Sure, there always are. That is not my objective though and I exersice my right to do it how i like. For someone to look at my lifestyle and get all bent because I burn more gas than them that's cool but I think it's foolish.
That may be your right but is it responsible? What if (and I correct my figure from above) all 7,000,262,376 people on earth consumed at that rate? What kind of "lifestyle" would that create?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Politicians shouldn't be talking about bringing the price of oil down, they should be talking about ways to get off it. Domestic oil production in this country is higher than before Obama got in office... We can't drill our way out of this. WE NEED ALTERNATE ENERGY SOURCES. No dem or rep can fix this issue by drilling more
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Politicians shouldn't be talking about bringing the price of oil down, they should be talking about ways to get off it. Domestic oil production in this country is higher than before Obama got in office... We can't drill our way out of this. WE NEED ALTERNATE ENERGY SOURCES. No dem or rep can fix this issue by drilling more
Bingo! :thumbup:
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
and PS - polaris' point of having to stop while fueling kind defeats your purpose. In fact, lugging al lthat fuel probably cuts down on your mpg anyways. But then again, who knows, maybe you have one of those low flying refueler aircraft that fills you while you're moving for more convenience?
Not at all, polaris does not make a relevant point with regard to my reserves. Completely misses it still actualy. Again, many of you are looking at it from your own lense. My fuel reserves only go with me in an emergency/"event". In such a scenario, I do not count on or expect to be able to re-fuel my vehicle through retail. Lilly pad number 3 is hundreds of miles from my home and lilly two is in the same geographical location so each (1 & 2) may be comprimised after an event. If you would like to discuss this further we can, because I am here to help.
Sure, there always are. That is not my objective though and I exersice my right to do it how i like. For someone to look at my lifestyle and get all bent because I burn more gas than them that's cool but I think it's foolish.
I, for one, am not too bent about this, but rather thankful that I considered all the options and put myself in a place where I cant complain about gas prices, as you did a few pages back.
To each their own.
I only get bent when I consider what would happen if everyone drove these monsters (as Brianlux points out). Actually, its nearly everyone in south florida driving these huge SUVs. And most dont need them. it is a symbol of excess in my area, no doubt. But that really has nothing to do with you.
and PS - polaris' point of having to stop while fueling kind defeats your purpose. In fact, lugging al lthat fuel probably cuts down on your mpg anyways. But then again, who knows, maybe you have one of those low flying refueler aircraft that fills you while you're moving for more convenience?
Not at all, polaris does not make a relevant point with regard to my reserves. Completely misses it still actualy. Again, many of you are looking at it from your own lense. My fuel reserves only go with me in an emergency/"event". In such a scenario, I do not count on or expect to be able to re-fuel my vehicle through retail. Lilly pad number 3 is hundreds of miles from my home and lilly two is in the same geographical location so each (1 & 2) may be comprimised after an event. If you would like to discuss this further we can, because I am here to help.
when are you going to be on Doomsday Preppers....? I'll be sure to tune in...
and PS - polaris' point of having to stop while fueling kind defeats your purpose. In fact, lugging al lthat fuel probably cuts down on your mpg anyways. But then again, who knows, maybe you have one of those low flying refueler aircraft that fills you while you're moving for more convenience?
Not at all, polaris does not make a relevant point with regard to my reserves. Completely misses it still actualy. Again, many of you are looking at it from your own lense. My fuel reserves only go with me in an emergency/"event". In such a scenario, I do not count on or expect to be able to re-fuel my vehicle through retail. Lilly pad number 3 is hundreds of miles from my home and lilly two is in the same geographical location so each (1 & 2) may be comprimised after an event. If you would like to discuss this further we can, because I am here to help.
it was mostly a joke. see the:
Obviously, no one here knows your needs/demands. Whatever floats your boat of necessity.
perverted logic ???symbolic of the excess that plagues our western culture ....I have to disagree with you..but there is no point in debating over it you must be a sierra club member and would never see or understand anybody elses ideas or views on this subject.
Godfather.
... yes, i'm a treehugger ... come get some! ... haha
tell me what reason is there to own an SUV? ... besides the ones I gave which most people who own SUV's don't do ...
get some what ? and I have owned 3 SUV's and I have driven trucks all my life just about, try taking a load to the dump in your Vibe..I don't know about Canada but in San Diego it cost just as much for a car as it does a pick up, try hauling a Harley in the trunk of your Vibe of try taking 5 or 6 BMX Racers to a race in your Vibe..
the reasons for owning a P/U or a SUV are endless but the most important one is....are you ready ? ...because I fucking can and that otta be good enough for anybody who feels they need to know..
Godfather.
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Sure, there always are. That is not my objective though and I exersice my right to do it how i like. For someone to look at my lifestyle and get all bent because I burn more gas than them that's cool but I think it's foolish.
I, for one, am not too bent about this, but rather thankful that I considered all the options and put myself in a place where I cant complain about gas prices, as you did a few pages back.
To each their own.
I only get bent when I consider what would happen if everyone drove these monsters (as Brianlux points out). Actually, its nearly everyone in south florida driving these huge SUVs. And most dont need them. it is a symbol of excess in my area, no doubt. But that really has nothing to do with you.
Exactly. I live in the Sierra foothills in an area basically in the 1800 to 2200 ft elevation range. Over half the vehicles you see around here are monster trucks and SUV's that people drive because they "don't want to get stuck in the snow or mud". We get a day or two of snow here and the vast majority of our roads are paved. And most times I see people driving these things they are alone and carry no loads. It's total bullshit.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
if everyone toured as much as pearl jam could you imaging the amount of gas burnt?
This line of reasoning is not how I roll. I don't feel bad for my lifestyle and I surely am not going to curb it because everyone else can't do it too.
get some what ? and I have owned 3 SUV's and I have driven trucks all my life just about, try taking a load to the dump in your Vibe..I don't know about Canada but in San Diego it cost just as much for a car as it does a pick up, try hauling a Harley in the trunk of your Vibe of try taking 5 or 6 BMX Racers to a race in your Vibe..
the reasons for owning a P/U or a SUV are endless but the most important one is....are you ready ? ...because I fucking can and that otta be good enough for anybody who feels they need to know..
The are not any bigger then mini-vans (of which I'm a big fan), pickups, etc. Choosing a smaller car is choosing to succumb to a known safety hazard of their limited visibility. :geek:
Cost of gas is the main impractical part of owning a SUV.
cost of gas if money is all you care about ... by burning more gas it means more pollution and ghg into the air ...
safety ratings for SUVs are not that good either
Man, I have a Silverado right now so I can only dream of the fuel efficiency from my old SUV. I would love to have a Mini Cooper Sport for a second car, but that would be excess.
And I'm not to worried about burning a few extra gallons of gas as I try to make my environmental impact on a large scale beyond what I'm personally capable of.
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if everyone toured as much as pearl jam could you imaging the amount of gas burnt?
This line of reasoning is not how I roll. I don't feel bad for my lifestyle and I surely am not going to curb it because everyone else can't do it too.
If every one toured there'd just be too much bad music out there.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
perverted logic ???symbolic of the excess that plagues our western culture ....I have to disagree with you..but there is no point in debating over it you must be a sierra club member and would never see or understand anybody elses ideas or views on this subject.
Godfather.
... yes, i'm a treehugger ... come get some! ... haha
tell me what reason is there to own an SUV? ... besides the ones I gave which most people who own SUV's don't do ...
get some what ? and I have owned 3 SUV's and I have driven trucks all my life just about, try taking a load to the dump in your Vibe..I don't know about Canada but in San Diego it cost just as much for a car as it does a pick up, try hauling a Harley in the trunk of your Vibe of try taking 5 or 6 BMX Racers to a race in your Vibe..
the reasons for owning a P/U or a SUV are endless but the most important one is....are you ready ? ...because I fucking can and that otta be good enough for anybody who feels they need to know..
Godfather.
yikes...why so testy Gfather...
can you explain to me the need to haul a Harley...? serious question...can't you just ride the thing...?
not sure about he BMX racers, aren't they just little bikes..I'm sure a P Vibe with a trailer hitch (and trailer) can tow some kids bikes....
as for the dump...I just toss that shit in the neighbor's yard...
Not at all, polaris does not make a relevant point with regard to my reserves. Completely misses it still actualy. Again, many of you are looking at it from your own lense. My fuel reserves only go with me in an emergency/"event". In such a scenario, I do not count on or expect to be able to re-fuel my vehicle through retail. Lilly pad number 3 is hundreds of miles from my home and lilly two is in the same geographical location so each (1 & 2) may be comprimised after an event. If you would like to discuss this further we can, because I am here to help.
please help us as you say you want to ...
what's your point when you ask if we can carry stuff you put on your roof in our car? ... what's your point when you choose to carry all your gas requirements when others don't? ... what's your point?
if everyone toured as much as pearl jam could you imaging the amount of gas burnt?
This line of reasoning is not how I roll. I don't feel bad for my lifestyle and I surely am not going to curb it because everyone else can't do it too.
Pearl Jam plants trees and buys carbon offsets. Bad example unless you're doing the same for your energy usage.
inmytree; ha ha noo not testy at all just having a good laugh..knock on wood..I have never had to put my bikes in a truck yet..but I have helped friends and even bought a few basket case bikes and let me tell ya brother a full basket case will not fit in a vibe
Holy Christ people. The problem isn't driving an suv, it's what you fuel it with so stop complaining for or against suv's already. This thread was about the president and oil Prices not suv's! There's a real conversation to be had here
Holy Christ people. The problem isn't driving an suv, it's what you fuel it with so stop complaining for or against suv's already. This thread was about the president and oil Prices not suv's! There's a real conversation to be had here
Holy Christ people. The problem isn't driving an suv, it's what you fuel it with so stop complaining for or against suv's already. This thread was about the president and oil Prices not suv's! There's a real conversation to be had here
thanks, Grandma...
what is it you'd like to say...?
I thought it was clear...driving SUVs, sedans, trucks, spaceships, boats...it doesn't matter, oil production is at its peak and people are arguing who's car wastes more gas; I was lookin to stay on topic but I guess grandma got tired of hearing the kids making all that damon noise
The are not any bigger then mini-vans (of which I'm a big fan), pickups, etc. Choosing a smaller car is choosing to succumb to a known safety hazard of their limited visibility. :geek:
Cost of gas is the main impractical part of owning a SUV.
cost of gas if money is all you care about ... by burning more gas it means more pollution and ghg into the air ...
safety ratings for SUVs are not that good either
Man, I have a Silverado right now so I can only dream of the fuel efficiency from my old SUV. I would love to have a Mini Cooper Sport for a second car, but that would be excess.
And I'm not to worried about burning a few extra gallons of gas as I try to make my environmental impact on a large scale beyond what I'm personally capable of.
About 10,000 people die each year in roll over crashes, so you folks in your giant tanks be careful, please.
I have a mini cooper S, I highly recommend it! (dump the Silverado!)
the reasons for owning a P/U or a SUV are endless but the most important one is....are you ready ? ...because I fucking can and that otta be good enough for anybody who feels they need to know..
Godfather.
That's a sad statement on the American culture of entitlement: "suck it up, burn it, buy it, dump it, spill it, toss it--why? because I can!"
brianlux
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Earlier today in this thread I made a comment about over half the vehicles in my area being trucks and SUV's. Later, while out on business I got to thinking that maybe I spoke to soon so I did a quick survey. On a one of the major roads I was on in our county I counted the first 100 vehicle to pass me. Not counting service or utility trucks I counted 62 pickup trucks/SUV's and 38 passenger cars (and not a single Prius). As far as I could see, all of the trucks and SUV's were being driven by sole occupants and none had visible loads in them.
Another interesting point: A few months ago I went out to purchase some additional shelving that I needed for my book business. A friend offered to let me take her humongous Toyota 4-Runner. With the passenger seat set as far forward as possible, I measured the the longest inside dimension of the 4-Runner capable of carrying the to-be-assembled boxed shelves and then did the same with my Prius. The Prius won out and at 45 MPG I saves much fuel using it instead of the 18 MPG 4-Runner. Also, with the back seats down I've carried as many as 22 banker-boxes full of books on hilly roads and even with that big a load still averaged over 40 MPG.
And as I've said previously elsewhere, my Prius is not a snob vehicle. Over the lifetime of this vehicle the savings in gas will not only pay for the entire vehicle, it will put money in my pocket. This is true- I've done the math a couple of times.
Tell me again why I need an SUV?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
My local organic produce grower needs his truck. A friend who does large major book fairs needs his van. But most of the wide range of people I know in this area do not need trucks or SUV's. So why did I come up with 62 trucks/SUV's to 32 passenger cars?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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That may be your right but is it responsible? What if (and I correct my figure from above) all 7,000,262,376 people on earth consumed at that rate? What kind of "lifestyle" would that create?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Bingo! :thumbup:
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not at all, polaris does not make a relevant point with regard to my reserves. Completely misses it still actualy. Again, many of you are looking at it from your own lense. My fuel reserves only go with me in an emergency/"event". In such a scenario, I do not count on or expect to be able to re-fuel my vehicle through retail. Lilly pad number 3 is hundreds of miles from my home and lilly two is in the same geographical location so each (1 & 2) may be comprimised after an event. If you would like to discuss this further we can, because I am here to help.
I, for one, am not too bent about this, but rather thankful that I considered all the options and put myself in a place where I cant complain about gas prices, as you did a few pages back.
To each their own.
I only get bent when I consider what would happen if everyone drove these monsters (as Brianlux points out). Actually, its nearly everyone in south florida driving these huge SUVs. And most dont need them. it is a symbol of excess in my area, no doubt. But that really has nothing to do with you.
when are you going to be on Doomsday Preppers....? I'll be sure to tune in...
it was mostly a joke. see the:
Obviously, no one here knows your needs/demands. Whatever floats your boat of necessity.
the reasons for owning a P/U or a SUV are endless but the most important one is....are you ready ? ...because I fucking can
Godfather.
Exactly. I live in the Sierra foothills in an area basically in the 1800 to 2200 ft elevation range. Over half the vehicles you see around here are monster trucks and SUV's that people drive because they "don't want to get stuck in the snow or mud". We get a day or two of snow here and the vast majority of our roads are paved. And most times I see people driving these things they are alone and carry no loads. It's total bullshit.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
This line of reasoning is not how I roll. I don't feel bad for my lifestyle and I surely am not going to curb it because everyone else can't do it too.
haha ... thanks for proving my point!
And I'm not to worried about burning a few extra gallons of gas as I try to make my environmental impact on a large scale beyond what I'm personally capable of.
If every one toured there'd just be too much bad music out there.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
yikes...why so testy Gfather...
can you explain to me the need to haul a Harley...? serious question...can't you just ride the thing...?
not sure about he BMX racers, aren't they just little bikes..I'm sure a P Vibe with a trailer hitch (and trailer) can tow some kids bikes....
as for the dump...I just toss that shit in the neighbor's yard...
please help us as you say you want to ...
what's your point when you ask if we can carry stuff you put on your roof in our car? ... what's your point when you choose to carry all your gas requirements when others don't? ... what's your point?
Obama says that it's the Republicans fault....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
Way to think it through BO
saw this little cutie over the weekend. looks like you could play ping pong on top.
Woot
Pearl Jam plants trees and buys carbon offsets. Bad example unless you're doing the same for your energy usage.
Godfather.
thanks, Grandma...
what is it you'd like to say...?
I thought it was clear...driving SUVs, sedans, trucks, spaceships, boats...it doesn't matter, oil production is at its peak and people are arguing who's car wastes more gas; I was lookin to stay on topic but I guess grandma got tired of hearing the kids making all that damon noise
About 10,000 people die each year in roll over crashes, so you folks in your giant tanks be careful, please.
I have a mini cooper S, I highly recommend it! (dump the Silverado!)
That's a sad statement on the American culture of entitlement: "suck it up, burn it, buy it, dump it, spill it, toss it--why? because I can!"
which brings us back to ...
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=185267&start=30#p4302377
You just mobius'd the thread.
Another interesting point: A few months ago I went out to purchase some additional shelving that I needed for my book business. A friend offered to let me take her humongous Toyota 4-Runner. With the passenger seat set as far forward as possible, I measured the the longest inside dimension of the 4-Runner capable of carrying the to-be-assembled boxed shelves and then did the same with my Prius. The Prius won out and at 45 MPG I saves much fuel using it instead of the 18 MPG 4-Runner. Also, with the back seats down I've carried as many as 22 banker-boxes full of books on hilly roads and even with that big a load still averaged over 40 MPG.
And as I've said previously elsewhere, my Prius is not a snob vehicle. Over the lifetime of this vehicle the savings in gas will not only pay for the entire vehicle, it will put money in my pocket. This is true- I've done the math a couple of times.
Tell me again why I need an SUV?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
clearly your lifestyle does not require it.
Good call- no one. But I think you get my point.
My local organic produce grower needs his truck. A friend who does large major book fairs needs his van. But most of the wide range of people I know in this area do not need trucks or SUV's. So why did I come up with 62 trucks/SUV's to 32 passenger cars?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"