I'm not going to respond to every accusation & comment. For the last time, it was not my intent to come off as patronizing or condescending. I stand by my opinion.
There's always something more important to worry about, but that doesn't make the small shit okay/go away. Yes, have perspective, but don't let shit slide just because something else worse is going on.
If nothing else, venting/complaining about the small problems feels better, because you might actually make a difference. Nothing I'm going to say/do is going to have any impact on the Penn State scandal, for example, but raising a stink about something like 10C mis-handling the pre-sale might actually have effect if enough people do it.
But yes, it's not a huge deal, and at the end of the day people do need to keep that in mind and peace the fuck out.
I'm not going to respond to every accusation & comment. For the last time, it was not my intent to come off as patronizing or condescending. I stand by my opinion.
Matt
Your post wasn't bad and wasn't calling folks out but I guess this is a forum to voice thank you's and complaints, and right now is a time for complaints. The Ten Club is run by adults who can handle it. It is their job just like we have to deal with stuff in our jobs we don't like. We all know that there are worse problems in the world, so I guess my thought is let the complainers complain and get it out of their system. They don't need to be told there are bigger problems, because they know there are and they use Pearl Jam as one outlet not to think about those problems.
Instead, Pearl Jam plays 9 shows at most on a continent in a year so everybody gets stressed out because there aren't enough fan club tickets and each show is going to cost $500 minimum because they have to travel.
I feel that sometimes people need to hear what they are doing wrong so that they take care of the problem. Excusing too much isn't helpful. It's almost like saying you don't think someone can do better and in this case I think they ARE capable of doing better.
It's such a shame that 10CLUB can't communicate with their customers.
They have a the perfect place to do this.
Just look at the way we communicate with each other here on the boards!!!
The Forum is a GREAT place to discuss what's going on...
To bad it's pretty much ignored by 10CLUB!!! :ugeek:
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It's such a shame that 10CLUB can't communicate with their customers.
They have a the perfect place to do this.
Just look at the way we communicate with each other here on the boards!!!
The Forum is a GREAT place to discuss what's going on...
To bad it's pretty much ignored by 10CLUB!!! :ugeek:
Yeah it would help so much just to have some back and forth and I guarantee you that if the 10C was actively posting on here the negativity would drop a lot. People aren't going to go crazy angry when the TC is actively responding and trying to give feedback and take feedback as well.
When the 10C does post in a thread its often done to call out a member who complains about something, which (to me) only makes the communication barrier worse around here.
I will say though that they've always responded well to emails, so that's a different beast... but if they could just address things on here without letting the frustration build it could go a long way. We all know they actively read the board, so they can't say they are unaware of the posts around here.
first of all, something needs to change. the whole ticket situation has been a bit screwy for awhile. that goes without saying. also, i feel like they (the 10C) should try to communicate a bit more with the fans. they clearly need to start from the bottom & fix everything they can along the way back to the top. i agree with a lot of you & i completely understand where you're coming from.
that being said....
these are concert tickets to see Pearl Jam. there are FAR more important things in life. i recall being incredibly frustrated during the Alpine sale. but i finally realized that if i didn't get tickets that the world would keep on spinning.
not trying to preach here...just take a deep breath & be thankful for what you have. this will (somehow) work out. there are more important things out there.
flame away.
Matt
You act like folks on here are really equating this ticket mess to being sick or homeless. They aren't so we don't need patronizing threads like this. This is a ticket mess in a long line of ticket messes. People are going to the PEARL JAM MESSAGE BOARD to discuss their complaints about the ticket mess.
Now, if people were going to the CNN World message board and posting their ticket complaints in a board dominated by war torn countries, unemployment, homelessness, disease, etc... then they would need a posting about getting perspective. But, this is a Pearl Jam message board and so it is completely okay to complain about the ticket mess without having to feel guilty.
Yep, that reply wins the day. THAT's perspective. Good posts everybody.
Probably wasn't the best idea to start this thread. People are angry that yet again Pearl Jam and 10C has failed its members. They don't learn from their mistakes.
Pretty much the reason why people are in 10C is for tickets and 10C can't provide a fully functioning ticket service. So if they can't do that, explain to me the point of being in the 10C?
I can deal with tickets selling out quickly but I can't deal with the half-arsed ticket sale by PJ, that fails every fucking time. It's beyond a joke.
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You act like folks on here are really equating this ticket mess to being sick or homeless. They aren't so we don't need patronizing threads like this. This is a ticket mess in a long line of ticket messes. People are going to the PEARL JAM MESSAGE BOARD to discuss their complaints about the ticket mess.
Now, if people were going to the CNN World message board and posting their ticket complaints in a board dominated by war torn countries, unemployment, homelessness, disease, etc... then they would need a posting about getting perspective. But, this is a Pearl Jam message board and so it is completely okay to complain about the ticket mess without having to feel guilty.
I thought the point of a Pearl Jam message board is to share your perspective on...Pearl Jam.
What are we supposed to do; Talk about cancer all day long? Sorry OP, you ARE being "preachy".
You're probably the kind of guy that thinks it's morally wrong to go to strip clubs when in fact, strip clubs are awesome.
I can't believe the OP. You seem like a great guy Matt but you can't be serious.
It seems that the10club can do no wrong in your eyes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your post doesn't help things at all. You even state flame away, so if you know people are going to be all over you why bother even posting this. This isn't the first time tickets sales have turned into a nightmare and while I agree there are more important things in life you have to understand that people's time is also important. If the Ten Club were any other company or business you have to think that heads would roll. Businesses could not survive operating like this in today's day and age. The only reason 10club operates is because of fans like us who spend our cash on everything PJ.
Matt you gotta stop drinking the 10club Kool-aid. The fact that there has been nothing said from 10club( except a pasted note from crowd surge) and the mods are locking every thread speaks volumes.
If this was the first time this happened than fine everybody could put it into perspective but it's what the fifth or six time ticket sales have gone for a shit.
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I'm not going to respond to every accusation & comment. For the last time, it was not my intent to come off as patronizing or condescending. I stand by my opinion.
Matt
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If nothing else, venting/complaining about the small problems feels better, because you might actually make a difference. Nothing I'm going to say/do is going to have any impact on the Penn State scandal, for example, but raising a stink about something like 10C mis-handling the pre-sale might actually have effect if enough people do it.
But yes, it's not a huge deal, and at the end of the day people do need to keep that in mind and peace the fuck out.
"Though my problems are meaningless,
that dont make them
go away."
Your post wasn't bad and wasn't calling folks out but I guess this is a forum to voice thank you's and complaints, and right now is a time for complaints. The Ten Club is run by adults who can handle it. It is their job just like we have to deal with stuff in our jobs we don't like. We all know that there are worse problems in the world, so I guess my thought is let the complainers complain and get it out of their system. They don't need to be told there are bigger problems, because they know there are and they use Pearl Jam as one outlet not to think about those problems.
Instead, Pearl Jam plays 9 shows at most on a continent in a year so everybody gets stressed out because there aren't enough fan club tickets and each show is going to cost $500 minimum because they have to travel.
They have a the perfect place to do this.
Just look at the way we communicate with each other here on the boards!!!
The Forum is a GREAT place to discuss what's going on...
To bad it's pretty much ignored by 10CLUB!!! :ugeek:
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'00: Columbus: Polaris
'03: Columbus: Germain
'10: Columbus: Nationwide Arena
'11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit
'12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2
'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
'17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
'18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1
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When the 10C does post in a thread its often done to call out a member who complains about something, which (to me) only makes the communication barrier worse around here.
I will say though that they've always responded well to emails, so that's a different beast... but if they could just address things on here without letting the frustration build it could go a long way. We all know they actively read the board, so they can't say they are unaware of the posts around here.
Yep, that reply wins the day. THAT's perspective. Good posts everybody.
Definitely this!!! Its the not knowing whats going on that infuriates... :x
Pretty much the reason why people are in 10C is for tickets and 10C can't provide a fully functioning ticket service. So if they can't do that, explain to me the point of being in the 10C?
I can deal with tickets selling out quickly but I can't deal with the half-arsed ticket sale by PJ, that fails every fucking time. It's beyond a joke.
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2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
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2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
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I thought the point of a Pearl Jam message board is to share your perspective on...Pearl Jam.
What are we supposed to do; Talk about cancer all day long? Sorry OP, you ARE being "preachy".
You're probably the kind of guy that thinks it's morally wrong to go to strip clubs when in fact, strip clubs are awesome.
It seems that the10club can do no wrong in your eyes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your post doesn't help things at all. You even state flame away, so if you know people are going to be all over you why bother even posting this. This isn't the first time tickets sales have turned into a nightmare and while I agree there are more important things in life you have to understand that people's time is also important. If the Ten Club were any other company or business you have to think that heads would roll. Businesses could not survive operating like this in today's day and age. The only reason 10club operates is because of fans like us who spend our cash on everything PJ.
Matt you gotta stop drinking the 10club Kool-aid. The fact that there has been nothing said from 10club( except a pasted note from crowd surge) and the mods are locking every thread speaks volumes.
If this was the first time this happened than fine everybody could put it into perspective but it's what the fifth or six time ticket sales have gone for a shit.
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