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lukin2006 · September 2012

SatansFuton wrote:

dougfloyd wrote:

cowboypjfan wrote:

It's one game. one loss. Romo is NOT the problem. There was a letdown. Let's not judge the whole season on 1 game. Sure, that's what the media does week in and week out and that's why they suck.

Romo has been the starting QB for 6 or 7 seasons, any judgement made about his abilities are likely formed from watching him over time, and not some overreaction to yesterday's game. I didn't even see the game yesterday, except the very end, but I still say you guys aren't going to win a Super Bowl with Romo. Well, it's possible he could win a ring, but he would have to have an incredible team around him. He is not the type of guy that can take an OK to mediocre team to the championship on the strength of his leadership and talent.

Romo is just one of the problems the Cowboys have, I don't think anybody is saying that replacing Romo would translate into immediate success. It can't hurt though. Or, as others have said, at least let the season play out and see if he's improved before you go talking about a 5 year contract extension. What would that extension be based on? Jersey sales? See how he performs and make the decision based on that.

1 thing is I don't think there in the playoffs mix at the end of the year...a real possibility to have a top 15 or higher pick. How many of those 14 teams or so will be in the market for a QB considering 5 rookies QB's are starting now and over the last few years many other teams have spent high picks on QB's...this might be a good opportunity to get a good QB without actually having the number 1 pick. Then they need to spend the next 2 drafts on some high quality lineman.

I totally agree with you that Romo will not lead them to the promise land...and to lock him for 5 more years is just silly...but thats what jones does...

cowboypjfan · September 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

Romo has been the starting QB for 6 or 7 seasons, any judgement made about his abilities are likely formed from watching him over time, and not some overreaction to yesterday's game. I didn't even see the game yesterday, except the very end, but I still say you guys aren't going to win a Super Bowl with Romo. Well, it's possible he could win a ring, but he would have to have an incredible team around him. He is not the type of guy that can take an OK to mediocre team to the championship on the strength of his leadership and talent.

Romo is just one of the problems the Cowboys have, I don't think anybody is saying that replacing Romo would translate into immediate success. It can't hurt though. Or, as others have said, at least let the season play out and see if he's improved before you go talking about a 5 year contract extension. What would that extension be based on? Jersey sales? See how he performs and make the decision based on that.

1 thing is I don't think there in the playoffs mix at the end of the year...a real possibility to have a top 15 or higher pick. How many of those 14 teams or so will be in the market for a QB considering 5 rookies QB's are starting now and over the last few years many other teams have spent high picks on QB's...this might be a good opportunity to get a good QB without actually having the number 1 pick. Then they need to spend the next 2 drafts on some high quality lineman.

I totally agree with you that Romo will not lead them to the promise land...and to lock him for 5 more years is just silly...but thats what jones does...[/quote]

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Now, this is just getting silly

Again, Romo is NOT the problem and is a good qb(a super bowl away from being elite). The guy has put up some incredible numbers over the years and has been the NFL's best qb in the 4th quarter over the last five years(look at the stats). It is unfortunate that everyone still rags on him just because he is the Cowboys qb.

Do you think he was the problem last year? If so, you must not have watched the defense all season long.

Yesterday, the game was lost in the trenches. Our O line had Romo running for his life and couldn't create any holes for Murray. Our D line got beat repeatedly and allowed Lynch to run all over us and couldn't get off the field.

It's amazing how this whole Romo talk comes about after 1 loss. Yes, 1 loss and he wasn't even the problem. Unreal. Save the 'let's fire Romo' shit until the dust settles and the season is over.

Hartydog · September 2012

This performance was just dumbfounding. I can't believe how bad the D got run over in the 2nd half. And Felix, oh Felix - take a seat.

lukin2006 · September 2012

cowboypjfan wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Romo has been the starting QB for 6 or 7 seasons, any judgement made about his abilities are likely formed from watching him over time, and not some overreaction to yesterday's game. I didn't even see the game yesterday, except the very end, but I still say you guys aren't going to win a Super Bowl with Romo. Well, it's possible he could win a ring, but he would have to have an incredible team around him. He is not the type of guy that can take an OK to mediocre team to the championship on the strength of his leadership and talent.

Romo is just one of the problems the Cowboys have, I don't think anybody is saying that replacing Romo would translate into immediate success. It can't hurt though. Or, as others have said, at least let the season play out and see if he's improved before you go talking about a 5 year contract extension. What would that extension be based on? Jersey sales? See how he performs and make the decision based on that.

1 thing is I don't think there in the playoffs mix at the end of the year...a real possibility to have a top 15 or higher pick. How many of those 14 teams or so will be in the market for a QB considering 5 rookies QB's are starting now and over the last few years many other teams have spent high picks on QB's...this might be a good opportunity to get a good QB without actually having the number 1 pick. Then they need to spend the next 2 drafts on some high quality lineman.

I totally agree with you that Romo will not lead them to the promise land...and to lock him for 5 more years is just silly...but thats what jones does...

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Now, this is just getting silly

Again, Romo is NOT the problem and is a good qb(a super bowl away from being elite). The guy has put up some incredible numbers over the years and has been the NFL's best qb in the 4th quarter over the last five years(look at the stats). It is unfortunate that everyone still rags on him just because he is the Cowboys qb.

Do you think he was the problem last year? If so, you must not have watched the defense all season long.

Yesterday, the game was lost in the trenches. Our O line had Romo running for his life and couldn't create any holes for Murray. Our D line got beat repeatedly and allowed Lynch to run all over us and couldn't get off the field.

It's amazing how this whole Romo talk comes about after 1 loss. Yes, 1 loss and he wasn't even the problem. Unreal. Save the 'let's fire Romo' shit until the dust settles and the season is over.

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Yes he has put up incredible numbers...thats just it...I don't care about the numbers...at the end of the day he'll probably hold every Cowboy passing record...but he'll never win a super bowl...some guys just have it and know how to win (Eli Manning), some guys don't (Romo), he's won 1 maybe 2 meaningful games.

He's not the entire problem...but unless he has a great team I doubt he'll be winning.

I just don't see whats the need to rush into signing him. See how the season plays out, see where your drafting, who's ahead of you and what QB's will be available.

Hartydog · September 2012

Romo is definitely not the problem. The roster is thin. Jerry the owner needs to fire the GM.

lukin2006 · September 2012

Hartydog wrote:

Romo is definitely not the problem. The roster is thin. Jerry the owner needs to fire the GM.

He'll be the problem if he's signed to a 5 year extension. That's the problem with Jones GM...he signs these guys in their 30's to these extensions, and most footballs players are on the downside of their career after 30.

With so many teams taking QB's the last 2-3 years and if the Cowboys miss the playoffs then this might be as good as time as any to draft a QB of the future and the then start building the O line and D line.

I'm just not kidding myself anymore...this team is not that good...

On defense I think they got the talent to keep this team in games...but lets be real Rob Ryan is so over rated.

Why did he blitz a rookie QB so little...especially a vertically challenged QB.

Another problem with Jones the GM...he saw how poorly the D played last year...Jack Del Rio became available...out goes Ryan in come Jack...you solve 2 problems...you upgrade your coaching on defense and you have Garetts replacement...because Jack did a hell of a job coaching in Jacksonville with far less resources than the coach's in Dallas have.

But your right owner Jerry needs to replace GM Jerry...and this team will never win with GM Jerry.

cowboypjfan · September 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

Hartydog wrote:

Romo is definitely not the problem. The roster is thin. Jerry the owner needs to fire the GM.

He'll be the problem if he's signed to a 5 year extension. That's the problem with Jones GM...he signs these guys in their 30's to these extensions, and most footballs players are on the downside of their career after 30.

With so many teams taking QB's the last 2-3 years and if the Cowboys miss the playoffs then this might be as good as time as any to draft a QB of the future and the then start building the O line and D line.

I'm just not kidding myself anymore...this team is not that good...

On defense I think they got the talent to keep this team in games...but lets be real Rob Ryan is so over rated.

Why did he blitz a rookie QB so little...especially a vertically challenged QB.

Another problem with Jones the GM...he saw how poorly the D played last year...Jack Del Rio became available...out goes Ryan in come Jack...you solve 2 problems...you upgrade your coaching on defense and you have Garetts replacement...because Jack did a hell of a job coaching in Jacksonville with far less resources than the coach's in Dallas have.

But your right owner Jerry needs to replace GM Jerry...and this team will never win with GM Jerry.

lol, now Jack Del Rio is Jason Garrett's replacement and did a hell of a job in Jacksonville? A below .500 record(69-73) is a hell of a job? You certainly have a point about GM Jerry but you are losing credibility with everything else you are ranting about. If you claim Jerry is such a bad GM, what makes you think it will be easy to replace a guy like Romo(in one draft)?? Do you remember how long it took to replace Aikman?

Also, Rob Ryan didn't get a full training camp last year to be properly evaluated so why would they dump him for Del Rio?

lukin2006 · September 2012

cowboypjfan wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Hartydog wrote:

Romo is definitely not the problem. The roster is thin. Jerry the owner needs to fire the GM.

He'll be the problem if he's signed to a 5 year extension. That's the problem with Jones GM...he signs these guys in their 30's to these extensions, and most footballs players are on the downside of their career after 30.

With so many teams taking QB's the last 2-3 years and if the Cowboys miss the playoffs then this might be as good as time as any to draft a QB of the future and the then start building the O line and D line.

I'm just not kidding myself anymore...this team is not that good...

On defense I think they got the talent to keep this team in games...but lets be real Rob Ryan is so over rated.

Why did he blitz a rookie QB so little...especially a vertically challenged QB.

Another problem with Jones the GM...he saw how poorly the D played last year...Jack Del Rio became available...out goes Ryan in come Jack...you solve 2 problems...you upgrade your coaching on defense and you have Garetts replacement...because Jack did a hell of a job coaching in Jacksonville with far less resources than the coach's in Dallas have.

But your right owner Jerry needs to replace GM Jerry...and this team will never win with GM Jerry.

lol, now Jack Del Rio is Jason Garrett's replacement and did a hell of a job in Jacksonville? A below .500 record(69-73) is a hell of a job? You certainly have a point about GM Jerry but you are losing credibility with everything else you are ranting about. If you claim Jerry is such a bad GM, what makes you think it will be easy to replace a guy like Romo(in one draft)?? Do you remember how long it took to replace Aikman?

Also, Rob Ryan didn't get a full training camp last year to be properly evaluated so why would they dump him for Del Rio?

he did a hell of a job in 1 of the smallest football markets with far less resources than the Cowboys have...and I said as possible replacement if Jason does't workout...but as D Coordinator he is way better than Ryan. Ryan lost all credibility with me last Sunday...you got 5'10" QB and you hardly blitz him...did he not see the game film from when he played Arizona and Arizona blitzed and the results Arizona got.

And really Jason has proven himself to you...have you seen the job Harbaugh's doing in his second year in San Fran, and many other coach's after 2-3 years...as far as I'm concerned this team is run like a little league team...Jason wants everyone to play...he should have sat Felix after that fumble and Bryant after that drop, neither have a track to offer me the benefit of the doubt and Bryant doesn't deserve the 88 on his back.

Romo is incapable of being a big time QB...heck he's barely the 3rd best QB in the division...

Do I trust Jerry to get it right with the QB...I don't know...but if their drafting in the top 15 there is real possibility that they could get one of the top 2-3 QB's available...shouldn't be that hard...

The question should be do we trust the Cowboys to develop a future QB?

Every thing I read is that Jason has a lot more say over player personell than most Cowboy coach's have. If this is true he isn't much better that Jones a drafting top talent.

cowboypjfan · September 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

he did a hell of a job in 1 of the smallest football markets with far less resources than the Cowboys have...and I said as possible replacement if Jason does't workout...but as D Coordinator he is way better than Ryan. Ryan lost all credibility with me last Sunday...you got 5'10" QB and you hardly blitz him...did he not see the game film from when he played Arizona and Arizona blitzed and the results Arizona got.

And really Jason has proven himself to you...have you seen the job Harbaugh's doing in his second year in San Fran, and many other coach's after 2-3 years...as far as I'm concerned this team is run like a little league team...Jason wants everyone to play...he should have sat Felix after that fumble and Bryant after that drop, neither have a track to offer me the benefit of the doubt and Bryant doesn't deserve the 88 on his back.

Romo is incapable of being a big time QB...heck he's barely the 3rd best QB in the division...

Do I trust Jerry to get it right with the QB...I don't know...but if their drafting in the top 15 there is real possibility that they could get one of the top 2-3 QB's available...shouldn't be that hard...

The question should be do we trust the Cowboys to develop a future QB?

Every thing I read is that Jason has a lot more say over player personell than most Cowboy coach's have. If this is true he isn't much better that Jones a drafting top talent.

Certainly, these can all be good arguments but not after 1 loss. Maybe at the end of the season if all goes to shit. Didn't Romo just play arguably his best regular season game 12 days ago? Didn't the defense look great in stopping the defending champion Giants and holding them under 300 total yards?

I say let's not blow this out of proportion just yet since it is only one loss. However, as I've mentioned, you do have some really good offseason topics to discuss if the Boys crumble and miss the playoffs.

Also, Romo is the 2nd best qb in this division, hands down. People argue that he is better than Eli but that is a tough one since Eli's defense showed up at the right time and helped hand him 2 super bowl trophies. There is no way I would want Vick as my qb and the jury is still out on a rookie in Washington.

lukin2006 · September 2012

cowboypjfan wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

he did a hell of a job in 1 of the smallest football markets with far less resources than the Cowboys have...and I said as possible replacement if Jason does't workout...but as D Coordinator he is way better than Ryan. Ryan lost all credibility with me last Sunday...you got 5'10" QB and you hardly blitz him...did he not see the game film from when he played Arizona and Arizona blitzed and the results Arizona got.

And really Jason has proven himself to you...have you seen the job Harbaugh's doing in his second year in San Fran, and many other coach's after 2-3 years...as far as I'm concerned this team is run like a little league team...Jason wants everyone to play...he should have sat Felix after that fumble and Bryant after that drop, neither have a track to offer me the benefit of the doubt and Bryant doesn't deserve the 88 on his back.

Romo is incapable of being a big time QB...heck he's barely the 3rd best QB in the division...

Do I trust Jerry to get it right with the QB...I don't know...but if their drafting in the top 15 there is real possibility that they could get one of the top 2-3 QB's available...shouldn't be that hard...

The question should be do we trust the Cowboys to develop a future QB?

Every thing I read is that Jason has a lot more say over player personell than most Cowboy coach's have. If this is true he isn't much better that Jones a drafting top talent.

Certainly, these can all be good arguments but not after 1 loss. Maybe at the end of the season if all goes to shit. Didn't Romo just play arguably his best regular season game 12 days ago? Didn't the defense look great in stopping the defending champion Giants and holding them under 300 total yards?

I say let's not blow this out of proportion just yet since it is only one loss. However, as I've mentioned, you do have some really good offseason topics to discuss if the Boys crumble and miss the playoffs.

Also, Romo is the 2nd best qb in this division, hands down. People argue that he is better than Eli but that is a tough one since Eli's defense showed up at the right time and helped hand him 2 super bowl trophies. There is no way I would want Vick as my qb and the jury is still out on a rookie in Washington.

QB's in the division
Manning - 2 SB, nuff said
RG3 - what Cowboy fan wouldn't take him over Romo. The jury's not out for me.
Romo
Vick - but Vick is 2-0 and has lead his team back so that might give him an edge

The problem I have with this team is you get a win against the Giants...Jason has 10 days to get them prepared for Seattle, they looked like they just started training camp. Being unprepared is very much on the coach's. I really don't see how you can just throw away games in the NFL, especially with such a tough schedule ahead of them...they had a solid chance at going 4-0 before the bye week. Rob Ryan is over rated as a coach...

lukin2006 · September 2012

Cowboys football is simply average

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/i ... e-team-nfl

Hartydog · September 2012

I'm pumped that I'm going to get the game on my cable this weekend. Hopefully they shake off the abysmal Seattle game and improve.

lukin2006 · September 2012

This Cowboys Offense Sucks....

Doug Free...really...he was terrible last year...even worse this year...some guys when you hand them big money...well what can be said.

Either Witten is still suffering from the spleen injury or he's slipping.

dougfloyd · September 2012

A win is a win I guess but man was that ugly... Romo with some stupid plays in this game but showed some toughness coming back after that hit he took to the head. Also, Church is out for the year with a torn achilles, probably means more playing time for Mike Jenkins, uhoh.

Sure hope Garrett or somebody on the offensive staff gets on this offensive line for all the penalties, never saw so many false starts from a team playing at home :fp: Good thing Tampa's offense is beyond awful so Dallas was able to overcome it.

Hartydog · September 2012

Ugly covers it. I want to say the D looked okay but I think Tampa's offense sucked so bad it's tough to tell. Brutal game to watch but glad we got a win. What really sucks is the Eagles should be 0-3.

lukin2006 · September 2012

This was just a terrible game...didn't Tampa put up 30 points or something like that against the giants. I'm going to give the D credit here, after Seattle last week I think they came to play, especially missing three starters and losing Church...

This offense is just terrible...Garrett needs to give up the play calling, he's not good at at.

A win is win I suppose...but overall this team does not look good.

cowboypjfan · September 2012

Gotta hand it to the defense this week. They certainly delivered with multiple injuries at safety. Offense needs to get it going and quit the mental mistakes but the defense is very encouraging. As mentioned already, a win is a win.

lukin2006 · September 2012

cowboypjfan wrote:

Gotta hand it to the defense this week. They certainly delivered with multiple injuries at safety. Offense needs to get it going and quit the mental mistakes but the defense is very encouraging. As mentioned already, a win is a win.

Agree...the defence was excellent and Ware was bringing it, I thought Jenkins played very well....he may have to play safety

. Until the offence quits getting so many before the snap penalties its hard to say how good they are, and if they don't pass protect better Orton will be the starter sooner or later because Romo will be sidelined. I still think Garrett needs to give up the play calling.

Overall my impression after 3 games is they'll be hard pressed to win 7 games...this offensive line is just terrible and no doubt Free is the worst of the bunch and he's no better at the right side than left side.

To me it's unfortunate...because you would have hoped moving in on 2 complete seasons with Garrett you'd see some hope...I see hope on the D but on the offensive side of the ball they just look terrible and thats his strong suit

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cowboypjfan · September 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

Rob Ryan is over rated as a coach...

You might want to take that comment back

Rob Ryan's defense looks to be #1 in the league after GB and Seattle play tonight. They are only giving up 137 passing yards per game and 113 rushing yards. I just hope the run d improves a bit more once Ratliff gets back.

lukin2006 · September 2012

cowboypjfan wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Rob Ryan is over rated as a coach...

You might want to take that comment back Rob Ryan's defense looks to be #1 in the league after GB and Seattle play tonight. They are only giving up 137 passing yards per game and 113 rushing yards. I just hope the run d improves a bit more once Ratliff gets back.

I'm not taking it back...he's over rated...against Seattle who was using a rookie QB who is vertically challenged he barely blitzed. The week before Arizona was extremely effective blitzing against Seattle. The defence has by far more talented players than the offence and needs to be consistent. Yesterdays performance was more about player pride than Ryan...guys like Ware, Lee, Carr etc. were embarrassed with how they performed against Seattle and stood up and delivered a good performance.

Now if the offensive line could ever step up from three weeks of embarrassing play then maybe this team has a chance.

Ryans D were never very consistent in Oakland or Cleveland and the D has been extremely inconsistent so far in his 1 plus years in Dallas.

Why every time there is a regime change in Dallas do Cowboy fans think it should take 4-5 years to see improvement? There are plenty examples of NFL teams who turn around quickly...this team will never win underJones...Jones has convinced himself that he built the early 90's team...until he realizes that Jimmy Johnson was responsible for those teams this team is doomed for failure.

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