Please bring back RATIONALISM into our lives!!!

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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Why is it that if you don't believe, or even if you just don't believe that religion has a place in politics that you feel like you have to cut down believers and people of faith by saying they don't think? Such bullshit.

    I've met a lot of smart religious people and plenty of dumbass non-believers.

    great post, i think the reason is that it easy to insult other people views than to accept others.

    this happens on both sides. religion is a tool that people use. for some it makes them happy and thats ok. we all use tools to make us happy.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Rationalism, critical thinking and skepticism seem to be viewed as too much trouble, too much "wear and tear on brain tissues" as Edward Abbey once mused. It's so much easier to rely on myth or to not think at all. This is a troubling characteristic of our time.

    We wouldn't want to hurt our brains by actually thinking, Brian! :lol:


    The ol' "I'm too smart to need God."

    Seen a lot of these people start strugglin when the test results come back malignant...
    I feel so bad for them. None of them make jokes like Jeanwah's. None of them are cool anymore...
    They're just scared.... and they die so scared....


    Think its funny that B-lux calls faith in religion "a troubling characteristic of our times".
    Only been going on for about 200,000 years in one form or another.

    ;)

    Yes, civilizations have been trying for 200,000 years to explain that which cannot be explained. So, they make up stories/myths/fantasies.

    I will never put any faith into something that relies on which part of the planet Earth I was born on, or the family I was born into.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Why is it that if you don't believe, or even if you just don't believe that religion has a place in politics that you feel like you have to cut down believers and people of faith by saying they don't think? Such bullshit.

    I've met a lot of smart religious people and plenty of dumbass non-believers.

    Because religion - on a national, global scale - is a hindrance to progress.
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    cincybearcat wrote:

    I am considering it.

    Though I'm also considering voting for Mitt in an effort to move the republican party, if ever so slightly, away from where they are. I really wish Jon Hunstman had a chance in hell.

    No one I agree with even close to 100% so I'm really just not sure.

    You are probably closer to Obama than you realise
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    satansbed wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    I am considering it.

    Though I'm also considering voting for Mitt in an effort to move the republican party, if ever so slightly, away from where they are. I really wish Jon Hunstman had a chance in hell.

    No one I agree with even close to 100% so I'm really just not sure.

    You are probably closer to Obama than you realise

    Yes he is. Obama is basically a middle of the road republican.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,369
    satansbed wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    I am considering it.

    Though I'm also considering voting for Mitt in an effort to move the republican party, if ever so slightly, away from where they are. I really wish Jon Hunstman had a chance in hell.

    No one I agree with even close to 100% so I'm really just not sure.

    You are probably closer to Obama than you realise
    Or Obama is closer to being a Republican then you realize. :lol:
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    satansbed wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    I am considering it.

    Though I'm also considering voting for Mitt in an effort to move the republican party, if ever so slightly, away from where they are. I really wish Jon Hunstman had a chance in hell.

    No one I agree with even close to 100% so I'm really just not sure.

    You are probably closer to Obama than you realise

    I voted for him last time. I'm not impressed.
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  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    Jason P wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    I am considering it.

    Though I'm also considering voting for Mitt in an effort to move the republican party, if ever so slightly, away from where they are. I really wish Jon Hunstman had a chance in hell.

    No one I agree with even close to 100% so I'm really just not sure.

    You are probably closer to Obama than you realise
    Or Obama is closer to being a Republican then you realize. :lol:

    My natural home would be a middle of the road republican, like huntsman, but Obama is as good
  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    Faith and dogma may be a valid part of the human experience for many or most of us, but it should never be mistaken for, or compete with, logic, reasoning, deduction, etc. It hurts my brain that this is even a discussion. I respect the fact that people feel powerful things in their heart of hearts, but in no way, shape, or form is that acceptable evidence of anything external to those feelings.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    markin ball wrote:
    Faith and dogma may be a valid part of the human experience for many or most of us, but it should never be mistaken for, or compete with, logic, reasoning, deduction, etc. It hurts my brain that this is even a discussion. I respect the fact that people feel powerful things in their heart of hearts, but in no way, shape, or form is that acceptable evidence of anything external to those feelings.
    I'm glad you have it all figured out ;)


    Godfather.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Rationalism, critical thinking and skepticism seem to be viewed as too much trouble, too much "wear and tear on brain tissues" as Edward Abbey once mused. It's so much easier to rely on myth or to not think at all. This is a troubling characteristic of our time.

    We wouldn't want to hurt our brains by actually thinking, Brian! :lol:


    The ol' "I'm too smart to need God."

    Seen a lot of these people start strugglin when the test results come back malignant...
    I feel so bad for them. None of them make jokes like Jeanwah's. None of them are cool anymore...
    They're just scared.... and they die so scared....


    Think its funny that B-lux calls faith in religion "a troubling characteristic of our times".
    Only been going on for about 200,000 years in one form or another.

    ;)

    To rely only on belief; to behold your entire existence and fate of your entire life to your faith... it's just not an intelligent way to live. (it's actually quite lazy) Balance is crucial to living a full life and that means balancing faith with reasoning, personal responsibility and critical thinking.
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    Godfather. wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    Faith and dogma may be a valid part of the human experience for many or most of us, but it should never be mistaken for, or compete with, logic, reasoning, deduction, etc. It hurts my brain that this is even a discussion. I respect the fact that people feel powerful things in their heart of hearts, but in no way, shape, or form is that acceptable evidence of anything external to those feelings.
    I'm glad you have it all figured out ;)


    Godfather.


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,739
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Rationalism, critical thinking and skepticism seem to be viewed as too much trouble, too much "wear and tear on brain tissues" as Edward Abbey once mused. It's so much easier to rely on myth or to not think at all. This is a troubling characteristic of our time.

    We wouldn't want to hurt our brains by actually thinking, Brian! :lol:


    The ol' "I'm too smart to need God."

    Seen a lot of these people start strugglin when the test results come back malignant...
    I feel so bad for them. None of them make jokes like Jeanwah's. None of them are cool anymore...
    They're just scared.... and they die so scared....


    Think its funny that B-lux calls faith in religion "a troubling characteristic of our times".
    Only been going on for about 200,000 years in one form or another.

    ;)
    Start struggling? Scared? Friend, everyday is a struggle for me and "malignant" is just a protracted word for the end result of life of which I have come extremely close to on more than one occasion. (And, no, I won't bore you with the details- that's irrelevant.) I'm sure near death experience, addiction, psychological struggles and terminal illness are all valid reasons for seeking something that gives one solace and I don't pass judgement on those who go that route- it's just not my thing. But what I'm referring to is the fact that more people rely on religion (which is a form of myth) more so than rational thinking. And I think making a joke about that is just as good a reaction as throwing one's hand's up in the air and I do that as well depending on my mood... or how badly my shoulder hurts. Today I'd rather make jokes. :D
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MayDay Malone wrote:

    The ol' "I'm too smart to need God."

    Seen a lot of these people start strugglin when the test results come back malignant...
    I feel so bad for them. None of them make jokes like Jeanwah's. None of them are cool anymore...
    They're just scared.... and they die so scared....


    Think its funny that B-lux calls faith in religion "a troubling characteristic of our times".
    Only been going on for about 200,000 years in one form or another.

    ;)


    i will embrace the end of my life with open arms. in fact i will welcome it and rejoice that finally this life that i never asked for, but am eternally grateful for is coming to its close. i shall not be scared... why should i be. i shall not turn to the heavens and ask why.. nor shall i seek comfort and solace there. i shall look at my life and see things i couldve done better but did to my best at the time. i shall look at those that are close to me and know i am where i ought to be. we will support each other on this final journey and i will die taking my last breath as a smile with all the love given to me and that i have given calming my soul.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Godfather. wrote:
    I would not want your baggage when the truth in death comes to us, that's a risky gamble my friend.


    Godfather.

    and this says it all. you don't believe in god because he speaks to you or of some "pandorish truth" you know, it is out of nothing more than FEAR that you have either acquired or have been taught at some point in your life.

    all you are doing with your beliefs is rolling the dice. "if I believe and god exists, I'm good. if I believe, and he doesn't exist, oh well, no harm done. just covering all my bases".
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,739
    catefrances wrote:


    i will embrace the end of my life with open arms. in fact i will welcome it and rejoice that finally this life that i never asked for, but am eternally grateful for is coming to its close. i shall not be scared... why should i be. i shall not turn to the heavens and ask why.. nor shall i seek comfort and solace there. i shall look at my life and see things i couldve done better but did to my best at the time. i shall look at those that are close to me and know i am where i ought to be. we will support each other on this final journey and i will die taking my last breath as a smile with all the love given to me and that i have given calming my soul.

    Catefrancis, I think this is one of the finest benedictions to life I have ever read.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I would not want your baggage when the truth in death comes to us, that's a risky gamble my friend.


    Godfather.

    and this says it all. you don't believe in god because he speaks to you or of some "pandorish truth" you know, it is out of nothing more than FEAR that you have either acquired or have been taught at some point in your life.

    all you are doing with your beliefs is rolling the dice. "if I believe and god exists, I'm good. if I believe, and he doesn't exist, oh well, no harm done. just covering all my bases".
    you forgot the "a" ;)

    you should have wrote panborish :lol: Would better describe just how you feel about the subject

    why can others not have their own truth? why must you fight that?

    I think that shows fear in my opinion
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    dead people making lightbulbs explode. sweet fancy moses.
    you know nothing to speak on the subject but that does not surprise me

    are you heartless too?

    I sat in the dark with her two stunned children ... both in their early thirties
    both losing their mother decades before they should
    both grieving a horrible loss broken by my sisters struggle to live
    and the finality of seeing her in her coffin just moments before.

    and my nieces tiny voice whispered ..." that's my Mom" ...
    we all knew it was but for someone like you, a closed mind that can not open,
    you refuse to consider and you must be hurtful on top of it and make fun of others...
    that is low.

    It seems to me if an ancestor appeared to you with a loving,
    necessary, healing message just for you
    you would disregard dismiss and learn absolutely nothing from the encounter
    that is sad

    keep your options open for spiritual growth in this lifetime
    you have no idea what is ahead for you on your path
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I would not want your baggage when the truth in death comes to us, that's a risky gamble my friend.


    Godfather.

    and this says it all. you don't believe in god because he speaks to you or of some "pandorish truth" you know, it is out of nothing more than FEAR that you have either acquired or have been taught at some point in your life.

    all you are doing with your beliefs is rolling the dice. "if I believe and god exists, I'm good. if I believe, and he doesn't exist, oh well, no harm done. just covering all my bases".

    :shock: you just don't get it do you ? I'm not trying to sell you or anybody else on the forum anything I'm just standing up for my beliefs and God because a lot of you just can't wait to tell us all how much you do not belive and why.. you don't believe in God and thats fine with me but I'm really tired of the crap you guys sling every time Gods name is mentioned, with all you guys self sidcribed knoledge you say you have I am supreized that you don't understand kindness for others beliefs and views..

    Godfather.
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