Two Of The West Memphis 3 To Be Freed

Blockhead wrote:

Its clear you haven't ready anything I have posted. so please quit addressing me.
I have posted about the lie the misskelly was "mentally challanged" and how they had him appear dumber taking his IQ. His score plunged 13 points before trial. Please look at my post (with court supported docuemnts) on page 6 or 7. He did have his fathers consent for his confession. I don't know where you get your info but I have posted the site with documents please take a look at them if you actually care. Quit asking questions or making comments that are in biased documentaries.
Where was damien during the time of the murder since you have all the answers.

I've read most of what you posted. I know Miskelleys 72 IQ test might be misleading. But there's no denying that he wasnt a bright kid.

I only brought up the documentaries about the VIDEO taken of the cops (video taken BY the COPS for that matter -- how the fuck is that biased?? :roll: ), thats it, stop trying to make it look like thats all i've seen, you're making yourself look ignorant.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Please quit citing the PL 1 & 2 movies as proof of anything.

Umm, No, absolutley not. I'll quit citing these when you leave out things that have no bearing on the original trials.
Its not my ONLY source of knowledge to the case btw. You forget that I told you I watched the documentaries with the knowledge that it was biased, but the VIDEO taken of the cops doesnt lie...there is video of the actual crime scene in Paradise Lost. There is video of the cops acting like idiots all over the scene, potentially destroying evidence. This is widely known fact.

Please post link to video.
What evidence was destroyed?
-The bodies were searched for. May 6th
-All items found during that search: shirts, pants, sneakers, shirts, jeans, wallet, etc were searched for and found on May 6th.
-The ditch was sandbagged and photographed/filmed on May 6th. The sandbagging was done to SEARCH FOR EVIDENCE.
-The area was taped off May 6th.

Detective Allen testimony regarding May 6th:

Q: Alright. What was done in the, in that entire wooded area?
A: There were, there were numerous things done. There was a search made, um, I say inch by inch, there was a search.
Q: How was that conducted when you say it was done "inch by inch?" What does that mean?
A: Well, I - it's quite a large area. We took all the detectives out in that area, uh, we started roughly from the interstate, the patch of woods next to the interstate. We walked it shoulder to shoulder, uh about, we walked within hand's distance. We kinda lined up where we were actually touching each other's hands down a row and we walked into the woods. We walked from the, from one side of the woods to the other side and then we got and kinda made a chain down another section hand to hand and we walked back. We basically...
Q: Did you do that for the entire...
A: The entire wooded section.


From Bryn Ridge's testimony regarding May 6th:

FOGLEMAN: Was anything done to secure the scene?

RIDGE: Yes, we started having people, anybody that was there, of course when I got there, there was Mike Allen and Lt. Hester and Inspector Gitchell was there somewhere but I'm not exactly sure where he was. I was focusing on what was going on in the ditch and myself and Mike Allen actually went into the ditch.

FOGLEMAN: Okay well, what did you do to secure the scene at that point?

RIDGE: Uh tape, this crime scene tape was put out, a path was secured coming from outside of the woods into the crime scene so that we could come in in a unique ways in order that if there was evidence there that we had missed then we would not have destroyed that on the original paths.


<snip>

FOGLEMAN: Okay when you say you were searching the bottom of the ditch what do you mean?

RIDGE: Okay. Obviously you can't see into this muddy water, so, the best way to describe it is I actually do it from the water level, I was raking my hands from one bank of the water to where it came out on the other side along the bottom all the way.

<snip>

RIDGE: Yes, I did. I'm the one that actually stayed in that ditch the entire time and from start to finish until all of the bodies were found, to as far as I could go in that ditch and reach the bottom that's the way I searched it.

FOGLEMAN: About how many feet would you say that you went in that manner?

RIDGE: Probably about 45 feet.

<snip>

Ridge:......we were searching for anything that may have been missed during the initial search going through there and we pumped all of the water out. This is a suction hose where we were pumping the water out of the stream.

FOGLEMAN: Alright, let me ask you a question about that one while you've got it. You say you pumped all the water out?

RIDGE: All that we could get out of it.

FOGLEMAN: Alright, and then after you pumped all of the water out what did you do in looking for evidence?

RIDGE: Again we visually searched for everything. We got a metal detector. We searched everything that was there trying to find anything that may have been a piece of evidence
So again, What evidence was destroyed?

I will bet $20 that Mr. Depp has never read the medical records and court transcripts...
Same with Ms. Dixie Chick.....

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Never once in the last 5 years...All the little documentaries I have watched...60 minutes?? 20/20?? Blah Blah Blah....All the little news specials on the West Memphis 3...

Never once did they EVER bring up Damiens mental history...
Never once did they actually bring up the court transcripts...
Never once did they bring up Jesse confessing with a lawyer present....

All they said was "These were 3 kids who listened to heavy metal and dressed different"

Which is nothing but PURE HORSESHIT!!!!!

Anyone who can ignore confession after confession after confession - including a taped statement to his own attorneys in private - simply doesn't WANT to believe Misskelley

I dont have time to go digging up shit, but this is what i've heard many times from one of the boys lawyers:

There has been widespread criticism of how the police handled the crime scene. Misskelley's former attorney Dan Stidham cites multiple substantial police errors at the crime scene, characterizing it as "literally trampled, especially the creek bed. The bodies, he said, had been removed from the water before the coroner arrived to examine the scene and determine the state of rigor mortis, allowing the bodies to decay on the creek bank, and to be exposed to sunlight and insects. The police did not telephone the coroner until almost two hours after the discovery of the floating shoe, resulting in a late appearance by the coroner. Officials failed to drain the creek in a timely manner and secure possible evidence in the water (the creek was sandbagged after the bodies were pulled from the water). Stidham calls the coroner's investigation "extremely substandard." There was a small amount of blood found at the scene that was never tested.

Also:

According to Mara Leveritt, investigative journalist and author of Devil's Knot, "Police records were a mess. To call them disorderly would be putting it mildly." Leveritt speculated that the small local police force was overwhelmed by the crime, which was unlike any they had ever investigated. Police refused an unsolicited offer of aid and consultation from the violent crimes experts of the Arkansas State Police, and critics suggested this was due to the WMPD being investigated by the Arkansas State Police for suspected theft from the Crittenden County drug task force. Leveritt further noted that some of the physical evidence was stored in paper sacks obtained from a supermarket (with the supermarket's name pre-printed on the bags) rather than in containers of known and controlled origin.
Leveritt also mistakenly presumed that the crime scene video was shot minutes after Detectives Mike Allen and Bryn Ridge recovered two of the bodies, when in fact the camera was not available for almost thirty minutes afterward.
When police speculated about the assailant, the juvenile probation officer assisting at the scene of the murders speculated that Echols was "capable" of committing the murders, stating "it looks like Damien Echols finally killed someone."
One expert in the film Paradise Lost 2: Revelations, stated that human bite marks could have been left on at least one of the victims. However, these potential bite marks were first noticed in photographs years after the trials and were not inspected by a board-certified medical examiner until four years after the murders. The defense's expert testified that the mark in question was not an adult bite mark, while experts put on by the State concluded that there was no bite mark at all. The State's experts had examined the actual bodies for any marks and others conducted expert photo analysis of injuries. Upon further examination, it was concluded that if the marks were bite marks, they did not match the teeth of any of the three convicted.

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I will bet $20 that Mr. Depp has never read the medical records and court transcripts...
Same with Ms. Dixie Chick.....

i'm guessing all 3 of the contributors to the website blockhead is sourcing has read it all ... and 2 of the 3 think they are innocent ...

perhaps speedy and blockhead should have tried the case then...because they clearly would have been better state's attorneys.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

perhaps speedy and blockhead should have tried the case then...because they clearly would have been better state's attorneys.

Lets just stick to the discussion and not get personal with one another...Is that possible?
Sound good??
Can ya handle that???

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

perhaps speedy and blockhead should have tried the case then...because they clearly would have been better state's attorneys.

Perhaps you should get out of this thread if your not going to contribute? You said earlier you were not going to go into your "research" and conclusions for why the are not guilty. So why are you still in here?

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I dont have time to go digging up shit, but this is what i've heard many times from one of the boys lawyers:

There has been widespread criticism of how the police handled the crime scene. Misskelley's former attorney Dan Stidham cites multiple substantial police errors at the crime scene, characterizing it as "literally trampled, especially the creek bed. The bodies, he said, had been removed from the water before the coroner arrived to examine the scene and determine the state of rigor mortis, allowing the bodies to decay on the creek bank, and to be exposed to sunlight and insects. The police did not telephone the coroner until almost two hours after the discovery of the floating shoe, resulting in a late appearance by the coroner. Officials failed to drain the creek in a timely manner and secure possible evidence in the water (the creek was sandbagged after the bodies were pulled from the water). Stidham calls the coroner's investigation "extremely substandard." There was a small amount of blood found at the scene that was never tested.

Also:

According to Mara Leveritt, investigative journalist and author of Devil's Knot, "Police records were a mess. To call them disorderly would be putting it mildly." Leveritt speculated that the small local police force was overwhelmed by the crime, which was unlike any they had ever investigated. Police refused an unsolicited offer of aid and consultation from the violent crimes experts of the Arkansas State Police, and critics suggested this was due to the WMPD being investigated by the Arkansas State Police for suspected theft from the Crittenden County drug task force. Leveritt further noted that some of the physical evidence was stored in paper sacks obtained from a supermarket (with the supermarket's name pre-printed on the bags) rather than in containers of known and controlled origin.
Leveritt also mistakenly presumed that the crime scene video was shot minutes after Detectives Mike Allen and Bryn Ridge recovered two of the bodies, when in fact the camera was not available for almost thirty minutes afterward.
When police speculated about the assailant, the juvenile probation officer assisting at the scene of the murders speculated that Echols was "capable" of committing the murders, stating "it looks like Damien Echols finally killed someone."
One expert in the film Paradise Lost 2: Revelations, stated that human bite marks could have been left on at least one of the victims. However, these potential bite marks were first noticed in photographs years after the trials and were not inspected by a board-certified medical examiner until four years after the murders. The defense's expert testified that the mark in question was not an adult bite mark, while experts put on by the State concluded that there was no bite mark at all. The State's experts had examined the actual bodies for any marks and others conducted expert photo analysis of injuries. Upon further examination, it was concluded that if the marks were bite marks, they did not match the teeth of any of the three convicted.

You need to do your research on Stidham, He still says jesse has the mental capacity of a 5 year old.
Also to your second paragraphy, like I said before you need to quit gettting your infor from those documentaries.
For one, according to the ruler, the "bitemark" is just over an inch in circumference. Who's mouth is that little?

Here's the ruling:

Under this claim, the petitioner attempted to establish a "bite mark" on the face of one of the victims and argued that failure to recognize and develop evidence was incompetence on the part of petitioner's counsel Price and Davidson. Evidence is new only if it was not available at trial and could not have been discovered earlier through the exercise of reasonable diligence, Amrine v. Bowersox, 128 F.3d 1222, 1230 (8th Cir. 1997), cert. denied, 118 S.Ct. 1807 (1998).

The "bite marks" were on the victim's face from the initial discovery of the bodies. Furthermore, the evidence is not reliable. The bulk of the testimony at the evidentiary hearing was that no bite mark could be identified to a reasonable degree of medical certainty.

The testimony of Doctors Peretti, Sturner, and Dugan, and that of Val Price and defendant's investigator, Ron Lax, established that there are not identifiable bite marks on the photographs of the bodies. Dr. Harry Mincer testified that the identification of bite marks is not an exact science. Dr. Mincer, president of the American Board of Forensic Odontology and an expert in the field of forensic odontology also concluded that the mark over the eye brow of Steve Branch was not a bite mark within a degree of reasonable medical certainty.

As you can see, even the bulk of the Defense witnesses failed to identify a human bitemark

I just dont underastand why you cant accept that the scene was handled poorly. The entire case was handled poorly. Yes, there are many, many biased opinions on this case, but in the end, the way evidence was handled was a joke and the authorities fucked up continuously.

Again, Echols and Miskelley were VERY fucked up kids. No denying that. But what was used at trail was a sham and did not warrant a guilty verdict. If those copes/detectives had done their job better, maybe, just maybe Echols would still be in jail. I dont know why you keep dismissing that. the Shit job the authorities did to implicate Echols is exactly what set him free. You should be bashing these authorities with equal conviction.