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Should have enhanced this the first time.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman
Wonder if MSNBC will talk about this.
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I know of several activists and leaders that could lend their national identity to help spotlight this tragedy.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
shadowcast wrote:
I heard about this through the PBP paper also, there was reporting of this tragic crime on our local news . Some horrific crimes catch on with the media and are reported on many times over this one appears not to one of them.
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JonnyPistachio wrote:I think another fact that might be important is heard on the call that Zimmerman made to the police. At the end of the call, the operator tells Zimmerman to wait by the community mailboxes for the police to arrive. Zimmerman answers, "Yes, that's fine."
Then he changes his mind and suggests that the police call him when they arrive.
He changed his mind (and didnt listen to the operators suggestions a second time) because he didnt want to stay in one place. Maybe he wanted to pursue Martin. He only wanted to do what fit his agenda.
If you read earlier in the trasncript, he says that the police will see his truck if they go past the mailboxes. At that point he had already left his truck and had followed Martin before being asked to stop, so he wasn't actually at the mailboxes at the time of the call. Just because he didn't go back to the mailboxes doesn't mean that he kept following Martin, especially since he said right before that that he didn't want to say his address because he didn't know where Martin was. If he didn't know where Martin was, how could he be following him a mere 9 seconds later (which is what would have to have happened in order for him to change his mind by that point in the call)? Not wanting to meet at the mailboxes could simply mean that he didn't want to leave the spot where he last saw Martin so he could show them where he last saw him without having to go back and forth. Since we really have no idea how much time passed between the end of the call and the start of the fight, there's no way anyone can say with any degree of certainty whether or not Zimmerman decided to keep following Martin after saying he was going to stop. You don't know where he was standing in relation to the mailboxes--just that you had to go past them to find his truck. That could be 50 feet or 500 feet.0 -
Monster Rain wrote:JonnyPistachio wrote:I think another fact that might be important is heard on the call that Zimmerman made to the police. At the end of the call, the operator tells Zimmerman to wait by the community mailboxes for the police to arrive. Zimmerman answers, "Yes, that's fine."
Then he changes his mind and suggests that the police call him when they arrive.
He changed his mind (and didnt listen to the operators suggestions a second time) because he didnt want to stay in one place. Maybe he wanted to pursue Martin. He only wanted to do what fit his agenda.
If you read earlier in the trasncript, he says that the police will see his truck if they go past the mailboxes. At that point he had already left his truck and had followed Martin before being asked to stop, so he wasn't actually at the mailboxes at the time of the call. Just because he didn't go back to the mailboxes doesn't mean that he kept following Martin, especially since he said right before that that he didn't want to say his address because he didn't know where Martin was. If he didn't know where Martin was, how could he be following him a mere 9 seconds later (which is what would have to have happened in order for him to change his mind by that point in the call)? Not wanting to meet at the mailboxes could simply mean that he didn't want to leave the spot where he last saw Martin so he could show them where he last saw him without having to go back and forth.
Thats definitely a possibility. Obviously nobody is certain of what happened after that call. My point was that the operator told him to do something twice, to which Zimmerman was opposed. The operator was obviously trying to keep him from getting into a predicament. If his truck was by the mailboxes, he couldve still met police there and accompanied them to the last spot that he saw Martin. I just thought it was odd, thats all. If I was in his position, and the operator told me to go to my truck by the mailboxes, I wouldve went to my truck by the mailboxes, not said -- "call me when you arrive." (obviously suggesting that he doesnt know where he'll be)..maybe its just me, but that's another reflection of his attitude -- he wanted to be the guy to bust Martin. he said obviously annoyed, "they always get away."Monster Rain wrote:Since we really have no idea how much time passed between the end of the call and the start of the fight, there's no way anyone can say with any degree of certainty whether or not Zimmerman decided to keep following Martin after saying he was going to stop. You don't know where he was standing in relation to the mailboxes--just that you had to go past them to find his truck. That could be 50 feet or 500 feet.
Well, basically, we know he went pretty far from his truck to pursue MArtin -- we don't know if it was before or after the call though -- Either way, if he was told to go back to his car, if he was close when they suggested that, he couldve easily just agreed and waited for police to arrive at his car. But he didnt want to agree to waiting by the mailboxes, so maybe he was far from his truck. Either way, its not like he couldnt lead the police back to where he last saw Martin. it actually wasnt far. I saw the map of the area, the entrance, and the spot where Martin was killed. He had his own plan, the way I see it.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ce/255329/
to answer the completely fair question black-on-black crime has been protested but the white media does not care because it doesn't move the needle. most of us can't imagine this sadness and i hope we never do.0 -
RW81233 wrote:http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/
to answer the completely fair question black-on-black crime has been protested but the white media does not care because it doesn't move the needle. most of us can't imagine this sadness and i hope we never do.
the "white media" ???? you my friend are a perfect example of why racism is alive and well in America...the white media ? you are lost in your own cause so much you can't see beyond "black and white" the 60's are over my friend, just try and get along with your fellow man and stop pushing your agenda on people.
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RW81233 wrote:http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/
to answer the completely fair question black-on-black crime has been protested but the white media does not care because it doesn't move the needle. most of us can't imagine this sadness and i hope we never do.
Now consider that perspective in regards to how alive racism is in the U.S. If it is as bad as everybody claims, how is it that Al Sharpton isn't on a 356 day tour from crime to crime? This case has claimed the attention of everyone in America for the alleged racial profiling that lead to the death of a young man. If racism was as rampant as claimed, why would this story be as big as it is? Especially since the shooter is of Hispanic ethnicity?Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:RW81233 wrote:http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/
to answer the completely fair question black-on-black crime has been protested but the white media does not care because it doesn't move the needle. most of us can't imagine this sadness and i hope we never do.
Now consider that perspective in regards to how alive racism is in the U.S. If it is as bad as everybody claims, how is it that Al Sharpton isn't on a 356 day tour from crime to crime? This case has claimed the attention of everyone in America for the alleged racial profiling that lead to the death of a young man. If racism was as rampant as claimed, why would this story be as big as it is? Especially since the shooter is of Hispanic ethnicity?
The media is like a fire bug. They set a fire, call it in and sit back and watch as people are running around trying to put it out.Post edited by shadowcast on0 -
Jason P wrote:RW81233 wrote:http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/
to answer the completely fair question black-on-black crime has been protested but the white media does not care because it doesn't move the needle. most of us can't imagine this sadness and i hope we never do.
Now consider that perspective in regards to how alive racism is in the U.S. If it is as bad as everybody claims, how is it that Al Sharpton isn't on a 356 day tour from crime to crime? This case has claimed the attention of everyone in America for the alleged racial profiling that lead to the death of a young man. If racism was as rampant as claimed, why would this story be as big as it is? Especially since the shooter is of Hispanic ethnicity?
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Godfather. wrote:the "white media" ???? you my friend are a perfect example of why racism is alive and well in America...the white media ? you are lost in your own cause so much you can't see beyond "black and white" the 60's are over my friend, just try and get along with your fellow man and stop pushing your agenda on people.
Godfather.
Sick of that term. Sick of all of these damned labels!
And as a sidenote - we're fucking human beings. Racism will always exist, here and everywhere. Sure it has been and will hopefully continue to be lessened, but it will never go away. And it will always be from all sides. Not just one. And definitely NOT just the one that dipshits like Farrakhan and Sharpton and any other propogators want to promote (regardless of their race....did I even have to say that?)
(yeah, I'm just a bit grumpy this morning)
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hedonist wrote:Godfather. wrote:the "white media" ???? you my friend are a perfect example of why racism is alive and well in America...the white media ? you are lost in your own cause so much you can't see beyond "black and white" the 60's are over my friend, just try and get along with your fellow man and stop pushing your agenda on people.
Godfather.
Sick of that term. Sick of all of these damned labels!
And as a sidenote - we're fucking human beings. Racism will always exist, here and everywhere. Sure it has been and will hopefully continue to be lessened, but it will never go away. And it will always be from all sides. Not just one. And definitely NOT just the one that dipshits like Farrakhan and Sharpton and any other propogators want to promote (regardless of their race....did I even have to say that?)
(yeah, I'm just a bit grumpy this morning)
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/en ... -injuries/
saw this on the white media last night...I mean news...
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http://www.salon.com/2012/04/02/why_rus ... on_martin/
Why Rush Limbaugh and the right turned on Trayvon Martin
A national tragedy became another awful political shouting match, thanks to vile pundits and talk-radio hosts
BY ALEX PAREENE
Center: A photo of Trayvon Martin, taken from his Twitter feed by the Daily Caller and disseminated by right-wing media.
TOPICS:TRAYVON MARTIN, MEDIA CRITICISM, RACE, TUCKER CARLSON, BARACK OBAMA, EDITOR'S PICKS
Seventeen-year-old Trayvon Martin was killed by a gun-toting, self-appointed “neighborhood watch leader” named George Zimmerman on Feb. 26, in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman was not and has not yet been arrested. Martin’s death took some time to go from a local news story to a major nationwide controversy, but once it went national it quickly became huge. Coverage from the Huffington Post, a March 8 CBS News report and related Associated Press stories led to widespread Internet and cable news coverage.
Except on the right. In the parallel conservative media bubble, of Fox News and talk radio and right-wing websites, Trayvon Martin’s story didn’t register. Even after the major national newspapers began getting into the story, after the NAACP began demanding the Justice Department investigate, the right-wing press and commentariat kept silent. Drudge completely ignored the story. By March 19, Fox News had done precisely one Trayvon Martin segment. It was still possible, on March 21, for Mother Jones’ Adam Serwer to write that “the right-wing reaction to the shooting of Trayvon Martin has been mercifully muted.”
When right-wing media figures first began to weigh in, it was with (occasionally surprising) thoughtfulness . On March 22, Allen West, a congressman who regularly explores new frontiers in unhinged right-wing provocation, posted an angered but measured response to the Martin killing on his Facebook wall, calling police inaction “an outrage.” Reihan Salam, writing at the National Review, said “I get the tentative sense that this conversation hasn’t gotten crazily polarized.” On March 23, National Review editor Rich Lowry wrote a piece astoundingly headlined “Al Sharpton is right.”
On March 23, two things happened: Buffoon Geraldo Riviera made his infamous remarks on the role Martin’s style of dress played in his death — a dumb point dumbly made — and President Obama told the press: “My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
It was basically on this day that everything went to hell. The story of an unarmed teenager shot dead while walking home and a police force that decided that didn’t constitute a crime suddenly became a partisan issue with numerous points of contention.
Here are four reasons this became another right-versus-left shouting match:
1. The conservative movement denies the existence (or prevalence or impact) of racism.
Though toxic racial resentment is one of the most powerful driving forces behind contemporary right-wing populism, the conservative movement largely prefers to believe that racism was “solved” many years ago, most likely on the day Martin Luther King gave the “I Have a Dream” speech. The corollary to this belief is that accusations of racism are the new racism, and said accusations are invariably politically motivated.
As Elspeth Reeve pointed out in a sharp piece for the Atlantic Wire, the Trayvon Martin case posed something of a problem: No one was accusing anyone other than George Zimmerman of racism. There wasn’t an obvious political partisan advantage to raising awareness of Martin’s death. But some right-wingers find any acknowledgment of racism by liberals to be blood libel against all conservatives. And so … they began defending George Zimmerman’s honor, and smearing Trayvon Martin.
Glenn Beck’s site, the Blaze, led the charge, suggesting without much in the way of evidence that Martin was “the aggressor,” based on nothing other than the fact that he had been suspended from school. (The site also threw in some speculation that Martin may have been an arsonist.) The sole reason for this was a pathological need to deny the existence of any form of racism that doesn’t take the form of liberals hating white people.
In order to argue that Zimmerman found Martin suspicious for some reason other than the sole fact of his black skin, conservatives began seeking evidence that Martin was terrifying. The evidence all basically revolved around his blackness, but “logic” doesn’t have much to do with the popularity of the fake “Trayvon” photo, sourced to the neo-Nazi message board Stormfront and briefly featured at Michelle Malkin’s new site “Twitchy.” (The photo was, in fact, of another black teenager that Stormfront and Twitchy had mistaken for Martin.)
Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller is now the Internet’s leader in the ongoing campaign to make Trayvon seem threatening. Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher had a good (or depressing) close reading of the Caller’s coverage, which ran the gamut from Martin-smearing to credulity-straining Zimmerman defenses (in one video freeze frame he looks like he might have a big scar, of the sort caused by scary black kids).
As you can see, The Daily Caller was very thorough when it comes to covering Al Sharpton riling up black people, or Jesse Jackson showing up late, or President Obama being a bad, bad man, or George Zimmerman telling his side of the story and gaining “momentum.” They were so thorough that they even managed to work communists and Father Pfleger(!!!) into their coverage, and obtain the expert legal opinion of Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX). They’ve also been very thorough about conducting an internet grave-robbing, posting two rounds of tweets from the slain teenager’s closed Twitter accounts. [emphasis his.]
This devolved into the now common Internet practice of showing pictures of Martin posturing for the camera, giving the finger, arguing that the liberal media didn’t want you to know what Martin really looked like. How do photographs like that affect the facts of his shooting as we currently understand them? People who are already scared of young black men and people who exploit the fear of young black men for political purposes simply and sincerely believe that Americans as a whole will be less likely to feel that an injustice has occurred if they learn that Trayvon Martin was scary and not adorable.
(The Caller has begun to slightly rein in its coverage, following widespread criticism of its awfulness, but we’ll see how long the restraint lasts.)
The “highbrow” version of this barrel-scraping garbage is, say, Jonah Goldberg’s ponderous column and blog post on how middle-class blacks don’t understand that white racism is no longer a problem in black communities.
2. The president is extremely polarizing
President Obama was careful to limit his comments on the Martin story (which were made in direct response to a question from the press, and not, say, prepared remarks) to a personal message of empathy for Martin’s parents and a call for everyone to take the situation and the investigation into it seriously.
Naturally, Newt Gingrich immediately called the remarks “disgraceful.” This is also around the time that Rush Limbaugh felt free to weigh in, too. Josh Barro noted some of the not particularly enlightened conservative response in his Forbes piece on the right’s race problem.
It is a simple fact that when the president takes a position on something, anything, roughly 50 percent of the nation then decides to take the opposite opinion. Once Obama spoke out, caring about Martin became a “Democratic” issue, and Republicans felt not just free but obligated to fling all sorts of shit.
Soon, even Peggy Noonan was weighing in to say that Obama’s response was more proof of his arrogance, or whatever. The New York Post’s attempt to cover the story insensitively but not too insensitively led to a front page accusing black political leaders (or “race hustlers” in Post parlance) of “hijacking” the tragedy. The real tragedy is that black people and Democrats won’t stop talking about Trayvon Martin!
3. The killing was already political.
Often, when people complain about people “politicizing” a tragedy, what they’re actually complaining about is people attempting to determine what policies helped lead to the tragedy. In the case of any given incident of gun violence, America’s lax restrictions on gun ownership can suddenly seem a bit irresponsible. In the Martin case, liberal journalists noted that Florida had passed “stand your ground” self-defense rules, lobbied for by the NRA and dreamed up by ALEC.
It’s unclear whether or not the “stand your ground” law would have any real effect on Zimmerman’s hypothetical defense in court, and though it’s plausible, we can’t know for certain whether the law made him feel emboldened enough to shoot, but it seems self-evident that Florida’s “robust” self-defense laws are part of the reason the police never arrested him. Their understanding of the law, correct or no, led them to believe that Zimmerman was immune from prosecution.
Conservatives feared, rightly, that outrage over the killing would lead to some pushback against their largely successful under-the-radar attempts to legislate gun control completely out of existence state by state. Libertarians were first out of the gate on this front, with Reason magazine’s contributors pointedly and repeatedly arguing that “stand your ground” laws had nothing to do with the shooting, at all. (This David French post at the Corner suggests that Trayvon Martin was the one legally protected by Florida’s laws. Having the law on his side wasn’t as useful as having a gun, of course, and if Martin had been armed I suspect the national conversation would be … very different, right now.)
Part of the frantic defense of Zimmerman is an attempt to ensure that liberals never, ever go back to the gun control advocacy they essentially gave up on after the 1990s.
4. Racism.
Of course at the root of the most noxious material from the far right is simple racism — the sincere belief that if a black kid got shot, he probably had it coming.0 -
Godfather. wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/enhanced-video-zimmerman-in-police-station-appears-to-show-injuries/
saw this on the white media last night...I mean news...
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shadowcast wrote:Should have enhanced this the first time.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman
Wonder if MSNBC will talk about this.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/lo ... s-injuries0 -
Godfather. wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/enhanced-video-zimmerman-in-police-station-appears-to-show-injuries/
saw this on the white media last night...I mean news...
Godfather.
Don't let those altered images fool you. That is one frame, frozen and manipulated.
If the police handled this professionally, they would have taken photos of his injuries. If this goes any further, these will need to come out -- if they exist.
I don't think we can come to any conclusions of Zimmerman's injuries without better evidence.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/0 ... zimmerman/
Why I Refuse to Feel Sorry for George Zimmerman
Poor George Zimmerman?
Some in the media actually want us to feel sorry for George Zimmerman. Yes, the self appointed neighborhood watch captain, habitual 911 caller, police officer assaulter, domestic abuser, black child stalker, 911 operator ignorer, racial slur user, and unarmed black teenager killer. The same George Zimmerman who still hasn’t been arrested after killing Trayvon Martin over a month ago. Now we’re being told we should feel sorry for him because he’s being “demonized” in the media. Supporters even complained the only picture the media used of him was a mugshot! Really? Welcome to our world George. Black men have been demonized by the media since the invention of media. Trayvon is still being labeled a thug, even after he was shot down with nothing but skittles in his pocket, and tests proved Trayvon was not under the influence of alcohol and drugs.
It doesn’t matter that George Zimmerman’s story, unbelievable as it already was, is falling apart more and more each day. That forensic experts are saying that it’s a scientific certainty it’s not George Zimmerman screaming for help on the 911 call. That video from the night shows George with no marks, coupled with the funeral director’s account of a unmarked, unbruised Trayvon. Sanford’s own investigators didn’t believe George’s lies and were ready to charge him with manslaughter, even before all of this evidence was available to the public. That’s of course until Chief Bill Lee, who has since stepped down, and state attorney Norman Wolfinger, who has now removed himself from the case, let George walk free. So now let me get this straight, George Zimmerman followed, confronted, and murdered an unarmed boy, then lied to the police, but he’s the victim?
Now the new focus is on “media blunders”, rushing to judgement and even calls for justice for George Zimmerman. Media outlets are scrambling to either distract us with pundit beef, or bounties, or find something to support the Zimmerman family’s outrageous claims. Even ABC’s enhanced video claiming to show “gashes” on Zimmerman’s head is borderline ridiculous, considering how much the head bleeds from even the smallest cut, and the fact the police have no gloves on. How come ABC didn’t enhance his face to see if his nose was broken? Zimmerman supporters are even throwing down cold hard cash to help his legal defense.
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RW81233 wrote:I have a very simple solution. If you don’t want George Zimmerman tried in the media, arrest him, so he can be tried in a court of law.
thank you!
i think this is something all of uc can agree on..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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