I think I just stumbled upon a great T-shirt idea.
Godfather.
Yeah, man, xenophobia rules! Holla!
Holla ! I know someone that also uses that on a BMX web site, I got a good laugh out of that thanks !
Godfather.
It is funny, isn't it? Conducted a high-larious cross burning on my neighbor's front lawn the other day. You should have seen him and the family run out of their house all excited, waving their arms and shouting. Looked like they were having a blast.
It is funny, isn't it? Conducted a high-larious cross burning on my neighbor's front lawn the other day. You should have seen him and the family run out of their house all excited, waving their arms and shouting. Looked like they were having a blast.
So are you equating Disney's policies with cross burning? Maybe I missed something.
It is funny, isn't it? Conducted a high-larious cross burning on my neighbor's front lawn the other day. You should have seen him and the family run out of their house all excited, waving their arms and shouting. Looked like they were having a blast.
So are you equating Disney's policies with cross burning? Maybe I missed something.
Walt Disney had the evil gene, everyone knows that. Maybe you did miss something.
I think I just stumbled upon a great T-shirt idea.
Godfather.
I didn't know you were a Yankee fan...
Does that really say "your" in America? I think you mean Godfather actually wrote that with his amazing handle on English. I guess learning the language doesn't apply if "your" born here...
For anyone who thinks this lady is right, then go to a Muslim country and tell them it's your right to to wear a ball cap with a cross on it, or your religion dictates you drink 40 of jack' daily...let me know how you make out. Nobody is denying her religious freedoms...Disney has a dress code policy, she must follow it. Does Disney not have any constitutional protection to set a dress code...seriuosly. Why the fuck do people have to use religion to get their own way, and the only people making money here are the lawyers. I wonder if it was automatic that the person who brought on lawsuits and loses has to reimburse the other side, if heir would be less lawsuits?
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Does that really say "your" in America? I think you mean Godfather actually wrote that with his amazing handle on English. I guess learning the language doesn't apply if "your" born here...
It does say that...
as for the rest of your comment...no need to push things, I'm playing with GF...we don't always agree, but that doesn't make him a bad person...
For anyone who thinks this lady is right, then go to a Muslim country and tell them it's your right to to wear a ball cap with a cross on it, or your religion dictates you drink 40 of jack' daily...let me know how you make out. Nobody is denying her religious freedoms...Disney has a dress code policy, she must follow it. Does Disney not have any constitutional protection to set a dress code...seriuosly. Why the fuck do people have to use religion to get their own way, and the only people making money here are the lawyers. I wonder if it was automatic that the person who brought on lawsuits and loses has to reimburse the other side, if heir would be less lawsuits?
40 of Jack...do they sell those up north...? and unless you're Father Mulcahey, who has a baseball cap with a cross on it...
and we're talking about the United States...not some other "Muslim" country...
Does that really say "your" in America? I think you mean Godfather actually wrote that with his amazing handle on English. I guess learning the language doesn't apply if "your" born here...
It does say that...
as for the rest of you comment...no need to push things, I'm playing with GF...we don't always agree, but that doesn't make him a bad person...
....and the only people making money here are the lawyers. I wonder if it was automatic that the person who brought on lawsuits and loses has to reimburse the other side, if heir would be less lawsuits?
For anyone who thinks this lady is right, then go to a Muslim country and tell them it's your right to to wear a ball cap with a cross on it, or your religion dictates you drink 40 of jack' daily...let me know how you make out. Nobody is denying her religious freedoms...Disney has a dress code policy, she must follow it. Does Disney not have any constitutional protection to set a dress code...seriuosly. Why the fuck do people have to use religion to get their own way, and the only people making money here are the lawyers. I wonder if it was automatic that the person who brought on lawsuits and loses has to reimburse the other side, if heir would be less lawsuits?
40 of Jack...do they sell those up north...? and unless you're Father Mulcahey, who has a baseball cap with a cross on it...
and we're talking about the United States...not some other "Muslim" country...
Yeah we do sell Jack.
Personally I think it's a joke that every time some one doesn't like it its my religious right.
In her case she immigrated to the states...right? Why does Disney have to absorb a lawsuit? That could cost many $$$ ?
I have no problems with immigration or immigrants...until they start bringing their religion into the workplace! And that goes for all religions...as far I'm concerned practice at home, at your church or mosque, or temple or wherever you practice your religion. There are examples of workplaces, universities and other places that have set up prayer rooms for Muslims because I guess they must prayer 6 times a day (of course it's only the men that pray)...she is full of BS and I hope Disney fights her tooth and nail on this.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think I just stumbled upon a great T-shirt idea.
Godfather.
I didn't know you were a Yankee fan...
Does that really say "your" in America? I think you mean Godfather actually wrote that with his amazing handle on English. I guess learning the language doesn't apply if "your" born here...
cheap shot.....but "you're" right...my spelling and grammer suck,so back to my t-shirt line,how many would ya'll like ? and what size..I have s,m,l,xl and ohhhmy goodness and proper spelling is not a garentee
I also will produce them in any language ya'll need, here is a example for our spanish speaking friends
" aprenda que las reglas aprenden que el idioma o regresan a casa"
or our German friends,,
Lernen Sie die Regeln, die Sprache zu lernen, oder nach Hause zu gehen
all shirts will cost (usd)$25.00
this for profit business and all proceedes will go directly into my pocket.
For anyone who thinks this lady is right, then go to a Muslim country and tell them it's your right to to wear a ball cap with a cross on it, or your religion dictates you drink 40 of jack' daily...let me know how you make out. Nobody is denying her religious freedoms...Disney has a dress code policy, she must follow it. Does Disney not have any constitutional protection to set a dress code...seriuosly. Why the fuck do people have to use religion to get their own way, and the only people making money here are the lawyers. I wonder if it was automatic that the person who brought on lawsuits and loses has to reimburse the other side, if heir would be less lawsuits?
40 of Jack...do they sell those up north...? and unless you're Father Mulcahey, who has a baseball cap with a cross on it...
and we're talking about the United States...not some other "Muslim" country...
Yeah we do sell Jack.
Personally I think it's a joke that every time some one doesn't like it its my religious right.
In her case she immigrated to the states...right? Why does Disney have to absorb a lawsuit? That could cost many $$$ ?
I have no problems with immigration or immigrants...until they start bringing their religion into the workplace! And that goes for all religions...as far I'm concerned practice at home, at your church or mosque, or temple or wherever you practice your religion. There are examples of workplaces, universities and other places that have set up prayer rooms for Muslims because I guess they must prayer 6 times a day (of course it's only the men that pray)...she is full of BS and I hope Disney fights her tooth and nail on this.
Muslims pray five times a day. Both women and men pray. And in Muslim countries, you are free to wear a cross and yes, even drink no matter what your faith. And in the US there are very a many Muslim born Americans. I don’t understand the premise of “You can’t do it in a Muslim country” in a debate, So does that mean that “You can’t do it in Canada or the US” would be better?
Also, many Jews, Sikhs, have headwear that is a part of their faith and their religion is with them no matter where they go, in the workplace or otherwise.
40 of Jack...do they sell those up north...? and unless you're Father Mulcahey, who has a baseball cap with a cross on it...
and we're talking about the United States...not some other "Muslim" country...
Yeah we do sell Jack.
Personally I think it's a joke that every time some one doesn't like it its my religious right.
In her case she immigrated to the states...right? Why does Disney have to absorb a lawsuit? That could cost many $$$ ?
I have no problems with immigration or immigrants...until they start bringing their religion into the workplace! And that goes for all religions...as far I'm concerned practice at home, at your church or mosque, or temple or wherever you practice your religion. There are examples of workplaces, universities and other places that have set up prayer rooms for Muslims because I guess they must prayer 6 times a day (of course it's only the men that pray)...she is full of BS and I hope Disney fights her tooth and nail on this.
Muslims pray five times a day. Both women and men pray. And in Muslim countries, you are free to wear a cross and yes, even drink no matter what your faith. And in the US there are very a many Muslim born Americans. I don’t understand the premise of “You can’t do it in a Muslim country” in a debate, So does that mean that “You can’t do it in Canada or the US” would be better?
Also, many Jews, Sikhs, have headwear that is a part of their faith and their religion is with them no matter where they go, in the workplace or otherwise.
5-6 times a day, either way their kissing ass . I stated I don't care what your religion is, don't bring it to work. Some employers have dress codes...she doesn't like she is free to seek work elsewhere.
My point is you can't just expect a country/employer to change just because your religion dictates it you have to where head wear.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
For anyone who thinks this lady is right, then go to a Muslim country and tell them it's your right to to wear a ball cap with a cross on it, or your religion dictates you drink 40 of jack' daily...let me know how you make out. Nobody is denying her religious freedoms...Disney has a dress code policy, she must follow it. Does Disney not have any constitutional protection to set a dress code...seriuosly. Why the fuck do people have to use religion to get their own way, and the only people making money here are the lawyers. I wonder if it was automatic that the person who brought on lawsuits and loses has to reimburse the other side, if heir would be less lawsuits?
I believe the looser pays court cost aside from their own attorney fee's.
I believe the looser pays court cost aside from their own attorney fee's.
Godfather.
...
True story.
My pal, Jill, was approached by a guy from Disney Productions who was starting a show for the Disney Channel and wanted her to write a little opening theme song. She did and the guy liked it.
Later... he told her the show deal fell through and they weren't going to use the song, so, he wasn't going to pay her the 10 grand or so he had promised.
Much later... being a little club singer/songwriter, she was couch surfing at her friend's apartment in New York and she heard her song coming from the T.V. Turns out, the show was 'Lizzie McGuire' and the theme song was used... except some of the lyrics were changed, but it was her song.
She called the guy who basically said, "So? Sue me." She contacted her lawyer who told her that Disney is notorious for doing this... 'stealing' songs, movie screenplays, etc... from lesser known or little known singers and writers and that sueing them would be long and expensive because of the massive resources they can bring to bear on the little guy.
Jill being Jill, she took it on the chin and took it as a lesson learned. She did get a theme song gig for Nickelodeon's 'Unfabulous', which ran until Emma Roberts landed movie roles.
...
The moral. Sometimes, the Big Guy really is the Bad Guy and the little guy doesn't stand a chance. If given the loser pays... the Big Guy will be even worse than he is capable of being. Is that a good thing? Well, yeah... if you are the Big Guy.
Careful what you wish for... you might get it.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Are people understanding this entire controversy the wrong way? The way I understood the woman's problem with Disney was that it was discrimination. That is, she has some reason to believe that the reason Disney was not allowing her to work with her hijab on was due to some inherent prejudice toward Islam. In other words, she has reason to believe that they would have accommodated her, had she not been Muslim and of another faith that they are more welcoming to. That she simply demands Disney to accommodate her without any basis is, I believe, not the main argument here, though it appears that that is what many of you are sitting here arguing against, without taking into consideration the various possibilities.
It's amazing how we all purport to believe in the American judicial system, in having all the information before reaching a verdict, and so on, and yet with one measly news article we can take such a harsh stance against not only the principle supposedly being fought for, but against the person him/herself!
I also am not aware of any cases raised by hijabi women in Shari`ah courts that lost due to it not being a religious requirement. Perhaps you can shed some light for us.
Since this thread is about a non-muslim country I was under the impression we were talking about the legal system of such country (eg US or even similar countries such as UK, France, etc.) Sharia courts will usually deal with civil cases only - within the community. They would not have any impact on lawsuits such as this one or the ones I have referred to.
So you're telling me you were talking about secular courts when you said that courts have denied women cases because they ruled that the hijab was not a religious obligation? Tell me, which of these secular courts would make a religious ruling like that? An American judge ruling that the hijab is not obligatory in Islam--now, I've heard it all. :roll:
Are people understanding this entire controversy the wrong way? The way I understood the woman's problem with Disney was that it was discrimination. That is, she has some reason to believe that the reason Disney was not allowing her to work with her hijab on was due to some inherent prejudice toward Islam. In other words, she has reason to believe that they would have accommodated her, had she not been Muslim and of another faith that they are more welcoming to. That she simply demands Disney to accommodate her without any basis is, I believe, not the main argument here, though it appears that that is what many of you are sitting here arguing against, without taking into consideration the various possibilities.
It's amazing how we all purport to believe in the American judicial system, in having all the information before reaching a verdict, and so on, and yet with one measly news article we can take such a harsh stance against not only the principle supposedly being fought for, but against the person him/herself!
Article doesn't really say anything about that. Unless Disney is allowing sikhs to wear turbans (I know that's not what they're called, but i can't remember the proper name now) and jews to wear yamulkes, etc, etc, while preventing her from wearing her hijab, how can she possibly claim discrimination?
I also am not aware of any cases raised by hijabi women in Shari`ah courts that lost due to it not being a religious requirement. Perhaps you can shed some light for us.
Since this thread is about a non-muslim country I was under the impression we were talking about the legal system of such country (eg US or even similar countries such as UK, France, etc.) Sharia courts will usually deal with civil cases only - within the community. They would not have any impact on lawsuits such as this one or the ones I have referred to.
So you're telling me you were talking about secular courts when you said that courts have denied women cases because they ruled that the hijab was not a religious obligation? Tell me, which of these secular courts would make a religious ruling like that? An American judge ruling that the hijab is not obligatory in Islam--now, I've heard it all. :roll:
I think you misunderstood my posts. Just as in the 'cross' example, I am talking about some women, as the person subject of this thread, taking on companies on the grounds of religious discrimination where the courts of law of the relevant countries ruled against them and in favour of the employer as they did not judge this to be discrimination on the grounds of religion. Understand that as you wish.
Big fuckin deal !! who cares what hijab is...she should find her self a job that lets her where her ..hijab
and I don't want to hear about "it's religious thing" over half the people on this forum have stated that they don't believe a cross should be displayed on public property but wearing a ..jihab is o.k :? I'm calling bullshit !
with all the non believers on here that blame everything on religion all the sudden this jihab crap is o.k ? :problem:
Godfather.
Hmm...
A few thoughts:
1. You begin your post by basically declaring that you have no interest in learning where the grievance of someone else might stem from, and would rather speak from a position of ignorance as regards the topic of hijab.
2. You take a stance against her, but then make it incredibly apparent (so much so, I almost thought you were joking) that your opinion is completely reactionary, and stems from people's disagreement with public property displaying of the cross.
3. By not defending the analogy, it appears that you're speaking from a position of emotion rather than reason, which hurts your overall point.
4. It's "hijab" not "jihab." You spelled it correctly earlier in your post, but as it appears you are speaking from a position of rage, you seemed to have forgotten its correct spelling only a sentence or two below it. Misspelling something once can be a typo, twice is a clear disregard for accuracy, and considering that it is a five-letter word and the subject of what the dispute is about, I would hope you'd strive to at least try to gain some insight into the topic.
Since this thread is about a non-muslim country I was under the impression we were talking about the legal system of such country (eg US or even similar countries such as UK, France, etc.) Sharia courts will usually deal with civil cases only - within the community. They would not have any impact on lawsuits such as this one or the ones I have referred to.
So you're telling me you were talking about secular courts when you said that courts have denied women cases because they ruled that the hijab was not a religious obligation? Tell me, which of these secular courts would make a religious ruling like that? An American judge ruling that the hijab is not obligatory in Islam--now, I've heard it all. :roll:
I think you misunderstood my posts. Just as in the 'cross' example, I am talking about some women, as the person subject of this thread, taking on companies on the grounds of religious discrimination where the courts of law of the relevant countries ruled against them and in favour of the employer as they did not judge this to be discrimination on the grounds of religion. Understand that as you wish.
Actually, that is what I understood from your post. I find it quite bizarre that the courts of law in these secular countries would make a religious ruling that the hijab is not obligatory in Islam. You've responded twice to me already without providing any links to examples of these cases. Would you care to do so?
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It is funny, isn't it? Conducted a high-larious cross burning on my neighbor's front lawn the other day. You should have seen him and the family run out of their house all excited, waving their arms and shouting. Looked like they were having a blast.
I didn't know you were a Yankee fan...
So are you equating Disney's policies with cross burning? Maybe I missed something.
Walt Disney had the evil gene, everyone knows that. Maybe you did miss something.
Does that really say "your" in America? I think you mean Godfather actually wrote that with his amazing handle on English. I guess learning the language doesn't apply if "your" born here...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It does say that...
as for the rest of your comment...no need to push things, I'm playing with GF...we don't always agree, but that doesn't make him a bad person...
and we're talking about the United States...not some other "Muslim" country...
You are right, "bad" isn't the word I'd pick...
Yeah we do sell Jack.
Personally I think it's a joke that every time some one doesn't like it its my religious right.
In her case she immigrated to the states...right? Why does Disney have to absorb a lawsuit? That could cost many $$$ ?
I have no problems with immigration or immigrants...until they start bringing their religion into the workplace! And that goes for all religions...as far I'm concerned practice at home, at your church or mosque, or temple or wherever you practice your religion. There are examples of workplaces, universities and other places that have set up prayer rooms for Muslims because I guess they must prayer 6 times a day (of course it's only the men that pray)...she is full of BS and I hope Disney fights her tooth and nail on this.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
cheap shot.....but "you're" right...my spelling and grammer suck,so back to my t-shirt line,how many would ya'll like ? and what size..I have s,m,l,xl and ohhhmy goodness
I also will produce them in any language ya'll need, here is a example for our spanish speaking friends
" aprenda que las reglas aprenden que el idioma o regresan a casa"
or our German friends,,
Lernen Sie die Regeln, die Sprache zu lernen, oder nach Hause zu gehen
all shirts will cost (usd)$25.00
this for profit business and all proceedes will go directly into my pocket.
Godfather.
Muslims pray five times a day. Both women and men pray. And in Muslim countries, you are free to wear a cross and yes, even drink no matter what your faith. And in the US there are very a many Muslim born Americans. I don’t understand the premise of “You can’t do it in a Muslim country” in a debate, So does that mean that “You can’t do it in Canada or the US” would be better?
Also, many Jews, Sikhs, have headwear that is a part of their faith and their religion is with them no matter where they go, in the workplace or otherwise.
5-6 times a day, either way their kissing ass
My point is you can't just expect a country/employer to change just because your religion dictates it you have to where head wear.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I believe the looser pays court cost aside from their own attorney fee's.
Godfather.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
True story.
My pal, Jill, was approached by a guy from Disney Productions who was starting a show for the Disney Channel and wanted her to write a little opening theme song. She did and the guy liked it.
Later... he told her the show deal fell through and they weren't going to use the song, so, he wasn't going to pay her the 10 grand or so he had promised.
Much later... being a little club singer/songwriter, she was couch surfing at her friend's apartment in New York and she heard her song coming from the T.V. Turns out, the show was 'Lizzie McGuire' and the theme song was used... except some of the lyrics were changed, but it was her song.
She called the guy who basically said, "So? Sue me." She contacted her lawyer who told her that Disney is notorious for doing this... 'stealing' songs, movie screenplays, etc... from lesser known or little known singers and writers and that sueing them would be long and expensive because of the massive resources they can bring to bear on the little guy.
Jill being Jill, she took it on the chin and took it as a lesson learned. She did get a theme song gig for Nickelodeon's 'Unfabulous', which ran until Emma Roberts landed movie roles.
...
The moral. Sometimes, the Big Guy really is the Bad Guy and the little guy doesn't stand a chance. If given the loser pays... the Big Guy will be even worse than he is capable of being. Is that a good thing? Well, yeah... if you are the Big Guy.
Careful what you wish for... you might get it.
Hail, Hail!!!
It's amazing how we all purport to believe in the American judicial system, in having all the information before reaching a verdict, and so on, and yet with one measly news article we can take such a harsh stance against not only the principle supposedly being fought for, but against the person him/herself!
I think you misunderstood my posts. Just as in the 'cross' example, I am talking about some women, as the person subject of this thread, taking on companies on the grounds of religious discrimination where the courts of law of the relevant countries ruled against them and in favour of the employer as they did not judge this to be discrimination on the grounds of religion. Understand that as you wish.
Classic
You'll sell a ton of e'm the Tea Baggers will eat them up and the mamasan guy here will def but a dozen
Godfather