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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    polaris_x wrote:
    high speed rail is definitely part of the solution ... especially if its electrified ... it would make economic sense to develop this system in sections ...

    the US northeast ... it's absurd that there isn't a high speed rail network connecting boston, ny, philly, dc, baltimore ...

    in ontario - windsor to ottawa/montreal ...

    lukin ... as far as your trip to toronto ... i think via is about the same as the greyhound and you get wi-fi included ... i do think you are looking at it wrong in terms of economics ... i mean ... we have ttc here ... if i have 5 people ... it's always gonna be cheaper by car ... these mass transit systems are never going to beat a car out ... and it shouldn't be evaluated like that ... you need to factor in that you and your wife can read a book, play cards, play tonsil hockey ... whatever and not worry about traffic and the boring stretch of the 401 through chatham ... you don't have to worry about parking your car in the city and dealing with potential congestion ...

    this is the thing with the environment ... we have to move beyond the short sighted evaluations and look at the entire picture ...
    I thought there were commuter trains connecting those cities.. no??
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I thought there were commuter trains connecting those cities.. no??

    ya ... via rail ... it's actually not too bad ... just looked online and you can get a $39 ticket from windsor to toronto ... just over 4 hrs ...

    still tho - with high speed rail ... it would be half the time which means if I wanted to go to say montreal for the weekend ... i can be there for like a late dinner as opposed to late at night and can return sunday evening as opposed to sunday afternoon ...

    and plus - a lot less people would have to fly ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I thought there were commuter trains connecting those cities.. no??

    ya ... via rail ... it's actually not too bad ... just looked online and you can get a $39 ticket from windsor to toronto ... just over 4 hrs ...

    still tho - with high speed rail ... it would be half the time which means if I wanted to go to say montreal for the weekend ... i can be there for like a late dinner as opposed to late at night and can return sunday evening as opposed to sunday afternoon ...

    and plus - a lot less people would have to fly ...

    when I was looking it wasn't 39...are they like airlines...rates vary. Doesn't really matter...when I was only going overnight and had multiple task to do...getting in at 2 or 2:30 made taking the train challenging.

    High speed rail would certainly make it an easier decision...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I thought there were commuter trains connecting those cities.. no??

    ya ... via rail ... it's actually not too bad ... just looked online and you can get a $39 ticket from windsor to toronto ... just over 4 hrs ...

    still tho - with high speed rail ... it would be half the time which means if I wanted to go to say montreal for the weekend ... i can be there for like a late dinner as opposed to late at night and can return sunday evening as opposed to sunday afternoon ...

    and plus - a lot less people would have to fly ...
    I would love to travel by train instead of fly, but leaving from Vancouver that is considered a part of the vacation rather than transportation, and it actually costs more than airfare to go anywhere beyond Seattle (and no where in Canada)! That's SO stupid.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    when I was looking it wasn't 39...are they like airlines...rates vary. Doesn't really matter...when I was only going overnight and had multiple task to do...getting in at 2 or 2:30 made taking the train challenging.

    High speed rail would certainly make it an easier decision...

    i dunno ... i just went to the website to see how long the train ride was and seeing as we were talking about it ... i decided to punch in a windsor to toronto ticket ... it says it was a web only price ... $39 x 2 x 2 (assuming you can get a return ticket at same price) + hst = $176 ... that's not bad for a 4hr train ride for 2 return ...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    when I was looking it wasn't 39...are they like airlines...rates vary. Doesn't really matter...when I was only going overnight and had multiple task to do...getting in at 2 or 2:30 made taking the train challenging.

    High speed rail would certainly make it an easier decision...

    i dunno ... i just went to the website to see how long the train ride was and seeing as we were talking about it ... i decided to punch in a windsor to toronto ticket ... it says it was a web only price ... $39 x 2 x 2 (assuming you can get a return ticket at same price) + hst = $176 ... that's not bad for a 4hr train ride for 2 return ...


    But, you can spend $75 in gas. ;)

    I think trains, etc are far more convenient and cost effective with less people. You would easily rather have a car full of 4 drive then pay $350.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I would love to travel by train instead of fly, but leaving from Vancouver that is considered a part of the vacation rather than transportation, and it actually costs more than airfare to go anywhere beyond Seattle (and no where in Canada)! That's SO stupid.

    i've traveled a lot of the world and train is definitely the best ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    when I was looking it wasn't 39...are they like airlines...rates vary. Doesn't really matter...when I was only going overnight and had multiple task to do...getting in at 2 or 2:30 made taking the train challenging.

    High speed rail would certainly make it an easier decision...

    i dunno ... i just went to the website to see how long the train ride was and seeing as we were talking about it ... i decided to punch in a windsor to toronto ticket ... it says it was a web only price ... $39 x 2 x 2 (assuming you can get a return ticket at same price) + hst = $176 ... that's not bad for a 4hr train ride for 2 return ...

    I agree the price is reasonable...but unfortunately they cut the early train, so now the train don't leave till around 8...so its 2-2:30 before you get to Toronto.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I agree the price is reasonable...but unfortunately they cut the early train, so now the train don't leave till around 8...so its 2-2:30 before you get to Toronto.

    when i did a search ... all the trains were just over 4 hrs ... how do you leave at 8 and get in at 2 or 2:30?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    But, you can spend $75 in gas. ;)

    I think trains, etc are far more convenient and cost effective with less people. You would easily rather have a car full of 4 drive then pay $350.

    ya ... i guess you missed the original part of the conversation where i talked about how that evaluation doesn't factor everything in ... it's always gonna be cheaper with more people to drive .. but you have to consider everything like no one actually has to drive ... you can read, do work, etc. on the train ... you don't have the wear and tear of 750 km drive ... you don't have to pay for parking the entire weekend ... not worry about congestion ... etc ...
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Zoso wrote:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/chris-matthews-climate-change-challengers-pigs_n_2048861.html

    I'm not into name calling those who don't believe the facts but I'm sick of people not believeing what is right before their eyes.. it's ignorance pure and simple.


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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I agree the price is reasonable...but unfortunately they cut the early train, so now the train don't leave till around 8...so its 2-2:30 before you get to Toronto.

    when i did a search ... all the trains were just over 4 hrs ... how do you leave at 8 and get in at 2 or 2 :30?

    Sorry...it'd be 12 - 12:30...still not leaving much time if you have other task to accomplish...sometimes the train just isn't feasible.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon

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