Which Is WORSE For Your Health: Marijuana Or Alcohol?
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... just play safe, as with all recreational pursuits...Post edited by moretonbayfig on0
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it's not about being a jerk it's about being in a different state...brianlux wrote:
I guess it's knowing ones' limits. Some people have a single drink or a small toke and become total idiots or belligerent or whatever and other have a half dozen drinks and smoke a whole fatty and be quite pleasant and remain responsible. Like I said, my parents liked to drink a bit now and then and I think those were actually times they were doing me a favor because it lightened them up a bit. It really is about behaviors. At least that's my experience.
an experiment... video tape yourself blitzed bombed whatever you called it and see what
the straight eye sees. Now be in the shoes of a tiny child learning...
and yes my home too full of party times, it's where we learn how to have fun.
Also, if often enough, how we learn to be an alcoholic or pot head....
or go on to the use of harder drugs.
All I am saying is don't teach children this s is how to have fun because it can set
them up for trouble.0 -
I did...prism wrote:
did anyone notice the source of this link? now what would drug rehab centers and the national institute on drug abuse have to gain by promoting scare tactics that convince ppl that pot is addictive and dangerous? hmmmm...might it be hundreds of millions (probably more) in profits?
the conclusions are based on very small studies, which leaves one wondering which more positive/less negative studies were left out. i'm not saying it doesn't bring up a few points...though it mostly seems like a more clinical version of reefer madness :P
like others have already said, pot as with anything used in excess can potentially cause harm...it's all about moderation0 -
pandora wrote:it's not about being a jerk it's about being in a different state...
an experiment... video tape yourself blitzed bombed whatever you called it and see what
the straight eye sees. Now be in the shoes of a tiny child learning...
and yes my home too full of party times, it's where we learn how to have fun.
Also, if often enough, how we learn to be an alcoholic or pot head....
or go on to the use of harder drugs.
All I am saying is don't teach children this s is how to have fun because it can set
them up for trouble.
I know someone who was video taped (unbeknownst to him at the time) while quite drunk. Seeing the video later on led him to making some changes in his life. That was a good thing. That would not happen to me. The only problem I would have in being video taped in any state would be that I am self-conscious about being video taped. I never let myself get out of control, even in a different state of mind. I don't have a problem with being in a different state of mind if that's my intention. And no one around me does either. I know my limits and I'm a responsible person. If someone can't be responsible and know their limits, that might be a problem.
I find it interesting that you say you have parties where you learn to have fun and that through your parties at home you learned to be an alcoholic or pot head and have gone on to harder drugs. I didn't know that about you. That seems incongruous to other things you have said in other posts. Easy does it, Pandora."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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Why do you have to turn every conversation about drugs into a conversation about parenting? I realize they are not mutually exclusive topics, but the topic of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with children or parenting.pandora wrote:it's not about being a jerk it's about being in a different state...
an experiment... video tape yourself blitzed bombed whatever you called it and see what
the straight eye sees. Now be in the shoes of a tiny child learning...
and yes my home too full of party times, it's where we learn how to have fun.
Also, if often enough, how we learn to be an alcoholic or pot head....
or go on to the use of harder drugs.
All I am saying is don't teach children this s is how to have fun because it can set
them up for trouble.
While I shouldn't play along with your derailment, I will say....I agree that kids are sponges and pick up on pretty much everything a parent does....but I don't think the effects of marijuana, on an experienced user, are severe enough for a kid to pick up on. Unless the parent is actually smoking in front of the kid, chances are the kid will never know the difference. Maybe once they're taught symptoms and know to look for glossy/red eyes....but until then...what exactly do you think they're going to pick up on?
A lot of people really overstate the effects of MJ. It's not like these people become instant couch potatoes or lose their ability to parent as soon as they inhale. In fact, I would think that in some circumstances, it would be beneficial to the parent/child interaction....a relaxed parent with a slight buzz would be preferable to a bone-sober parent with blood pressure thru the roof....of course, this isn't the ideal coping method for stressed parents...but if it does the trick and doesn't harm or endanger the child, nor the relationship, then on occasion....whats the big deal?0 -
Ya, I noticed quite a number of statements that I've seen contradicted in research papers....I will take some time later to mention a few...(don't like googling my references on this topic from workprism wrote:
did anyone notice the source of this link? now what would drug rehab centers and the national institute on drug abuse have to gain by promoting scare tactics that convince ppl that pot is addictive and dangerous? hmmmm...might it be hundreds of millions (probably more) in profits?
the conclusions are based on very small studies, which leaves one wondering which more positive/less negative studies were left out. i'm not saying it doesn't bring up a few points...though it mostly seems like a more clinical version of reefer madness :P
like others have already said, pot as with anything used in excess can potentially cause harm...it's all about moderation
)...I take issue with some of the statements about absenteeism, impairment levels (esp in relation to driving and accidents), side effects, and addiction.
One example.....
In reviewing the footnotes, I'm seeing things like: "36 - Mason, A.P., and McBay, A.J. Ethanol, marijuana, and other drug use in 600 drivers killed in single-vehicle crashes in North Carolina, 1978Ð1981. J Forensic Sci 29(4):987-1026, 1984."Studies show that approximately 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC. In many of these cases, alcohol is detected as well.36, 37, 38
.....a 30 year old sample of 600 fatalities...smells like a cherry-picked study with loosely interpreted figures, to me. 6-11% of drivers in fatal crashes test positive for MJ, huh?....soooo for starters.....their figure is +/- 85%? 6 to 11%? That's quite the range......and it's also pretty damn close to the percentage of people who admit to regular use...Take into account that it can take weeks to eliminate THC from the system, and it's obviously not an indication of driving impairment, only that THC is in the system. It also doesn't define whether they were at fault in the accident....It even mentions that alcohol is present in some of those cases. So....I'm not sure how they can make their stats sound like a definitive correlation between driving high and fatalities, when there is clearly a lot of grey in those numbers.0 -
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To answer this question, it's pretty simple:
Q: Which Is WORSE For Your Health: Marijuana Or Alcohol?
A: Think about a stadium full of Oakland Raiders Fans on drunk on Alcohol... versus a stadium full of Oakland Raiders Fans high on pot. I get the part where neither one of them is good for your health, but ask yourself, "Which on is worse?"
There... is your answer.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Drowned Out wrote:Why do you have to turn every conversation about drugs into a conversation about parenting? I realize they are not mutually exclusive topics, but the topic of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with children or parenting.
While I shouldn't play along with your derailment, I will say....I agree that kids are sponges and pick up on pretty much everything a parent does....but I don't think the effects of marijuana, on an experienced user, are severe enough for a kid to pick up on. Unless the parent is actually smoking in front of the kid, chances are the kid will never know the difference. Maybe once they're taught symptoms and know to look for glossy/red eyes....but until then...what exactly do you think they're going to pick up on?
A lot of people really overstate the effects of MJ. It's not like these people become instant couch potatoes or lose their ability to parent as soon as they inhale. In fact, I would think that in some circumstances, it would be beneficial to the parent/child interaction....a relaxed parent with a slight buzz would be preferable to a bone-sober parent with blood pressure thru the roof....of course, this isn't the ideal coping method for stressed parents...but if it does the trick and doesn't harm or endanger the child, nor the relationship, then on occasion....whats the big deal?
Keep the delusion if you like.
The problem is it does both ...
harm the relationship and endangers the child but I have a feeling you won't be able to see that
so no need to discuss.
Another posted mentioned about a little buzz a little mellow I said that was fine except when children are involved, the straight eyes, this how it came up and yes they are anything but exclusive topics.
We will agree to disagree once again.0 -
Pardon my interuption, you dont "learn " to become an alcoholic. you may drink to excess to a point that the body/mind are dependent or in my case I was born an alcoholic. there was/is no learning to become one.Drowned Out wrote:Why do you have to turn every conversation about drugs into a conversation about parenting? I realize they are not mutually exclusive topics, but the topic of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with children or parenting.
While I shouldn't play along with your derailment, I will say....I agree that kids are sponges and pick up on pretty much everything a parent does....but I don't think the effects of marijuana, on an experienced user, are severe enough for a kid to pick up on. Unless the parent is actually smoking in front of the kid, chances are the kid will never know the difference. Maybe once they're taught symptoms and know to look for glossy/red eyes....but until then...what exactly do you think they're going to pick up on?
A lot of people really overstate the effects of MJ. It's not like these people become instant couch potatoes or lose their ability to parent as soon as they inhale. In fact, I would think that in some circumstances, it would be beneficial to the parent/child interaction....a relaxed parent with a slight buzz would be preferable to a bone-sober parent with blood pressure thru the roof....of course, this isn't the ideal coping method for stressed parents...but if it does the trick and doesn't harm or endanger the child, nor the relationship, then on occasion....whats the big deal?_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Haha, one bottle of wine is about 4 servings if I'm pouring, though I'm aware the pours are on the heavy side. Less trips back to the kitchen during dinner that way!covered in bliss wrote:
well.... a 'glass' of wine should technically be 5 ounces or 2/3 of a cup. one bottle of wine = 5 1/2 servings. If you actually sit down and measure it, it's shocking. Most people drink much more.
I'm still going to hold firm in my belief that the person that drinks one serving of wine per night is healthier than the person that smokes the average sized joint per night.
this argument has come up a million times over the years...0 -
You mentioned your parents and home life as a kid..brianlux wrote:
I know someone who was video taped (unbeknownst to him at the time) while quite drunk. Seeing the video later on led him to making some changes in his life. That was a good thing. That would not happen to me. The only problem I would have in being video taped in any state would be that I am self-conscious about being video taped. I never let myself get out of control, even in a different state of mind. I don't have a problem with being in a different state of mind if that's my intention. And no one around me does either. I know my limits and I'm a responsible person. If someone can't be responsible and know their limits, that might be a problem.
I find it interesting that you say you have parties where you learn to have fun and that through your parties at home you learned to be an alcoholic or pot head and have gone on to harder drugs. I didn't know that about you. That seems incongruous to other things you have said in other posts. Easy does it, Pandora.
I mentioned mine saying there was also partying....drinking.
I never said I went on to be any of those things I said a child witnessing and growing
up in a environment like that learns to have fun by by using substances
and could very possibly take that into teenage and adulthood.
This could result in future trouble.
My point of course, teach your kids to have fun without
a substance involved and refrain from including them in the times one gets bombed or blitzed
as you put it.
To the straight eye of a small child, a parent never looks responsible when drunk or high,
they look different, very different. What's wrong with Daddy?
In my opinion when it comes to a parent neither is better or worse,
neither should be used as a part of parenting....
if this was the case future generation might have a fighting chance against addiction.0 -
sooo...."we'll agree to disagree again...but first let me call you delusional". fair enough :roll:pandora wrote:
Keep the delusion if you like.
The problem is it does both ...
harm the relationship and endangers the child but I have a feeling you won't be able to see that
so no need to discuss.
Another posted mentioned about a little buzz a little mellow I said that was fine except when children are involved, the straight eyes, this how it came up and yes they are anything but exclusive topics.
We will agree to disagree once again.
Can you explain the red paragraph above a little more clearly?
I don't understand how you can say 'a little buzz a little mellow' is fine...but then say that 'straight eyes' will pick up on the difference, to their detriment? Is that not contradictory? edit: sorry, read that again...now I see the 'except'....
What's wrong with daddy? From MJ? I don't think so.....
Anyway, good to see you don't have me blocked anymore. I so enjoy our conversations :P
Good point.mickeyrat wrote:Pardon my interuption, you dont "learn " to become an alcoholic. you may drink to excess to a point that the body/mind are dependent or in my case I was born an alcoholic. there was/is no learning to become one.
I'm no expert, but I would say that a parents' examples can affect the way a person learns about intoxicants.....but a bigger factor is genetics....some people are definitely born with more of a predisposition to addiction than others.Post edited by Drowned Out on0 -
So true. It's all about practice, baby!brianlux wrote:I guess it's knowing ones' limits. Some people have a single drink or a small toke and become total idiots or belligerent or whatever and other have a half dozen drinks and smoke a whole fatty and be quite pleasant and remain responsible. Like I said, my parents liked to drink a bit now and then and I think those were actually times they were doing me a favor because it lightened them up a bit. It really is about behaviors. At least that's my experience. I can drink a reasonable amount and generally handle myself admirably, but if I so much as look cross-eyed at a bong I turn into a mouth-breathing maroon. Halfway through sentences I forget what they were about, can't even look at a friend without giggling, etc. You can guess which drug I have more experience with. 0 -
I can tell just from personal experience that alcohol is about a million times worse for my health than pot. Plus, I've never heard of anyone having to go to the hospital or dying because they smoked too much pot. That alone is definitive proof of what is worse for you health.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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This is a great idea, I may have to try this out in the privacy of my hotel room next week.pandora wrote:an experiment... video tape yourself blitzed bombed whatever you called it and see what
the straight eye sees. Now be in the shoes of a tiny child learning...
comebackgirl -- you're in mental health, right? Any suggestions for a psychological activity/test to try on on said video, something that would challenge the brain just enough to help illustrate the deficiencies of an alcohol-impaired cortex?0 -
Some interesting articles on the subject of both hereditary and environmental links tomickeyrat wrote:Pardon my interuption, you dont "learn " to become an alcoholic. you may drink to excess to a point that the body/mind are dependent or in my case I was born an alcoholic. there was/is no learning to become one.
substance abuse
http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/05/06 ... addiction/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... binge.html
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/drinkers ... _Drink.htm
It has been quite a debate really, hereditary or learned, as it runs in families
and some experiments have been done on twins. I think a logical way to look
at it would be both influence a child.
From my personal experience I would say that for me and my sisters.0 -
Honestly, the OP question is a no-brainer.....
I think a more difficult question to answer is:
Which is WORSE for your health: marijuana or potatoes?
http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/potato.asp
Potatoes are more toxic...
Also, in their french fried or chipped form, they can cause severe health problems, particularly when mixed with marijuana.0
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