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San Francisco Circumcision Ban To Appear On Ballot
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/1 ... r=Politics
SAN FRANCISCO — A proposal to ban the circumcision of male children in San Francisco has been cleared to appear on the November ballot, setting the stage for the nation's first public vote on what has long been considered a private family matter.
But even in a city with a long-held reputation for pushing boundaries, the measure is drawing heavy fire. Opponents are lining up against it, saying a ban on a religious rite considered sacred by Jews and Muslims is a blatant violation of constitutional rights.
Elections officials confirmed Wednesday the initiative had qualified for the ballot with more than 7,700 valid signatures from city residents. Initiatives must have at least 7,168 names to qualify.
If the measure passes, circumcision would be prohibited among males under the age of 18. The practice would become a misdemeanor offense punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 or up to one year in jail. There would be no religious exemptions.
The proposed ban appears to be the first in the country to make it this far, though a larger national debate over the health benefits of circumcision has been going on for many years. Banning circumcision would almost certainly prompt a flurry of legal challenges alleging violations of the First Amendment's guarantee of the freedom to exercise one's religious beliefs.
Supporters of the ban say male circumcision is a form of genital mutilation that is unnecessary, extremely painful and even dangerous. They say parents should not be able to force the decision on their young child.
"Parents are really guardians, and guardians have to do what's in the best interest of the child. It's his body. It's his choice," said Lloyd Schofield, the measure's lead proponent and a longtime San Francisco resident. He added the cutting away of the foreskin from the penis is a more invasive medical procedure than many new parents or childless individuals realize.
But opponents say such claims are alarmingly misleading, and call the proposal a clear violation of constitutionally protected religious freedoms.
"For a city that's renowned for being progressive and open-minded, to even have to consider such an intolerant proposition ... it sets a dangerous precedent for all cities and states," said Rabbi Gil Yosef Leeds of Berkeley. Leeds is a certified "mohel," the person who traditionally performs ritual circumcisions in the Jewish faith.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/1 ... r=Politics
SAN FRANCISCO — A proposal to ban the circumcision of male children in San Francisco has been cleared to appear on the November ballot, setting the stage for the nation's first public vote on what has long been considered a private family matter.
But even in a city with a long-held reputation for pushing boundaries, the measure is drawing heavy fire. Opponents are lining up against it, saying a ban on a religious rite considered sacred by Jews and Muslims is a blatant violation of constitutional rights.
Elections officials confirmed Wednesday the initiative had qualified for the ballot with more than 7,700 valid signatures from city residents. Initiatives must have at least 7,168 names to qualify.
If the measure passes, circumcision would be prohibited among males under the age of 18. The practice would become a misdemeanor offense punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 or up to one year in jail. There would be no religious exemptions.
The proposed ban appears to be the first in the country to make it this far, though a larger national debate over the health benefits of circumcision has been going on for many years. Banning circumcision would almost certainly prompt a flurry of legal challenges alleging violations of the First Amendment's guarantee of the freedom to exercise one's religious beliefs.
Supporters of the ban say male circumcision is a form of genital mutilation that is unnecessary, extremely painful and even dangerous. They say parents should not be able to force the decision on their young child.
"Parents are really guardians, and guardians have to do what's in the best interest of the child. It's his body. It's his choice," said Lloyd Schofield, the measure's lead proponent and a longtime San Francisco resident. He added the cutting away of the foreskin from the penis is a more invasive medical procedure than many new parents or childless individuals realize.
But opponents say such claims are alarmingly misleading, and call the proposal a clear violation of constitutionally protected religious freedoms.
"For a city that's renowned for being progressive and open-minded, to even have to consider such an intolerant proposition ... it sets a dangerous precedent for all cities and states," said Rabbi Gil Yosef Leeds of Berkeley. Leeds is a certified "mohel," the person who traditionally performs ritual circumcisions in the Jewish faith.
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sounds like a crock of crap to me, if you don't want your child circumsized then don't.
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I don't think this has anything to do with Jews or Muslims. It's just San Francisco continuing its quest to legalize everything that has been banned and ban everything that is legal.
In other words, it just San Francisco being San Francisco.
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i dont understand why the need to lop off a foreskin anyway. if it wasnt meant to be there boys wouldnt be born with it.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:i dont understand why the need to lop off a foreskin anyway. if it wasnt meant to be there boys wouldnt be born with it.
it's a silly tradition born out of ignorance of the times. it's going to fade out in the non Jewish world eventually. most doctors won't even consider it where I live. If I had a boy I wouldn't have. But I have two girls, so the decision evades me.
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satansbed wrote:its much cleaner so i have heard....
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satansbed wrote:its much cleaner so i have heard....
so if youve got a foreskin youre less likely to clean your penis as thoroughly??? hmmm :think:hear my name
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i thought in the jewish faith you don't circumsise?live pearl jam is best pearl jam0
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Haffa, I really don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but it seems that you don't know the first thing about Judaism, literally. Circumcision is one of the most important rites in Judaism. It is performed on the eighth day after a boy's birth, and signifies the inclusion of the child in the covenant between God and Israel (the people of).you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane0
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No, apparently I don't.yosi wrote:Haffa, I really don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but it seems that you don't know the first thing about Judaism, literally. Circumcision is one of the most important rites in Judaism. It is performed on the eighth day after a boy's birth, and signifies the inclusion of the child in the covenant between God and Israel (the people of).
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to add... all i knew about judaism and circumcision was from that episode of Friends...
i'm not well versed in the details of religions
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I guess they are putting male circumcision in the same category as female circumcision - genital mutilation.
Obviously for some it's a religion thing but for a lot it's just 'how it is' (aren't most american males circumcised?). Though why would one do this is beyond me, especially when you understand the function of the foreskin. One important function:
"Boyle et al. state that "the complex innervation of the foreskin and frenulum has been well documented, and the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings—many of which are lost to circumcision, with an inevitable reduction in sexual sensation experienced by circumcised males."[20] The AAP noted that the work of Taylor et al. "suggests that there may be a concentration of specialized sensory cells in specific ridged areas of the foreskin."[21]"0 -
yosi wrote:Haffa, I really don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but it seems that you don't know the first thing about Judaism, literally. Circumcision is one of the most important rites in Judaism. It is performed on the eighth day after a boy's birth, and signifies the inclusion of the child in the covenant between God and Israel (the people of).
Out of curiosity... and I mean this with all due respect... how does lopping a flap of skin off someone's penis signify the inclusion of a child into the covenant between god and Israel? How did that start?And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.0 -
Rediculous. Not that I'm a big fan of either but what next- are they going to try to ban tattoos and piercings? And by the way, I'm not glueing anything back on."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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yosi wrote:Haffa, I really don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but it seems that you don't know the first thing about Judaism, literally. Circumcision is one of the most important rites in Judaism. It is performed on the eighth day after a boy's birth, and signifies the inclusion of the child in the covenant between God and Israel (the people of).
My semite brother, why not just focus on educating the girl, instead of highlighting her lack of knowledge?Post edited by JOEJOEJOE on0 -
All religions have stupid customs.
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The difference is (for argument's sake) if you get a tattoo or piercing, you have a choice in the matter.brianlux wrote:Rediculous. Not that I'm a big fan of either but what next- are they going to try to ban tattoos and piercings? And by the way, I'm not glueing anything back on.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
Good point, keepon rockin, and good call- I hadn't thought of it in those terms an I admit my first post on this subject wasn't well thought out. I'm not saying it's a good thing, I'm just not sure it's something that it will ever be banned. Yet it does seem rather barbaric and I have a difficult time imagining someone coming up with the idea in the first place.keeponrockin wrote:
The difference is (for argument's sake) if you get a tattoo or piercing, you have a choice in the matter.brianlux wrote:Rediculous. Not that I'm a big fan of either but what next- are they going to try to ban tattoos and piercings? And by the way, I'm not glueing anything back on."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Godfather. wrote:sounds like a crock of crap to me, if you don't want your child circumsized then don't.
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Girl OR boy... right?
C'mon.... What the hell... it's the parent's decision!!!0
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