Disney sued over headscarf.....

Godfather.
Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited August 2012 in A Moving Train
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-d ... hpt=ju_bn6

I have a dress code where I work and I'm sure most people do so what's her problem ? if she want's a job she can leave the headsceaf in the car or at home...especially at a place like Disneyland where it's a charector based amusment park.

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  • sparky_fry
    sparky_fry Posts: 760
    Whats next, strippers suing cause they can't wear clothes to work? Its part of her costume
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    sparky_fry wrote:
    Whats next, strippers suing cause they can't wear clothes to work? Its part of her costume

    :shifty: ...ouffff I sure hope not. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Love quotes like these that finish the article.

    "The Constitution tells me I can be Muslim, and I can wear the head scarf. Who is Disney to tell me I cannot?"


    Disney's the one writing the check honey. You don't like it you are free to seek employment somewhere else. :lol:
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    DS1119 wrote:
    Love quotes like these that finish the article.

    "The Constitution tells me I can be Muslim, and I can wear the head scarf. Who is Disney to tell me I cannot?"


    Disney's the one writing the check honey. You don't like it you are free to seek employment somewhere else. :lol:

    it's outta the park..it's a home run folks !!! what I mean is that I agree.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    DS1119 wrote:
    Love quotes like these that finish the article.

    "The Constitution tells me I can be Muslim, and I can wear the head scarf. Who is Disney to tell me I cannot?"


    Disney's the one writing the check honey. You don't like it you are free to seek employment somewhere else. :lol:

    or as they say in the corprate world "seeking opertunitys that better suit their skills education and expectations"

    Godfather.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Some of this shit in this country is mind boggling. It truly is to me. :fp:
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    DS1119 wrote:
    Some of this shit in this country is mind boggling. It truly is to me. :fp:

    And to me. I love how people have no problem beating there chests and screaming about freedoms of the constitution. All gung-ho war pigs, but the first minute an American citizen (who happens to look different then you) decides to use it, you guys come shitting down on them. It's like that quote some singer once said. "everyone in America has the right to freedom of speech, until they decide to use it." Or in this case, freedom of religion/religious expression. Not all Muslims are bad, Jesus, what's the point of laughing at or poking fun of this story? Maybe some of the people in America need to step outside there own eyes and see the world through the eyes of someone else. We should stop this holier than thou persona. All empires fall, look back at Rome & Egypt. What's wrong with peace love and understanding.....I'm not bashing anyone directly cause most people on the forum are genuinely awesome folks. The shit you people do for strangers in here is incredible, mind boggling at times. Makes me proud to be a member.....now let's turn and do for people outside the forum.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    badbrains wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Some of this shit in this country is mind boggling. It truly is to me. :fp:

    And to me. I love how people have no problem beating there chests and screaming about freedoms of the constitution. All gung-ho war pigs, but the first minute an American citizen (who happens to look different then you) decides to use it, you guys come shitting down on them. It's like that quote some singer once said. "everyone in America has the right to freedom of speech, until they decide to use it." Or in this case, freedom of religion/religious expression. Not all Muslims are bad, Jesus, what's the point of laughing at or poking fun of this story? Maybe some of the people in America need to step outside there own eyes and see the world through the eyes of someone else. We should stop this holier than thou persona. All empires fall, look back at Rome & Egypt. What's wrong with peace love and understanding.....I'm not bashing anyone directly cause most people on the forum are genuinely awesome folks. The shit you people do for strangers in here is incredible, mind boggling at times. Makes me proud to be a member.....now let's turn and do for people outside the forum.

    You know, sometimes a job requirement would not allow for this though, and I see no problem with it.

    Question - is it possible to safely wear a hardhat while wearing a turban?

    It is a choice to wear what you wear.
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  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    isn't this discriminating against her? what's next disney will ban people wearing anything linked with a religion.. it's madness. she has got a case and would probably win.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    Zoso wrote:
    isn't this discriminating against her? what's next disney will ban people wearing anything linked with a religion.. it's madness.

    No it's not. If it is clearly a requirement of the job and serves a purpose. It is her choice. They have strict dress codes (including how you can have your hair done) in order to agree to work there. They aren't the only ones. And it makes sense.

    Are you one of the people that are going to sue Hooters so that dudes can be waiters there?
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  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    badbrains wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Some of this shit in this country is mind boggling. It truly is to me. :fp:

    And to me. I love how people have no problem beating there chests and screaming about freedoms of the constitution. All gung-ho war pigs, but the first minute an American citizen (who happens to look different then you) decides to use it, you guys come shitting down on them. It's like that quote some singer once said. "everyone in America has the right to freedom of speech, until they decide to use it." Or in this case, freedom of religion/religious expression. Not all Muslims are bad, Jesus, what's the point of laughing at or poking fun of this story? Maybe some of the people in America need to step outside there own eyes and see the world through the eyes of someone else. We should stop this holier than thou persona. All empires fall, look back at Rome & Egypt. What's wrong with peace love and understanding.....I'm not bashing anyone directly cause most people on the forum are genuinely awesome folks. The shit you people do for strangers in here is incredible, mind boggling at times. Makes me proud to be a member.....now let's turn and do for people outside the forum.

    You know, sometimes a job requirement would not allow for this though, and I see no problem with it.

    Question - is it possible to safely wear a hardhat while wearing a turban?

    It is a choice to wear what you wear.

    I'm assuming you're not muslim.. you would be outraged if your employer told you couldn't go to church on sunday's as you have to work.. or restricted your religion somehow? so why not put yourself in her shoes.. she is being discriminated against based on her religion pure and simple..
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    Zoso wrote:
    isn't this discriminating against her? what's next disney will ban people wearing anything linked with a religion.. it's madness.

    No it's not. If it is clearly a requirement of the job and serves a purpose. It is her choice. They have strict dress codes (including how you can have your hair done) in order to agree to work there. They aren't the only ones. And it makes sense.

    Are you one of the people that are going to sue Hooters so that dudes can be waiters there?

    I wouldn't sue anyone for almost anything so no.. but hooters is kinda discriminating there also :D
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    They are creating an environment, and it includes all the "cast members" (employees). Tough to create an environment if you can't control the "costuming".

    Let me ask you this...what if someone got turned down to play spiderman in the movies because they choose to wear a turban and do not want to take it off?
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Disney has a bunch of bizarre rules for employees, for instance you cant have a mustache, even though Walt did :crazy:
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,436
    Disney has a bunch of bizarre rules for employees, for instance you cant have a mustache, even though Walt did :crazy:
    Disney has a lot of rules and a lot of lawyers. I'm sure she signed a long service agreement before she was hired. I've seen contracts for Disney construction jobs and they are scary and greatly favor Disney. I've never seen anything like them.

    In essence, she is wasting her time.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Pretty much every employer has rules of employment. I find it hard to believe she didn't know that head wear was a violation of employment. If you don't like the rules set out...move on and find another job or accept the rules and continue employment.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Zoso wrote:
    I'm assuming you're not muslim.. you would be outraged if your employer told you couldn't go to church on sunday's as you have to work.. or restricted your religion somehow? so why not put yourself in her shoes.. she is being discriminated against based on her religion pure and simple..

    The hijab is not a religious dictate, so it would be difficult say she is being discriminated against based on religion. On the other hand, Sikhs MUST wear a Dastar (turban) - it's mandated by their religion. Asking an observant Sikh to remove his turban would be discrimination.

    Whilst I do believe this lady has the perfect right to 'preserve her modesty', she did go into a job knowing about the very strict dress code (as some said, down to facial hair, hairstyles, etc.) that Disney have. She seemed to be OK with it for 2 1/2 years as well. Disney offered an alternative head covering (keeping the modesty bit) which seems to cover the same areas as the hijab and complies with their dress code. She may not like it, but it doesn't look anymore stupid than most of what the employees there wear (guess their terms 'cast members', 'on-stage', 'costume' says it all!). I really don't believe that Disney are stopping her 'being a Muslim'.

    Should she not be working for a firm/company with strict dress (dressing up?) code, I would agree that she should be able to wear a hijab as long as it met health and safety regulations.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    Zoso wrote:

    I'm assuming you're not muslim.. you would be outraged if your employer told you couldn't go to church on sunday's as you have to work.. or restricted your religion somehow? so why not put yourself in her shoes.. she is being discriminated against based on her religion pure and simple..


    Plenty of people get "forced" to work on Sunday despite their religion.

    No, she is being asked to meet the same standards that everyone else is. They believe it to be important to their product. As long as they haven;t shown a history of accommodating others but not her, they will be fine.

    It's fine for people to choose to wear what they want to wear, but it shouldn;t be forced onto their employer if it clearly violates the dress code and there is any reason for the dress code that make sense. Safety makes sense as does protecting the brand.

    Again, She wouldn;t be selected as a hair model....what if she wanted to play Margaret Thatcher in a movie? It's the same thing. She can choose what she wears and if it doesn't meet the standards, they can choose to elimnate her employment in that job. She was offered other jobs (which is reasonable accommodation - I'm sure a court would agree), heck she was offered an alternative head covering that she was offended by. CHOICE, she made hers. Now it's time to go find another job.
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  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    Zoso wrote:

    I'm assuming you're not muslim.. you would be outraged if your employer told you couldn't go to church on sunday's as you have to work.. or restricted your religion somehow? so why not put yourself in her shoes.. she is being discriminated against based on her religion pure and simple..


    Plenty of people get "forced" to work on Sunday despite their religion.

    No, she is being asked to meet the same standards that everyone else is. They believe it to be important to their product. As long as they haven;t shown a history of accommodating others but not her, they will be fine.

    It's fine for people to choose to wear what they want to wear, but it shouldn;t be forced onto their employer if it clearly violates the dress code and there is any reason for the dress code that make sense. Safety makes sense as does protecting the brand.

    Again, She wouldn;t be selected as a hair model....what if she wanted to play Margaret Thatcher in a movie? It's the same thing. She can choose what she wears and if it doesn't meet the standards, they can choose to elimnate her employment in that job. She was offered other jobs (which is reasonable accommodation - I'm sure a court would agree), heck she was offered an alternative head covering that she was offended by. CHOICE, she made hers. Now it's time to go find another job.

    you have some pretty good points there I won't argue it any further but I think unless they prove her job is unsafe wearing this she will win..
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    Zoso wrote:

    you have some pretty good points there I won't argue it any further but I think unless they prove her job is unsafe wearing this she will win..


    Yeah, I disagree. I think their willingness to accommodate a different "costume" (the hat) for her, the willingness to accommodate her in a different role "behind stage", and the long history of Disney enforcing these policies with everyone in order to protect their product and their brand....all that and I think it's a slam dunk for Disney.
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