitimate numbers. People can take them for what they want. Don't jump on me. They are what they are. I personally would like to see both numbers reduced to zero.
in order to reduce to zero the number of both vehicle fatalities and gun fatalities, both the number of guns and cars would have to be reduced to zero. how do you stand on that?hear my name
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DS1119 wrote:I'm just pointing out the legitimate numbers. People can take them for what they want. Don't jump on me. They are what they are. I personally would like to see both numbers reduced to zero.
I'm not jumping on you man, I was just thinking out loud.0 -
catefrances wrote:DS1119 wrote:I'm just pointing out the legitimate numbers. People can take them for what they want. Don't jump on me. They are what they are. I personally would like to see both numbers reduced to zero.
in order to reduce to zero the number of both vehicle fatalities and gun fatalities, both the number of guns and cars would have to be reduced to zero. how do you stand on that?
Since I sell cars and I believe it's a US citizen's right to bear arms I'd be against reducing both to zero.0 -
DS1119 wrote:catefrances wrote:DS1119 wrote:I'm just pointing out the legitimate numbers. People can take them for what they want. Don't jump on me. They are what they are. I personally would like to see both numbers reduced to zero.
in order to reduce to zero the number of both vehicle fatalities and gun fatalities, both the number of guns and cars would have to be reduced to zero. how do you stand on that?
Since I sell cars and I believe it's a US citizen's right to bear arms I'd be against reducing both to zero.
so how do you suggest both statistics be reduced to zero then?hear my name
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catefrances wrote:
so how do you suggest both statistics be reduced to zero then?
I guess a bigger police presence would be one way.0 -
DS1119 wrote:I'm just pointing out the legitimate numbers. People can take them for what they want. Don't jump on me. They are what they are. I personally would like to see both numbers reduced to zero.
people use cars everyday. almost every American. Guns are not used everyday. I really hope I didn't have to point this out to you.
It's a crap arguement even for the simplest of minds.0 -
theory has already been debunked and shown to actually support gun regulation increases.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487g under p wrote:Guns are made to kill, cars are not...they are made to transport people.
A true statement, although guns are also made to defend.
Here's another statistic...I too found it with an easy Google search.
87 people have their life ended each day in the US by a gun.
3500 abortions are performed each day in the US.
Lost potential at this grade school? 3500 is a lot of lost potential too. But that seems to be ok here.0 -
unsung wrote:g under p wrote:Guns are made to kill, cars are not...they are made to transport people.
A true statement, although guns are also made to defend.
Here's another statistic...I too found it with an easy Google search.
87 people have their life ended each day in the US by a gun.
3500 abortions are performed each day in the US.
Lost potential at this grade school? 3500 is a lot of lost potential too. But that seems to be ok here.
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catefrances wrote:
embryos are not people.
There are many that would disagree with you on that.
BTW, I am prochoice.0
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