Please bring back RATIONALISM into our lives!!!
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brianlux wrote:MayDay Malone wrote:Jeanwah wrote:We wouldn't want to hurt our brains by actually thinking, Brian!
The ol' "I'm too smart to need God."
Seen a lot of these people start strugglin when the test results come back malignant...
I feel so bad for them. None of them make jokes like Jeanwah's. None of them are cool anymore...
They're just scared.... and they die so scared....
Think its funny that B-lux calls faith in religion "a troubling characteristic of our times".
Only been going on for about 200,000 years in one form or another.
not a compassionate person,
no the person doing that would be someone who thinks they are much
better, smarter, richer, prettier, on and on .... than the brunt of the joke.
I'd rather be the 'brunt' any day than be the one insulting0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:Jeanwah wrote:brianlux wrote:Rationalism, critical thinking and skepticism seem to be viewed as too much trouble, too much "wear and tear on brain tissues" as Edward Abbey once mused. It's so much easier to rely on myth or to not think at all. This is a troubling characteristic of our time.
We wouldn't want to hurt our brains by actually thinking, Brian!
The ol' "I'm too smart to need God."
Seen a lot of these people start strugglin when the test results come back malignant...
I feel so bad for them. None of them make jokes like Jeanwah's. None of them are cool anymore...
They're just scared.... and they die so scared....
Think its funny that B-lux calls faith in religion "a troubling characteristic of our times".
Only been going on for about 200,000 years in one form or another.
Just to point out, I've been at the edge between life and death before and the doctors managed to save me. MANY people said later that God saved me. Some said that God didn't want me yet. Non-believers said I was just plain lucky. So, tell me... who's right? I'll tell you who's right and that's the doctors who ended up saving me. That's concrete evidence. Not to say that God had nothing to do with it, but if the doctors didn't pull through, there would have been no doubt that they would have done what they could. Belief or no belief.
And in coming to terms with my mortality, I'm certainly not afraid of death. I believe in a God, but that has nothing to do with having fear or having no fear. Tell your fear idea to half my family of hard-core believers who are so afraid of death that they made excuses to not come see me in my traumatic state... because they couldn't deal with it.0 -
So you're on a jury where someone is on trial for murder. And the witness for the prosecution says they found this book, which has been heavily edited throughout the years no less, which says that the defendant is guilty. And this book finding witness feels a truth in this book so deeply that it cannot be denied. In fact there are many people that feel this book to be true, however there is nothing else besides conjecture that points towards the guilt of the defendant.
So many of us would have no problem finding the defendant to be guilty? Of course not, the vast majority of us are not insane and are capable of applying basic logic to the majority of things in our lives. We just want you to do the same with your religious beliefs, especially when it involves making decisions about polices that affect all of us."First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
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It appears that I have offended a few of you here and I'll take the rap- my bad as they say- and assume it is because I didn't take enough time to state my thoughts clearly. SO let me clarify:
First of all, if I make a joke about death the joke is most often on me because I've danced with that black shrouded Reaper a surprising number of times and I'm still alive (a little hint as to how I became such a big Pearl Jam fan), always meant to be generalized (because I don't think there is any subject that can't be joked about) and never meant to be aimed at anyone specifically. If any of you really think I'm that cruel then I have utterly failed to make myself understood and I'm sorry for that.
Oh, and here's another thing- my high school sophomore English teacher came in to class one day and asked we had noticed that one of our students was missing. That student was a tall gorgeous Egyptian looking young lady who always wore fashionable dress boots that went up to her knees. Our teacher also asked us if we'd noticed that she always wore those boots. Well, it turns out that she wore them because she had cancer in her leg and it turns out that she was absent because she had recently died from that cancer. Every single one of us in that room was in tears. I'm in tears as I write this. And I'll tell you something else amazing- that teacher went up to the black board and wrote this: "Death is the ultimate joke." Those were the most fucking amazing, brilliant, mind blowing words I had ever read. The woman was brilliant, compassionate and wise. So please, don't tell me I can't joke about death.
Secondly, a few people here have suggested that I think I'm smarter than anyone else or too smart for God. Well that's just hilarious. I've just been around the black a few more times. If I were any dumber, I'd be dead. I mean, really, how fucking stupid do I have to be to nearly get myself killed so many times? Case closed.
Thirdly, I'm sorry if some you believe I've offended you regarding your belief in God or god or gawd. MY personal belief is that God is Mystery and I'm fine with that. I believe religion interesting mythology at best and terribly harmful at its worst so I mostly don't go near it. I also believe heroin is harmful so I don't go near that either but if you want to shoot up that is your God given right and I'd be the last one to deny you that action. I might suggest that there are other safer ways to feel good just as I might suggest that there are ways other than dogmatic religion to experience the sublime but I'm not going to deny you your beliefs or criticize you for them. What I won't stand for, however, is you telling me I should believe this or that or the other thing.
Especially the other thing!
OK, can we laugh now and go back to being friends? Please!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
pandora wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:dead people making lightbulbs explode. sweet fancy moses.
are you heartless too?
I sat in the dark with her two stunned children ... both in their early thirties
both losing their mother decades before they should
both grieving a horrible loss broken by my sisters struggle to live
and the finality of seeing her in her coffin just moments before.
and my nieces tiny voice whispered ..." that's my Mom" ...
we all knew it was but for someone like you, a closed mind that can not open,
you refuse to consider and you must be hurtful on top of it and make fun of others...
that is low.
It seems to me if an ancestor appeared to you with a loving,
necessary, healing message just for you
you would disregard dismiss and learn absolutely nothing from the encounter
that is sad
keep your options open for spiritual growth in this lifetime
you have no idea what is ahead for you on your path
am I heartless? who the fuck do you think you are? I wasn't talking about your sister in particular. I was talking about ghosts and spirits in general. I don't believe in them. to me it's hogwash. all of your "friends" are allowed to have their opinions on gay marriage being "disgusting" and the death penalty being "great", but I can't have a fucking opinion on ghosts. Why is that? it's because you can't let yourself agree with anyone who isn't god fearing, that's why.
you talk about wanting me to ignore your posts. and yet you also can't leave mine alone. talk to me when you stop spouting hypocritical bullshit.
you know nothing about me spiritually. one can be quite spiritual without god. I am more spiritual than you have any clue on. I find it sad that you can't be open to that idea. you wave the open minded flag as if you are a clean slate. you are as close minded as anyone you speak of, obviously.
keep attacking people's character, troll. it's only going to get you banned.Gimli 1993
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Godfather. wrote::shock: you just don't get it do you ? I'm not trying to sell you or anybody else on the forum anything I'm just standing up for my beliefs and God because a lot of you just can't wait to tell us all how much you do not belive and why.. you don't believe in God and thats fine with me but I'm really tired of the crap you guys sling every time Gods name is mentioned, with all you guys self sidcribed knoledge you say you have I am supreized that you don't understand kindness for others beliefs and views..
Godfather.
just entering a discussion man. don't get your panties in a bunch. and it's funny that talk about me and others being judgmental.
how about gay marriage, bigot?Gimli 1993
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pandora wrote:you forgot the "a"
you should have wrote panborishWould better describe just how you feel about the subject
why can others not have their own truth? why must you fight that?
I think that shows fear in my opinion
as I have stated TIME AND TIME AGAIN, anyone is free to believe what they want. I do. I don't fault that. I'm just trying to get at the root of why someone believes. My wife and her family, as I've stated, are roman catholics, and I respect them all and their belief systems greatly.
for one, none of them tell me they feel sorry for me for not believing in god. that's lesson #1 for you folks.
I am not fighting anything. just calling em as I see them. anyone is free to refute my speculation. you are free to speak your mind, why is no one else allowed to speak theirs?
I respect your beliefs and your right to them. I just don't respect the shit that comes out of your keyboard.Gimli 1993
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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:pandora wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:dead people making lightbulbs explode. sweet fancy moses.
are you heartless too?
I sat in the dark with her two stunned children ... both in their early thirties
both losing their mother decades before they should
both grieving a horrible loss broken by my sisters struggle to live
and the finality of seeing her in her coffin just moments before.
and my nieces tiny voice whispered ..." that's my Mom" ...
we all knew it was but for someone like you, a closed mind that can not open,
you refuse to consider and you must be hurtful on top of it and make fun of others...
that is low.
It seems to me if an ancestor appeared to you with a loving,
necessary, healing message just for you
you would disregard dismiss and learn absolutely nothing from the encounter
that is sad
keep your options open for spiritual growth in this lifetime
you have no idea what is ahead for you on your path
am I heartless? who the fuck do you think you are? I wasn't talking about your sister in particular. I was talking about ghosts and spirits in general. I don't believe in them. to me it's hogwash. all of your "friends" are allowed to have their opinions on gay marriage being "disgusting" and the death penalty being "great", but I can't have a fucking opinion on ghosts. Why is that? it's because you can't let yourself agree with anyone who isn't god fearing, that's why.
you talk about wanting me to ignore your posts. and yet you also can't leave mine alone. talk to me when you stop spouting hypocritical bullshit.
you know nothing about me spiritually. one can be quite spiritual without god. I am more spiritual than you have any clue on. I find it sad that you can't be open to that idea. you wave the open minded flag as if you are a clean slate. you are as close minded as anyone you speak of, obviously.
keep attacking people's character, troll. it's only going to get you banned.
you did not have to hurtful
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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:pandora wrote:you forgot the "a"
you should have wrote panborishWould better describe just how you feel about the subject
why can others not have their own truth? why must you fight that?
I think that shows fear in my opinion
as I have stated TIME AND TIME AGAIN, anyone is free to believe what they want. I do. I don't fault that. I'm just trying to get at the root of why someone believes. My wife and her family, as I've stated, are roman catholics, and I respect them all and their belief systems greatly.
for one, none of them tell me they feel sorry for me for not believing in god. that's lesson #1 for you folks.
I am not fighting anything. just calling em as I see them. anyone is free to refute my speculation. you are free to speak your mind, why is no one else allowed to speak theirs?
I respect your beliefs and your right to them. I just don't respect the shit that comes out of your keyboard.
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Godfather. wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:Godfather. wrote:I would not want your baggage when the truth in death comes to us, that's a risky gamble my friend.
Godfather.
and this says it all. you don't believe in god because he speaks to you or of some "pandorish truth" you know, it is out of nothing more than FEAR that you have either acquired or have been taught at some point in your life.
all you are doing with your beliefs is rolling the dice. "if I believe and god exists, I'm good. if I believe, and he doesn't exist, oh well, no harm done. just covering all my bases".
:shock: you just don't get it do you ? I'm not trying to sell you or anybody else on the forum anything I'm just standing up for my beliefs and God because a lot of you just can't wait to tell us all how much you do not belive and why.. you don't believe in God and thats fine with me but I'm really tired of the crap you guys sling every time Gods name is mentioned, with all you guys self sidcribed knoledge you say you have I am supreized that you don't understand kindness for others beliefs and views..Godfather.
This. +1.0 -
Godfather. wrote::shock: you just don't get it do you ? I'm not trying to sell you or anybody else on the forum anything I'm just standing up for my beliefs and God because a lot of you just can't wait to tell us all how much you do not belive and why.. you don't believe in God and thats fine with me but I'm really tired of the crap you guys sling every time Gods name is mentioned, with all you guys self sidcribed knoledge you say you have I am supreized that you don't understand kindness for others beliefs and views..
Godfather.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
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hits the nail right on the head.Gimli 1993
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MayDay Malone wrote:Godfather. wrote:with all you guys self sidcribed knoledge you say you have I am supreized that you don't understand kindness for others beliefs and views..Godfather.
This. +1.
I'd agree with this statement if he practiced this himself. all he does is make fun of and state how bad he feels for non-theists. then turns around and gets all sensitive when the shoe's on the other foot. what a joke.Gimli 1993
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brianlux wrote:catefrances wrote:
i will embrace the end of my life with open arms. in fact i will welcome it and rejoice that finally this life that i never asked for, but am eternally grateful for is coming to its close. i shall not be scared... why should i be. i shall not turn to the heavens and ask why.. nor shall i seek comfort and solace there. i shall look at my life and see things i couldve done better but did to my best at the time. i shall look at those that are close to me and know i am where i ought to be. we will support each other on this final journey and i will die taking my last breath as a smile with all the love given to me and that i have given calming my soul.
Catefrancis, I think this is one of the finest benedictions to life I have ever read.
thank you.hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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just for the record, I'm a agnostic theist. Meaning I actually do believe in something, an omnipotent force that underlies and connects everything, but I do not claim to "know."
Basically, where is it writ large that talking monkeys are supposed to be able to answer these sorts of grand questions of the universe?
I think the only HONEST answer is: "I don't know" followed by, but I think it might be this, or that, or the flying spaghetti monster, or what have you.
Religion/god/spirituality/"the omnipotent force that underlies and connects everything" is a TIRED and USELESS argument.
Rationalism, logic, science AND a bit of compassion... that is what we need to understand and fix up this fucked up world.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
pandora wrote:that's not why I feel sorry for you ...
that's all well and good, cause frankly, I don't give a shit why you feel sorry for me. But let me give you some advice:
1) saying you feel sorry for someone is about the meanest and rudest things one can say. it's putting yourself above that person, at the same time as attempting to strike them down.
2)I never said a damn thing about your sister. I never would. all I said was that I don't believe in ghosts or the supernatural. If you don't want people to comment on things you say in an open forum, which you have complained about ad nauseum in the past, then don't say them. I would never say anything on this forum that I didn't want anyone to see and then chastize someone for commenting on a private issue. it's either stupid or baiting.
3) putting one group above another, as you and godfather have always done, is like an octopus telling a cheetah that they are missing out in life by not having 8 arms, when in reality, that cheetah doesn't need 8 arms, nor would he thrive with 8 arms and a giant mushy head on the plains of Africa. it would be a detriment to his life. much as 4 legs of supreme speed would do the octopus no good under water.
so you and your fellow octopi can stop telling us cheetahs that we need 8 arms in life, because we don't. as I would never tell you that I feel bad for you that you have no spots. it just doesn't make any fucking sense.Gimli 1993
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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:pandora wrote:that's not why I feel sorry for you ...
that's all well and good, cause frankly, I don't give a shit why you feel sorry for me. But let me give you some advice:
1) saying you feel sorry for someone is about the meanest and rudest things one can say. it's putting yourself above that person, at the same time as attempting to strike them down.
2)I never said a damn thing about your sister. I never would. all I said was that I don't believe in ghosts or the supernatural. If you don't want people to comment on things you say in an open forum, which you have complained about ad nauseum in the past, then don't say them. I would never say anything on this forum that I didn't want anyone to see and then chastize someone for commenting on a private issue. it's either stupid or baiting.
3) putting one group above another, as you and godfather have always done, is like an octopus telling a cheetah that they are missing out in life by not having 8 arms, when in reality, that cheetah doesn't need 8 arms, nor would he thrive with 8 arms and a giant mushy head on the plains of Africa. it would be a detriment to his life. much as 4 legs of supreme speed would do the octopus no good under water.
so you and your fellow octopi can stop telling us cheetahs that we need 8 arms in life, because we don't. as I would never tell you that I feel bad for you that you have no spots. it just doesn't make any fucking sense.Hugh Freaking Dillon »
dead people making lightbulbs explode. sweet fancy moses.
which was a trollish post because you knew it would be emotionally upsetting
and was directed at me
you could have wrote an intelligent answer about your lack of belief in the
spirit world but you decided to be rash, rude and hurtful...
make fun of belittle an important event in my life
when you do this type of thing own it don't rationalize the ugliness behind it
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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:pandora wrote:that's not why I feel sorry for you ...
that's all well and good, cause frankly, I don't give a shit why you feel sorry for me. But let me give you some advice:
1) saying you feel sorry for someone is about the meanest and rudest things one can say. it's putting yourself above that person, at the same time as attempting to strike them down.
2)I never said a damn thing about your sister. I never would. all I said was that I don't believe in ghosts or the supernatural. If you don't want people to comment on things you say in an open forum, which you have complained about ad nauseum in the past, then don't say them. I would never say anything on this forum that I didn't want anyone to see and then chastize someone for commenting on a private issue. it's either stupid or baiting.
3) putting one group above another, as you and godfather have always done, is like an octopus telling a cheetah that they are missing out in life by not having 8 arms, when in reality, that cheetah doesn't need 8 arms, nor would he thrive with 8 arms and a giant mushy head on the plains of Africa. it would be a detriment to his life. much as 4 legs of supreme speed would do the octopus no good under water.
so you and your fellow octopi can stop telling us cheetahs that we need 8 arms in life, because we don't. as I would never tell you that I feel bad for you that you have no spots. it just doesn't make any fucking sense.
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When one pities another human being
that is not an insult or feeling above the other in any way
it is empathy
we can think of many examples we feel everyday
in this case the anger placed I understand but it is still negative and counterproductive
to the one feeling it ... this I am sorry for0
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