Obam,the oil companies and Re-election ???

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  • pjfan021
    pjfan021 Posts: 684
    Holy Christ people. The problem isn't driving an suv, it's what you fuel it with so stop complaining for or against suv's already. This thread was about the president and oil Prices not suv's! There's a real conversation to be had here
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    pjfan021 wrote:
    Holy Christ people. The problem isn't driving an suv, it's what you fuel it with so stop complaining for or against suv's already. This thread was about the president and oil Prices not suv's! There's a real conversation to be had here


    thanks, Grandma...

    what is it you'd like to say...?
  • pjfan021
    pjfan021 Posts: 684
    inmytree wrote:
    pjfan021 wrote:
    Holy Christ people. The problem isn't driving an suv, it's what you fuel it with so stop complaining for or against suv's already. This thread was about the president and oil Prices not suv's! There's a real conversation to be had here


    thanks, Grandma...

    what is it you'd like to say...?

    I thought it was clear...driving SUVs, sedans, trucks, spaceships, boats...it doesn't matter, oil production is at its peak and people are arguing who's car wastes more gas; I was lookin to stay on topic but I guess grandma got tired of hearing the kids making all that damon noise
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,702
    Jason P wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    The are not any bigger then mini-vans (of which I'm a big fan), pickups, etc. Choosing a smaller car is choosing to succumb to a known safety hazard of their limited visibility. :geek: ;)

    Cost of gas is the main impractical part of owning a SUV.

    cost of gas if money is all you care about ... by burning more gas it means more pollution and ghg into the air ...

    safety ratings for SUVs are not that good either
    Man, I have a Silverado right now so I can only dream of the fuel efficiency from my old SUV. :) I would love to have a Mini Cooper Sport for a second car, but that would be excess.

    And I'm not to worried about burning a few extra gallons of gas as I try to make my environmental impact on a large scale beyond what I'm personally capable of.

    About 10,000 people die each year in roll over crashes, so you folks in your giant tanks be careful, please.

    I have a mini cooper S, I highly recommend it! (dump the Silverado!)
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,702
    Godfather. wrote:
    the reasons for owning a P/U or a SUV are endless but the most important one is....are you ready ? ...because I fucking can :lol: and that otta be good enough for anybody who feels they need to know.. :lol:

    Godfather.

    That's a sad statement on the American culture of entitlement: "suck it up, burn it, buy it, dump it, spill it, toss it--why? because I can!"
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Go Beavers wrote:
    That's a sad statement on the American culture of entitlement: "suck it up, burn it, buy it, dump it, spill it, toss it--why? because I can!"

    which brings us back to ...

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=185267&start=30#p4302377
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,702
    polaris_x wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    That's a sad statement on the American culture of entitlement: "suck it up, burn it, buy it, dump it, spill it, toss it--why? because I can!"

    which brings us back to ...

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=185267&start=30#p4302377

    You just mobius'd the thread.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    Earlier today in this thread I made a comment about over half the vehicles in my area being trucks and SUV's. Later, while out on business I got to thinking that maybe I spoke to soon so I did a quick survey. On a one of the major roads I was on in our county I counted the first 100 vehicle to pass me. Not counting service or utility trucks I counted 62 pickup trucks/SUV's and 38 passenger cars (and not a single Prius). As far as I could see, all of the trucks and SUV's were being driven by sole occupants and none had visible loads in them.

    Another interesting point: A few months ago I went out to purchase some additional shelving that I needed for my book business. A friend offered to let me take her humongous Toyota 4-Runner. With the passenger seat set as far forward as possible, I measured the the longest inside dimension of the 4-Runner capable of carrying the to-be-assembled boxed shelves and then did the same with my Prius. The Prius won out and at 45 MPG I saves much fuel using it instead of the 18 MPG 4-Runner. Also, with the back seats down I've carried as many as 22 banker-boxes full of books on hilly roads and even with that big a load still averaged over 40 MPG.

    And as I've said previously elsewhere, my Prius is not a snob vehicle. Over the lifetime of this vehicle the savings in gas will not only pay for the entire vehicle, it will put money in my pocket. This is true- I've done the math a couple of times.

    Tell me again why I need an SUV?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    who said you did?

    clearly your lifestyle does not require it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    who said you did?

    clearly your lifestyle does not require it.

    Good call- no one. But I think you get my point.

    My local organic produce grower needs his truck. A friend who does large major book fairs needs his van. But most of the wide range of people I know in this area do not need trucks or SUV's. So why did I come up with 62 trucks/SUV's to 32 passenger cars?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    how many people had passengers in the 32 cars?

    I presume not many. Maybe they should all buy motorcycles? Maybe you should too?

    Many of the people you saw driving probably don't have multiple vehicles for multiple chores. With that in mind, maybe they like to have the flexibility to accomplish all their shit in one vehicle?

    Choices
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    how many people had passengers in the 32 cars?

    I presume not many. Maybe they should all buy motorcycles? Maybe you should too?

    Many of the people you saw driving probably don't have multiple vehicles for multiple chores. With that in mind, maybe they like to have the flexibility to accomplish all their shit in one vehicle?

    Choices

    The vast majority of people do not need anything bigger than a sedan (and assuming that is so and they are smart, they'll save money and buy a hybrid). Your truck may hold 500 gallons of water but your argument does not. As for people's "shit", well-shoot- just ask George Carlin about that! :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    brianlux wrote:
    There's a great segment in the movie "The Parking Lot Movie" (which, by the way, if you haven't seen yet I highly recommend it- one of the coolest documentaries I've seen in a long time!) in which one of the parking attendants describe the growth in size of the American vehicle- and you often see single people driving these things around unloaded by themselves. The attendants often turn these people away, refusing to let them park in the lot because they're too damn big. Great movie- anyone else see it?

    Yeah, someone recommended it in the Documentaries thread on AET. It's a cool movie.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Back to the original topic of this thread... President Obama, Oil Companies (gasoline prices) and the November Election...
    Does anyone really believe that the President has any control over the Oil Compaines? Don't the Oil Companies OWN all of the politicians? Not just in the U.S., but everywhere.
    ...
    What about drilling in the U.S.'s Strategic Oil Reserves? Do people know what it is there for? Here is a little quiz:
    The United States' Strategic Oil Reserves are for:
    A. Strategic use in case of war with a large country with a large armed for that possesses global capabilities. These countries include Russia, China, Israel (yes, Israel), Europe (yes, Europe) because you never know who your future enemy will be (see Iran circa 1962).
    The Middle Eastern Oil Fields will be up for grabs and trying to sustain a global war on a far away continent is difficult, if you do not possess the fuel to get your hardware there and back. War Machines do not run on patriotism... they need fossil fuels.
    OR...
    B. So, you can have cheap gas to idle your HummVee in a McDonalds Drive Thru.
    ...
    If you picked B., Please explain... Why would the Oil Companies and their multi millionaire executives sell you gasoline, cheap... when they can sell it to countries overseas for a shitload of cash? Note: If you use 'benevolence', please, provide examples of past Oil Company benevolence.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Cosmo wrote:
    Back to the original topic of this thread... President Obama, Oil Companies (gasoline prices) and the November Election...
    Does anyone really believe that the President has any control over the Oil Compaines? Don't the Oil Companies OWN all of the politicians? Not just in the U.S., but everywhere.
    ...
    What about drilling in the U.S.'s Strategic Oil Reserves? Do people know what it is there for? Here is a little quiz:
    The United States' Strategic Oil Reserves are for:
    A. Strategic use in case of war with a large country with a large armed for that possesses global capabilities. These countries include Russia, China, Israel (yes, Israel), Europe (yes, Europe) because you never know who your future enemy will be (see Iran circa 1962).
    The Middle Eastern Oil Fields will be up for grabs and trying to sustain a global war on a far away continent is difficult, if you do not possess the fuel to get your hardware there and back. War Machines do not run on patriotism... they need fossil fuels.
    OR...
    B. So, you can have cheap gas to idle your HummVee in a McDonalds Drive Thru.
    ...
    If you picked B., Please explain... Why would the Oil Companies and their multi millionaire executives sell you gasoline, cheap... when they can sell it to countries overseas for a shitload of cash? Note: If you use 'benevolence', please, provide examples of past Oil Company benevolence.


    the president shouldn't tap into the SOR...what he should do is not worry about gas prices. Worry about diplomacy with Iran and the rest of the middle east...turmoil there raises prices for everyone.

    He should also worry about stopping spring and summer from coming...you know...the travel seasons where gas prices go up annually...

    we are spiking right now...get used to it. it will continue until after labor day...

    the only thing the president can do is try to improve relations in the middle east. He doesn't run the oil companies, and he doesn't set the price of gasoline.

    as for examples of benevolence...BP cares so much for the gulf region...their commercials told me.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the oil companies run the gov't ... that is why the US helped a coup in Iran way back when ... it's absurd to think the president or gov't can control gas prices ... it's the other way around ...
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    polaris_x wrote:
    the oil companies run the gov't ... that is why the US helped a coup in Iran way back when ... it's absurd to think the president or gov't can control gas prices ... it's the other way around ...
    ...
    Exactly.
    If the oil companies are allowed to tap into the Strategic Oil Reserves, shouldn't they be able to sell the oil at the going market rates? After all, it is capitalism, right? Market rules apply, right?
    If not... meaning they would HAVE to sell the oil to Americans as a cut rate instead of making a hefty profit from the Chinese... isn't that basically 'Nationalizing' the Oil Reserves? Isn't that what SOCALISTS and Oil Monarchys do?
    Oil Companies are in the business of making money for Oil Executives. If any believes they are in the business to keep us happy... well, I think it's time they finally pull their heads out of their asses because they ain't gonna find the Oil Companies Mission Statement of benevolence towards us up there.
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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    Hillary Clinton convinced the Western allies that the sanctions against Iran would work and Iran would falter fast. It’s not happening! Even the Saudis hadn’t counted on Iran holding out this long and now they’re flip-flopping on continuing to increase their output.

    You think PM Cameron came over to watch March Madness, no! He came to tell Obama and Congress that it is WINTER in the UK, with snow on the ground and freezing cold on the way -- and the UK is facing oil and gas shortages, and a financial recession if they don’t get some help.

    The prices of gas will stabilize, Obama will pull gas from the reserves, not for us, but for Europe, and MORE IMPORTANTLY – big oil will keep its mouth shut because any public announcement that the UK is in financial trouble would damn near throw Wall Street into a cascading free fall, especially since Japan is in no position to stabilize any such down swing. With SWIFT joining in on the monopoly game, if Germany intervened and failed to slow another recession, it would be a total collapse, and who wins, Brazil.

    Obama will win on the gas prices, which by the oil companies and Wall Street speculation should have been $5.50 ($6.03) per – right now – on the East Coast.
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