Perspective....
first of all, something needs to change. the whole ticket situation has been a bit screwy for awhile. that goes without saying. also, i feel like they (the 10C) should try to communicate a bit more with the fans. they clearly need to start from the bottom & fix everything they can along the way back to the top. i agree with a lot of you & i completely understand where you're coming from.
that being said....
these are concert tickets to see Pearl Jam. there are FAR more important things in life. i recall being incredibly frustrated during the Alpine sale. but i finally realized that if i didn't get tickets that the world would keep on spinning.
not trying to preach here...just take a deep breath & be thankful for what you have. this will (somehow) work out. there are more important things out there.
flame away.
Matt
that being said....
these are concert tickets to see Pearl Jam. there are FAR more important things in life. i recall being incredibly frustrated during the Alpine sale. but i finally realized that if i didn't get tickets that the world would keep on spinning.
not trying to preach here...just take a deep breath & be thankful for what you have. this will (somehow) work out. there are more important things out there.
flame away.
Matt
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I got plenty of perspective
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really? wasnt 03 the last tour you had to send in money orders?
Yup...not sure what was wrong in 03. :?
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not saying that the system isn't broken....it clearly is.
just simply saying that there are far more important things in life to worry about.
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Err not in the Australian legs...
High Above
i'll break the law
if it's illegal to be in love
leave the hatred on the cross
I agree, cept tht getting tickets to see Pearl Jam in Europe was supposed to help alleviate some of my other worries, not add to them
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i'll break the law
if it's illegal to be in love
leave the hatred on the cross
While I've been sat here over the last 6 1/2 hours watching this thing unfold, I noticed time and again that there's beer in my fridge.
Now that's perspective!
Aussie tour in 03 only had 10c tix for the first show in each city, and the 2nd shows weren't so much announced by the promoters (and it was the promoters, not 10c) as a big SURPRISE!
I queued up for that shit overnight. I found out when I got home that the 2nd show had gone on public sale already.
Now, I can always look to the fridge, and there it is... beer.
Really, people need to get over this preaching about "perspective" and "more important things in life" as much as the people who constantly bitch about things on here need to get past their issues.
Some people wasted considerable time and effort, and from the looks of it, this has happened more than once before. As a business, 10c needs to answer their paying customers, that is the bottom line. This isn't bitching about some "limited edition" items, the ability to buy tickets is one of the prime reasons fan clubs exist.
No business gets a pass because somewhere in the world, really terrible things are inevitably occurring right now. So much for "perspective".
Disclaimer: I've only ever bought tickets for Alpine Valley and am not planning to go on any of the European dates. Just saying it like I see it.
Alpine Valley 2011-09-03, 2011-09-04
Yep the classic Second show going on sale before the first show trick...IIRC correctly Melbourne #2 went on sale before Melbourne #1 - or was that 06?
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leave the hatred on the cross
if you would have read my post, you would have seen that i agree that something needs to change. period. this isn't an attempt for me to kiss anyone's ass or "preach." it is a valid statement. i spent a LOT of time trying for Alpine tickets, just like you did...and just like most of us did. i get it. i understand it & i agree.
if you someone can't see that there are more important things in life, then that's good for them. they can complain all they want. maybe i'm in the minority here by seeing that there is more to the big picture in life than seeing a concert or failed business practices.
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I did read your post.
And my point is: yes, there are more important things in life and often, people take time away from other important things to have their time wasted by the repeated flakiness of the ticketing system.
As for AV, I just showed up after work and picked up lawn tickets... took me all of 5 mins. I haven't had a single bad experience with the club, I even got the limited edition blu-ray. I haven't complained once about 10c on here, but I don't like this call for "perspective" every time there is a screw-up as much as I don't like the constant bitching by other people.
Incompetence is incompetence and defending it exhibits a lack of respect for the people whose time was wasted.
Alpine Valley 2011-09-03, 2011-09-04
i'm not disrespecting anyone.
i'll say it again for you....
clearly something needs to change. there are more important things in life.
those were my 2 main points.
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things must change about the tix sales,but this isnt the end of the world..
anyone want to be in the venue,will find the way..
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I know people hate negative posts (and they rarely are helpful), but people aren't going to come on and post "I wasted 4 hours trying for tickets but its fine because I have other things going on."
I mean... its always nice to tell people to lighten up because its not the end of the world, but it is a PJ board for better or worse.
And I don''t even have to mention how condescending these posts are to the people who wasted hours trying for tickets instead of working, being with family, etc...
We will have a beer or 5, and have more to talk about next summer.
Hang in there! (and no I wasnt lucky either, YET!)
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i wasn't trying to be condescending at all. sorry if you took it that way. i went through this with Alpine tickets and truly understand how annoying & frustrating the whole situation is.
if i offended anyone, i'm sorry. i sincerely hope that everyone that wants tickets is able to get them.
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That's exactly what I was trying to get across...
Edit: This is coming from a guy who hasn't wasted any of his time... yet.
Alpine Valley 2011-09-03, 2011-09-04
hopefully - they can sort it out and everyone can get tickets ...
understood. i'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. we don't completely agree, and that's fine. i'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
my intentions are good & i wasn't trying to be condescending at all.
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I didn't doubt your intentions for a second and yes, we can always disagree in a civilized manner.
Alpine Valley 2011-09-03, 2011-09-04
I 100% agree with Matt though... It's 3am here and I still don't have tickets to Stockholm, waiting on the verdict from crowdsurge... I'll wait it out tomorrow and the day after. 10C need to fix this problem, for the future... As Ed said at alpine "it feels like this is a new beginning (for the band)" and 10C should think about that a bit. There's at least 20 more years ahead of us....
and yes there are more important things in life... like learning from mistakes... forgiving... and forgetting... looking forward, and having fun....
Isn't it funny that when you're in the same room with the band and they are playing, you never seem to think about the 4 hours you lost trying to get tickets? meh... just a thought...
I haven't been a 10c member very long, but if we take a candid look at 10c management, it is obvious something needs to change. For every "I'm pissed off!" person there is another "Chill, life goes on" person, and I hate to say it, but every person who tried to buy tickets today should be angry. The 10c is not free. It is a service everyone of us pays money to use... largely to get the advantage of presale tickets ensuring better seats to see what most of us consider our favorite band. The fact that this has been happening on basically every tour the band has done since 2003 is unbelievable to me. This is not a little typo mistake, this is a big f'n blunder to be making for nearly 10 years. People do have lives and can not be expected to wait hours on end to find out when the servers will be running again to try and get tickets that they already paid a price for, just to ensure them a spot in line (membership fees). I couldn't believe how unprepared and ludicrous of a process buying the Alpine tickets was... I really thought it was such a big deal that it would never happen again... wow.
Its nothing personal against Tim, 10C, the band, or anyone, but when you charge people for a service and consistently do not deliver on it, something needs to change. 10C is the only official fan club for this band. We have no other choice if we want to get good spots at shows and to be a part of this community. It is that fact that makes these blunders think they take advantage of the fans. In a way, and I'm sure all the people that took off work to buy tickets and now, won't be getting them, ticket presales are false advertising.
Tim, as the head of 10C, needs to sack up and take accountability for not being able to do his job.
Nicely said...I totally agree....You can't keep on making mistakes and not own up to it..
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I am just noticing that there are a LOT of angry, discouraged, frustrated would-be ticket buyers. People willing and hoping to give their money to the PJ corporation. Many of these people will STILL probably give these financial resources to the band if they are given the opportunity to go to a concert. However, there probably will be less people giving their money if this problem is not solved this time.
Some people left after the Alpine problem.
Some people will leave after this problem.
There seems to be this casual attitude that the stampede of people will just keep coming to replace the ones that leave.
If I was running this business, I'd be WORKING HARDER to solve this problem so that I could keep the good fans I have. I wouldn't be throwing them away like this company seems to be.
I don't know if they're just leaving it to Tim (and he doesn't know what else to do) or if they have a group of people working on this issue but whatever they're doing, it doesn't seem they have the best personnel.
As so many people have said before, most people would lose their jobs if they repeatedly failed like this!
You act like folks on here are really equating this ticket mess to being sick or homeless. They aren't so we don't need patronizing threads like this. This is a ticket mess in a long line of ticket messes. People are going to the PEARL JAM MESSAGE BOARD to discuss their complaints about the ticket mess.
Now, if people were going to the CNN World message board and posting their ticket complaints in a board dominated by war torn countries, unemployment, homelessness, disease, etc... then they would need a posting about getting perspective. But, this is a Pearl Jam message board and so it is completely okay to complain about the ticket mess without having to feel guilty.