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  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    RW81233 wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    Should have enhanced this the first time.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman

    Wonder if MSNBC will talk about this.

    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/lo ... s-injuries
    "Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller is now the Internet’s leader in the ongoing campaign to make Trayvon seem threatening. Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher had a good (or depressing) close reading of the Caller’s coverage, which ran the gamut from Martin-smearing to credulity-straining Zimmerman defenses (in one video freeze frame he looks like he might have a big scar, of the sort caused by scary black kids)". (From the article above)

    I'm sorry, but comments in articles such as "In one video freeze fram he looks like he might have a big scar, of the sort caused by scary black kids" are the exact type of race-baiting many of us have mentioned in this thread. Why does that article have to imply that anyone mentioning the fact that Zimmerman had a wound on his head is somehow a racist and put racist phrasing in their mouths when there was none? If reporting on Zimmerman's injuries (which were treated by paramedics at the scene according to the police report and are looked at at least once by an officer in the video in question) makes someone a racist, what does it make someone if they edit audio of a 911 call in order to make someone sound racist?
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Monster Rain wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    Should have enhanced this the first time.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman

    Wonder if MSNBC will talk about this.

    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/lo ... s-injuries
    "Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller is now the Internet’s leader in the ongoing campaign to make Trayvon seem threatening. Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher had a good (or depressing) close reading of the Caller’s coverage, which ran the gamut from Martin-smearing to credulity-straining Zimmerman defenses (in one video freeze frame he looks like he might have a big scar, of the sort caused by scary black kids)". (From the article above)

    I'm sorry, but comments in articles such as "In one video freeze fram he looks like he might have a big scar, of the sort caused by scary black kids" are the exact type of race-baiting many of us have mentioned in this thread. Why does that article have to imply that anyone mentioning the fact that Zimmerman had a wound on his head is somehow a racist and put racist phrasing in their mouths when there was none? If reporting on Zimmerman's injuries (which were treated by paramedics at the scene according to the police report and are looked at at least once by an officer in the video in question) makes someone a racist, what does it make someone if they edit audio of a 911 call in order to make someone sound racist?
    again

    I have a very simple solution. If you don’t want George Zimmerman tried in the media, arrest him, so he can be tried in a court of law.
  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    RW81233 wrote:
    Monster Rain wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    "Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller is now the Internet’s leader in the ongoing campaign to make Trayvon seem threatening. Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher had a good (or depressing) close reading of the Caller’s coverage, which ran the gamut from Martin-smearing to credulity-straining Zimmerman defenses (in one video freeze frame he looks like he might have a big scar, of the sort caused by scary black kids)". (From the article above)

    I'm sorry, but comments in articles such as "In one video freeze fram he looks like he might have a big scar, of the sort caused by scary black kids" are the exact type of race-baiting many of us have mentioned in this thread. Why does that article have to imply that anyone mentioning the fact that Zimmerman had a wound on his head is somehow a racist and put racist phrasing in their mouths when there was none? If reporting on Zimmerman's injuries (which were treated by paramedics at the scene according to the police report and are looked at at least once by an officer in the video in question) makes someone a racist, what does it make someone if they edit audio of a 911 call in order to make someone sound racist?
    again

    I have a very simple solution. If you don’t want George Zimmerman tried in the media, arrest him, so he can be tried in a court of law.

    Why don't we just let the state and federal investigators do their jobs and determine if he should be prosecuted and stop letting the media create a racial firestorm (and ratings bonanza) by reporting only Martin's family's version of events and airing edited audio and making misleading statements about grainy video? If there's enough evidence against Zimmerman, then prosecute him. But if the evidence supports his version of events, why should we go along with the media's racial profiteering?

    If anyone is really concerned with justice in this case, then they should withhold their judgment and demand that the media do the same. Rushing to judgment in either direction isn't going to bring about anything resembling justice. Prosecuting without a case strong enough to have even a moderate chance of conviction isn't going to bring about justice any more than declaring the case closed too soon would.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    RW81233 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/enhanced-video-zimmerman-in-police-station-appears-to-show-injuries/

    saw this on the white media last night...I mean news :D ... :lol:

    Godfather.
    you seriously are going to argue that the aryan network isn't heavily influenced and reported by white people? stop now, just stop.

    :lol: yer killin me here,you stop ! :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    great post Monster Rain ! one of the few post on this topic that has any logic.

    Godfather.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Florida Police Warn Public Against Taking Law Into Own Hands Unless It’s That Law Specifically Designed For You To Do That

    SANFORD, FL—Amidst the controversy surrounding the recent shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, the Sanford Police Department cautioned Florida residents Tuesday against taking the law into their own hands, except when following the state statute that explicitly authorizes people to do so. "Let me be clear: We do not want citizens resorting to deadly force when they believe they're being threatened—unless, of course, they are following the letter of the law, which says they can resort to deadly force when they believe they're being threatened," said interim Sanford police chief Darren Scott, referring to the state's "Stand Your Ground" rule. "Law enforcement should be left to the police. However, it can also be left to common citizens, since pursuing vigilante justice is perfectly within their legal rights. Have I made myself clear?" After being bombarded with questions about the confusing nature of the law, a flustered Scott said, "Just don't be racist and kill people, okay?"
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Godfather. wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/enhanced-video-zimmerman-in-police-station-appears-to-show-injuries/

    saw this on the white media last night...I mean news :D ... :lol:

    Godfather.
    you seriously are going to argue that the aryan network isn't heavily influenced and reported by white people? stop now, just stop.

    :lol: yer killin me here,you stop ! :lol:

    Godfather.
    ok i'm directly saying that Fox News is littered with white male and female anchors, stars, and starlets. I am also directly saying that they choose to understand, interpret, and transmit information based on their own social class, race, gender, and sexual habitus. On Fox News it is overwhelmingly white, upper-class, masculine, and heterosexual. Most entertainment news stories that you post from that station reflect this type of mindset. How would you directly respond to this other than to deny it? Like what evidence do you have to support the idea that they don't reflect a white, upper-class, masculine, heterosexual value system?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/enhanced-video-zimmerman-in-police-station-appears-to-show-injuries/

    saw this on the white media last night...I mean news :D ... :lol:

    Godfather.

    Don't let those altered images fool you. That is one frame, frozen and manipulated.
    If the police handled this professionally, they would have taken photos of his injuries. If this goes any further, these will need to come out -- if they exist.

    I don't think we can come to any conclusions of Zimmerman's injuries without better evidence.

    I'm going to go along with Monster Rain's earlier post bro, this whole deal is really out of hand and being
    judged by the media and influnencing the public with their spin on what they call evidense and as it's been said the media is using this story to boost ratings...in the end it's all about the dollar for the media not Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    RW81233 pleassse ! you're telling me Fox does not employ anybody but white upper class males and a few females for eye candy only ? :shock: Fox is huge and and I have seen people of different color on many of their news stations......ohhhh I see now..you and Al Sharpton are one in the same...you are Al Sharpton sent to the PJ ten club to sell your vision of racism :lol:

    on a serious note man I think you are wrong,I have heard all the talk about fox and some I even kinda agree with but you and the Fox race thing is just a bit much.

    Godfather.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,955
    Stick to the topic please, not each other.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    RW8

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_m_1.php

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/fox ... hannel.php

    and yes they hire very pretty women

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_f_2.php

    Godfather
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,016
    Godfather. wrote:
    RW8

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_m_1.php

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/fox ... hannel.php

    and yes they hire very pretty women

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_f_2.php

    Godfather
    in my opinion they are only pretty until they start talking and spouting off the normal fox news talking points....easy on the eyes, but poison to the ears.... kinda like the spice girls...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    RW81233 wrote:
    again

    I have a very simple solution. If you don’t want George Zimmerman tried in the media, arrest him, so he can be tried in a court of law.

    is the police and DA not charging him the go ahead for irresponsible reporting?

    don't want him tried in the media...don't have a 24 hour news cycle that misinforms, doctors 911 calls, and makes this an issue of race when it was probably just one idiot killing a kid that didn't need to be shot. Why is it so hard to accept that Zimmerman may not be guilty according to Florida law and that he may not have been acting because of race. Why arrest a person the police know is innocent based on how the law is written?

    I will never understand the fascination with racism that people have...it does as much to keep it alive as the people who actually act out of irrational hate to begin with...
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Godfather. wrote:
    RW8

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_m_1.php

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/fox ... hannel.php

    and yes they hire very pretty women

    http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_f_2.php

    Godfather
    Ok, just to stay true to Kat's suggestion I will get it back to the topic after this. I didn't say they didn't hire women at all. I said that most of their entertainment news stories reflect a white, masculine, upper-class, heterosexual sentiment. Women can do that just as well as any guy. On top of that do you notice anything about the ethnic/racial makeup of the "talking heads" you just posted?

    My main contention is that most of the stuff they put out is through a decidedly whitened lens, and this has had a dramatic effect on the way they have covered this tragedy. Please see the other links and articles that I posted on the matter - particularly the timeline one whereby the conservative news (read: Fox) has only begun to take up the story after it became about gun control and race.
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    I will never understand the fascination with racism that people have...it does as much to keep it alive as the people who actually act out of irrational hate to begin with...
    it only does so if you find it inconvenient to discuss privilege in America. if we don't continue to try to improve then a status quo that still benefits rich, white, heterosexual, men will continue - the numbers overwhelmingly back me up on this (see: the 2010 census).
  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    RW81233 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    I will never understand the fascination with racism that people have...it does as much to keep it alive as the people who actually act out of irrational hate to begin with...
    it only does so if you find it inconvenient to discuss privilege in America. if we don't continue to try to improve then a status quo that still benefits rich, white, heterosexual, men will continue - the numbers overwhelmingly back me up on this (see: the 2010 census).
    You mean this one showing Asians making substantially more than everyone else? (actually this is 2009, but I doubt it changed much in a year)

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ ... 2s0697.pdf

    I'm not claiming this means racism doesn't exist. I am saying, however, that pointing to simple data and drawing a casual conclusion reveals more about one's own opinions than it does about the nature of reality.
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    moto, both asian-pacific islander (a small but not insignificant portion of our population) and caucasian are making significantly more per year (like 20-30k more). I also didn't just mean income, you have to take into account incarceration rates, job stability, hiring practices, media treatment, so on and so forth. again i don't mean to take away from the topic at hand it was just an ancillary argument i was having about white privilege.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    RW81233 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    I will never understand the fascination with racism that people have...it does as much to keep it alive as the people who actually act out of irrational hate to begin with...
    it only does so if you find it inconvenient to discuss privilege in America. if we don't continue to try to improve then a status quo that still benefits rich, white, heterosexual, men will continue - the numbers overwhelmingly back me up on this (see: the 2010 census).

    Black rich people benefit from the current system as well.

    but are you ok with the rest of what I wrote right?

    The media making this a black white issue without prior knowledge is not ok. And the media is being and should be blamed for that...not white privilege or racism.

    Do you think it is racism that directly causes the issues that Black America faces today? but more than that...do you think that white privilege makes it impossible for minorities to succeed?

    Improving the status quo is important. I agree...but why don't we focus on improving the status quo for all and not focus on race as a part of it. Why don't we stop checking race on every form we fill out. It seems to me we teach people to look at race as a characteristic of a person, when it is simply a different heritage.

    one of the most condescending approaches and side affects of all of this is that blaming white privilege for the experiences that minorities have makes it seem like they are incapable of not only overcoming but making things better themselves. Does that make sense? on paper I don't know if it is saying what I want. Basically, those that are blaming whites/racism for the tough issues facing minorities today makes it seem like the minorities are incapable of succeeding and changing their place without help from whites. I know that isn't the point that many are trying to make when they discuss it, but I catch myself thinking that from time to time.

    Racism = possibly erred logic but most certainly irrational. Eliminating it will be impossible. Improving race relations is possible, and it has happened over the past 50 years. But blowing this kind of thing up as racially motivated is not the way to do that, especially when it may not be to begin with...

    I just cannot help but think that if we ended the drug war over time we may find that the trends we see today being reversed.
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    - Joe Rogan
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    MotoDC wrote:
    You mean this one showing Asians making substantially more than everyone else? (actually this is 2009, but I doubt it changed much in a year)
    What the! :shock:

    Hmm ... I wasn't aware of this. Gonna have to call an emergency meeting w/ the Stonecutters to right the ship. :problem:

    by the way ... time to focus ...

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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Mike we agree on quite a bit here. Rich people almost always win in America, it's just that most rich people are white. And sometimes yes it is racism and white privilege that causes some (not all) problems for minorities (even poor whites) in our society. When people are still getting pulled over for the color of their skin then racism still exists, when 75% of black men and about the same for Latino men have some experience with our penal system something is not right. These are but a few of many instances that are often overlooked as evidence that racism still exists in our society today. Martin could be an example of this being a black kid, wearing a hoodie in a predominantly white suburban area and getting targeted (not even the shooting just targeted) speaks to the idea that one individual in our society was looking at him and using stereotypes to criminalize him. John Stossel actually plays into that by criminalizing him for both being 'dumb enough' to wear a hoodie as a black man because of the connotation that it promotes. If we were past racial pathologizing then why would he have said that?

    Either way where we always agree most is that this is a systemic issue. Where we disagree most is how to solve it (you want free markets and i don't think that's any more viable in reality than communism was), and where you only see it as a systemic issue and non-racial, I see it as a racial issue hidden, yet exacerbated, by the system.

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