Pearl Jam to play Oracle OpenWorld

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I'm shocked this thread hasn't got to this point:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


    :D
    :lol::lol::lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • BE9456
    BE9456 Posts: 148
    foriginalsin wrote:
    Still flying from ny to montana, but I definitely would like to hear the bands perspective on this.
    My mortgage is due and why play 10 shows for the same we can make in 1.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    LineOneMightyFine wrote:
    I thought Ed hated computers.
    Yeah, he does. I heard that he won't even use email. He dictates what he wants to email to his assistant, and she does it for him. :lol:

    PS - I am so jealous of his assistant!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • djsmoot
    djsmoot Posts: 126
    Drowned Out wrote:
    djsmoot wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Making broad statements like everyone is a millionaire in the audience is plain asinine.
    I am in complete agreement about the crap about millionaires being in the audience. That's ridiculous. Millionaires actually have better things to do than go to IT conferences. I have no doubt that the people who will be in the crowd are just completely normal people who work in IT.
    Ok, I want to clarify, since Im not sure if you two are talking about me at all here....I never said anything about Oracle as a company. I don't know enough to comment on their business ethics.
    And all I said about the people in attendance is that the majority will likely not be more than casual PJ fans (no disputing this)....and that they either won't be paying, or money will be no object. I'm sure there will be some very well-off people there. Probably more 'millionaires' than your average concertference....it's the Tech industry, afterall...and I'm sure some people are going for business purposes. But I would be willing to wager that most of the courses/workshops/seminars being offered could be found for a lot less money or closer to home....I'm guessing that a lot of the people there will be people who were able to 'greenlight' the trip themselves, or deserving of some kind of perk.
    I always love the whole "I'm business networking" line of bullshit that upper management types love to give. I hear this all the time about those golf course meetings, strip club expense claims, liquid lunches, etc.....yes, there is a business aspect to all of that, but don't try to convince me that the actual POINT to going golfing was business :lol: You'd get your business done a lot more efficiently in an office. Just admit it - you're building personal relationships while pretending to work. And that's ok too...just don't try to bullshit me about it, ya know?


    No, I was not specifically talking about you, more of talking about some general themes from this thread.

    You are correct, not everyone in attendance loves Pearl Jam like the people on this board. I personally do not care if the person I am sitting next to is rich or struggling to make ends meat, I am there to see a concert, not to look at the watches they are wearing.

    This conference is an annual event, and while a course/class may be available in a local market, the pure scale of options for the attendees is not available anywhere else, full stop. I personally build agendas for the customers that I am responsible for, and I can say that they do take it seriously. They attendee break out sessions, demonstrations, network with other users, and seek out partners that can help them with their day-to-day activities, while managing there workload at home. Do they have fun, too, yes. I went to dinner with my customers, spent some time on a Harbor tour, and I went to the concert with them. We had fun and I built a better relationship with them while I was out there than I had in their office environment. Do people do other things, sure, but they do those things anyway. You just need to realize and understand that building relationships is part of many people's jobs, and those that are effective at building relationships are more successful at what they do.
  • foriginalsin
    foriginalsin Posts: 713
    crusso wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I'm shocked this thread hasn't got to this point:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


    :D

    You know, Jeff was wearing a Air Jordan shirt in Amsterdam this summer. Notice the moustache on Michael Jordan? Just saying ... ;)

    The jordan hitler stache was disturbing/hilarious.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Drowned Out wrote:
    djsmoot wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Making broad statements like everyone is a millionaire in the audience is plain asinine.
    I am in complete agreement about the crap about millionaires being in the audience. That's ridiculous. Millionaires actually have better things to do than go to IT conferences. I have no doubt that the people who will be in the crowd are just completely normal people who work in IT.
    Ok, I want to clarify, since Im not sure if you two are talking about me at all here....I never said anything about Oracle as a company. I don't know enough to comment on their business ethics.
    And all I said about the people in attendance is that the majority will likely not be more than casual PJ fans (no disputing this)....and that they either won't be paying, or money will be no object. I'm sure there will be some very well-off people there. Probably more 'millionaires' than your average concertference....it's the Tech industry, afterall...and I'm sure some people are going for business purposes. But I would be willing to wager that most of the courses/workshops/seminars being offered could be found for a lot less money or closer to home....I'm guessing that a lot of the people there will be people who were able to 'greenlight' the trip themselves, or deserving of some kind of perk.
    I always love the whole "I'm business networking" line of bullshit that upper management types love to give. I hear this all the time about those golf course meetings, strip club expense claims, liquid lunches, etc.....yes, there is a business aspect to all of that, but don't try to convince me that the actual POINT to going golfing was business :lol: You'd get your business done a lot more efficiently in an office. Just admit it - you're building personal relationships while pretending to work. And that's ok too...just don't try to bullshit me about it, ya know?
    I wasn't talking about you - just generally. But honestly, I don't know exactly who would be going to this conference in particular. All I know is that my boss regularly sends IT support staff to conferences like this, and I work for a public university, so it's not like money is no object - we're on a budget. And those from my office who go to those conferences are apparently surrounded by people just like them. Sure, maybe there will be top level corporate folks there too... probably. They need to keep updated in the IT world too, presumably. Top level corporate "business networking" like expensive drunken dinners and golf and shit though? Yeah, I'm with you. Give me a fucking break! I mean, speaking of circle jerks! :D Do those fuckers even go to concerts? I mean, they'd have to mix with the plebs then. ;)

    Not that that is the point of this thread, lol. Pearl Jam... don't play any more corporate gigs please. Can't you see what it's doing to us?!?! :shock: :shock: :shock:

    :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    halv wrote:
    There is just no denying that playing a conference is ultra-lame. I work in tourism and attend a lot of conferences. Any time a band plays any of these it is just so cheesy. It always drops my opinion of the band. Leave those shows to the Black Eyed Peas and Justin Beiber, even Elton John. But Pearl Jam....my heart breaks.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I'm shocked this thread hasn't got to this point:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


    :D

    The Godwin's Law of Pearl Jam threads involves quoting Green Disease.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    -Emma- wrote:
    Because of the Oracle performance, somebody on tumblr made a PJ logo similar to the PJ20 logo, but they put PJ$$. Bit harsh!

    thats not harsh, thats f'n rock & roll and i love it!!!! :lol:
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    pjl44 wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I'm shocked this thread hasn't got to this point:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


    :D

    The Godwin's Law of Pearl Jam threads involves quoting Green Disease.

    Or George Dubya
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Drowned Out wrote:
    My 2c:
    If we’re going to look at PJ as a business (and not as the group of artists they forever wanted us to view them as), we can analyze their actions using capitalist terms: risk/reward.
    Out of all of the things people have called PJ a sellout for: YL on Friends, the Target stuff, Ed marrying models, playing CEO bday parties, attending black-tie circle jerks, making videos, ticket prices, meet n greets, etc….this is the first time I just can’t justify the optics to myself….I don’t like the end result of examining the risk/reward of the Oracle gig.

    Nearly every sellout accusation against PJ can be justified as the band looking to stay relevant via increased marketing (Target), personal favours (bday party, possibly YL), changing music biz (ticket prices), or none-of-our-damn-business (who Ed married). At least with the Target gig, with the risk being fan backlash, there was a reward in the business relationship that allowed them wide, hassle-free distribution….which benefits fans and exposes the band to potential new fans. And they HAVE to KNOW there is going to be a backlash, after their decades of preaching against the man…….With this gig…the risk is the same (fan backlash)…but the only reward I see is a big payday. Maybe there is a personal favour angle or something....but even so, at face value, I can't see a reward that justifies the risk. There is no benefit to anyone but Oracle, a few employees who are fans, and PJ’s wallet. So reading between the lines, it’s a selfish act that they KNOW will tarnish their image and piss off a lot of their long-time fans…and they don’t give a shit. Fuck ‘em, right? They’ll get over it, right? I dunno….

    I’ve never looked at Chris Cornell the same since he cancelled a show to play for some jeans company execs. I still listen to him and support him….but I lost a TON of respect for him from an integrity standpoint. At least PJ didn’t cancel on their fans to do this show instead. That would be damn near unforgiveable. Wait, when was that second night in Missoula supposed to happen? I’m pretty disappointed by this. No fuckin Messiah indeed.k, that was more like $2
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    my2hands wrote:
    -Emma- wrote:
    Because of the Oracle performance, somebody on tumblr made a PJ logo similar to the PJ20 logo, but they put PJ$$. Bit harsh!

    thats not harsh, thats f'n rock & roll and i love it!!!! :lol:
    I agree! It IS still a rock band! They should be able to handle it! ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    JimmyV wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

    do you know what inflation means? $20 for a show 15 YEARS AGO is the same as $80 for a show now. I have paid way more for bands that are inferior to Pearl Jam over the years. And none of those bands play for nearly 3 hours and play 30 songs.

    NONE.
    I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

    Um...$20 in 1994 (when I first saw them) is equal to just under $31 in today's dollars.

    http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/

    ding ding ding!!! isnt it funny how actual facts get overlooked so easily nowadays? :lol:
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    my2hands wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

    Um...$20 in 1994 (when I first saw them) is equal to just under $31 in today's dollars.

    http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/

    ding ding ding!!! isnt it funny how actual facts get overlooked so easily nowadays? :lol:
    Catch up my2 hands! We addressed that! ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • elwayvedder
    elwayvedder South Jersey Posts: 9,175
    can all the Techie people at the show huddle up and at least help fix this Beta forum while they are all there standing around watching our band?
    www.operationyellowribbon.org
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    elwayvedder wrote:
    can all the Techie people at the show huddle up and at least help fix this Beta forum while they are all there standing around watching our band?
    Maybe THAT'S why they booked it!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    -Emma- wrote:
    Because of the Oracle performance, somebody on tumblr made a PJ logo similar to the PJ20 logo, but they put PJ$$. Bit harsh!

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Drowned Out wrote:
    You haven't the slightest idea what fantasy world I live in. I'm getting the feeling that yours involves a perch, a lot of chirping, a lot of shitting on people.....and concentrating really hard in seminars.

    absolute classic... i'm getting a headache hearing the same person scream "you are clueless" every 4 posts :roll: :lol:
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Yo, band members and band management... and some of you "grab the money and run" fans of the band...

    i will cut right through the thick of it... no matter how big of a payday it is... even if they were the best corporation EVER and rainbows shot out of Larry Ellisons ass that cured cancer...

    playing a business conference is fucking LAME... and you know it...

    wtf happened to your balls?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    and if any of you need proof of this statement above... why do you think there will be no official mention of this "show", or any listing of it under a tour or setlist index?

    because they know it's weak

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