THE WALKING DEAD...and all things zombie

Hugh Freaking Dillon · March 2012

rrivers wrote:

To me, this and other plot problems people in this thread have pointed out don't come off to me like there is a grand plan where things will be explained later but that they are just plot holes that weren't worked out by the writers. I feel by this time in the show we should know definitively if everyone who dies becomes a zombie or if you need to be biten.

the "how they become a zombie" hasn't been explained because it was actually explained in season one (being exposed to a zombie via a bite or a scratch). they didn't lie. it's just now SEEMS the virus has mutated (as many strong/resistant viruses do) to now be transferred through the air. otherwise every single dead person that Rick (the sheriff) came across in Atlanta would have been a walker.

I really don't think there are plot holes. I think this has been carefully plotted out. From what I can see, is that this isn't Lost. At least so far. If it was, we would have had a bunch of flashback episodes going through the history of the characters before the apocalypse or something of the like.

I think the main difference of people who are stioll captivated by this show and those that are bored by it in season 2 is how you look at the show and what you want from it. As I said, I was never a big zombie guy (never saw any of the big zombie movies, even to this day), but when I saw the trailers for this series, I was captivated by the story of human survival. But there are many others who look at the writer/creater of the show and are expecting something much different. I can appreciate that. I'm just glad it's going my way.

that said, I'm not going to bitch after the finale, which looks like a zombie-fest.

rrivers · March 2012

We obviously just see it completely differently.

Even if it was explained at the end of season 1, there was enough confusion just on this thread to show people watching it wouldn't understand why Shane became a zombie.

And my expectations for this show are ridculously low and they continue to surprise me every week when the episodes don't even meet those low expectations. But that is one of the things that keeps me watching: to see how bad it will get.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · March 2012

rrivers wrote:

We obviously just see it completely differently.

Even if it was explained at the end of season 1, there was enough confusion just on this thread to show people watching it wouldn't understand why Shane became a zombie.

I actually like that in this show. I don't like things being so obvious that they are spoon-fed to the audience. to me that's the "holy shit" factor of the show.

rrivers · March 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

rrivers wrote:

We obviously just see it completely differently.

Even if it was explained at the end of season 1, there was enough confusion just on this thread to show people watching it wouldn't understand why Shane became a zombie.

I actually like that in this show. I don't like things being so obvious that they are spoon-fed to the audience. to me that's the "holy shit" factor of the show.

I'm not asking to be spoon-fed, I'm asking for coherence.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · March 2012

rrivers wrote:

I'm not asking to be spoon-fed, I'm asking for coherence.

I know that, I was just giving the other extreme example, that was all.

SatansFuton · March 2012

You know what this show is missing?

Tallahassee

Easily the greatest character in any zombie movie or show.

Except for maybe "zombie" Bill Murray

Better Dan · March 2012

rrivers wrote:

I don't disagree with you that the show is about human survival, but make the storylines and the writing better when you go away from the zombies.

This! I still enjoy this show overall, but I don't think its living up to its potential at all. I think the second half of the season has been stronger than the first half, but my biggest gripe is that for the most part the non-zombie story lines just aren't very strong. This season has felt stagnant..like not a lot has really happened. We have one episode where they are going to leave Randall and debating what to do with them, then the next episode they spend the entire episode deciding what to do with him without making a decision, then it isn't until the end of the next episode that Shane kills him. We had the entire first half of the season spent looking for Sophia and people sick in bed. They shouldn't need zombies to make the show interesting, but most of the time, the show doesn't seem interesting when zombies aren't on the screen because the writing is lacking. My brother in law who has never seen the show before laughed at last week's episode...especially when Lori was talking to Shane and said she didn't know who the baby belonged to. He said it was like a bad soap opera with random moments of zombie violence. I think at times, it really is.

I think that AMC cutting the budget for season 2, pretty much forcing them to stay on the farm the entire season, didn't help at all.

Better Dan · March 2012

rrivers wrote:

What does everyone think of this season? I think it has really gone downhill. I enjoyed the first season a lot, but this season they are spending a lot of time trying to strengthen the characters and really doing a poor job of it. I'm not expecting the show to be Mad Men or The Sopranos with regard to writing and characterization, but it seems like they are trying to make it that way and failing. The whole prisoner storyline just dragged and was stupid to begin with...why save the guy and then kill or let him go? Just leave him there in the first place! They need to get off that farm.

Why do I keep watching, you ask? Honestly, I'm not sure. I find myself checking the time left on my DVR'd copy a lot and hoping for the end. Part of me hopes it will get good again (though I doubt it, I think Darabont had a lot to do with it being good) and another part of me watches because it has entered the "so bad it's good" arena.

I think we're kind've in the same boat about this season. I almost stopped watching after that zombie in the well episode. I don't want or need zombie attack after zombie attack every episode, but I want the character stuff to be better written.

I think they dragged out the farm stuff way too long. Imagine if what was happening this weekend was the mid season finale instead. I think they could have easily cut the farm stuff in half and just kept the best stuff in and dropped all the filler. It just seems like the behind the scenes stuff is hurting the show. All the season 1 writers were fired, the budget was lowered, the showrunner was fired...not good!

SatansFuton · March 2012

The thing with the human drama, and conflict among the humans is that they need to be a bit more original and colorful with it. Some of it is good, and some isn't. I found the Maggie/Glen storyline kind of fresh, the whole thing about whether or not you should commit to a relationship in such a world and whether love is a liability is a new one on me. So I liked that, but a lot of the other stuff is kind of cliche or has been done before. The whole thing with Lori struggling with whether or not it's right to bring a baby into the zombie apocalypse or to have an abortion was covered in Dawn Of The Dead. Love triangles have probably been covered by every soap opera since the dawn of time. Whether or not suicide is a viable option has been covered, and executed far better than in this show.

And the whole "humans are more dangerous than zombies" has been done so much that it's becoming a cliche to fans of the zombie genre. It's like everybody who sets out to make a zombie movie is just trying to drive the point home that humans are dick-heads. Which is all well and good but after a while it's just beating a dead horse. It was the point of most of the Romero movies and so many others, notably 28 Days Later.

It's strange, but the most original zombie films to come out of the past 10-15 years have been comedies. Films that don't get too caught up in the inevitable drama and hidden messages about how we're bigger douchebags than flesh-eating zombies. Zombieland, Shaun Of The Dead and Fido have been truly original. Because they weren't too preachy, which seems to be a requirement for "serious" zombie films/shows since Romero. Although his first 3 have a good balance to them and aren't TOO preachy, but since then it seems that everybody who makes a zombie film has to have a message or follow the same cliches.

Better Dan · March 2012

Minor thing, but I wonder why the word 'zombie' doesn't exist in TWD Universe.

The main camp calls them walkers, and didn't Randall refer to them as movers?

unlost dogs · March 2012

I live in happy anticipation of a future without Lori.

And I've had just about enough of Carl.

SatansFuton · March 2012

Better Dan wrote:

Minor thing, but I wonder why the word 'zombie' doesn't exist in TWD Universe. The main camp calls them walkers, and didn't Randall refer to them as movers?

Robert Kirkman said on Talking Dead that this is kind of an "alternate universe" in which all the Romero and other zombie films don't exist. We are to understand that when this outbreak began, there was no popular culture for the people to compare it to, and that something like this had never even been imagined as fiction.

Because of this they made a concerted effort to keep the word zombie out of all the comic books, as this isn't even a word to those people, but I think he said they accidentally let the word slip in, so just stopped trying to censor it.

kwdaley · March 2012

SatansFuton wrote:

You know what this show is missing?

Tallahassee

Easily the greatest character in any zombie movie or show.

Except for maybe "zombie" Bill Murray

or a zombie Eddie Van Halen:

afroannnie · March 2012

Predictions for the Finale?

merkinball · March 2012

afroannnie wrote:

Predictions for the Finale?

Note - Possibly a spoiler? Since the Governor has been brought up, I figure other characters are fair game too.

I'm hoping it ends with the introduction of a bad-ass katana wielding character from the comics.

rafie · March 2012

Cradles Broken Glass wrote:

I hope it is ok to ask this, but does anyone who does not have AMC know of a way to watch current Walking Dead episodes without visiting a seedy website that might damage my computer? We are looking at cutting our cable package down, which means we will lose AMC (but we will be paying $25/month vs. $70). If I absolutely have to, I can wait for DVDs, but if I could stay up to date, that would be awesome.

http://eztv.it/shows/428/the-walking-dead/

Hugh Freaking Dillon · March 2012

Better Dan wrote:

Minor thing, but I wonder why the word 'zombie' doesn't exist in TWD Universe. The main camp calls them walkers, and didn't Randall refer to them as movers?

I thought Randall's group called them Lame Brains.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · March 2012

kwdaley wrote:

SatansFuton wrote:

You know what this show is missing?

Tallahassee

Easily the greatest character in any zombie movie or show.

Except for maybe "zombie" Bill Murray

or a zombie Eddie Van Halen:

I never did see that zombie movie with Woody. It looked pretty good. that EVH pic is awesome!

neilybabes86 · March 2012

TALLLAHASSEE!!!!!

neilybabes86 · March 2012

my prediction..

big hersch is a goner ...they have to flee the farm (they will not be able to wipe them out on site)

maybe another regular from the original group also a goner..whoever does die..we might see them kill a regular

forgive me..i'am rambling and very high

super stoked though

THE WALKING DEAD...and all things zombie

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