Liberals - Is it ok to redistribute your GPA

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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    _ wrote:
    Gob wrote:
    This is why capitalism is fucked.


    I don't care how hard you are working, if you are making 10x more than the lazy ass, that's still too much. Like a minimal wage there should be a maximum wage. If you are only being successul for the money and not the craft then you don't deserve it and I'm sure we can find better doctors and atheletes and so on who care more about what they do than numbers they make.

    I really don't think any human being is worth more than a few hundred thousand a year to society, or less than a few dozen thousand..


    If you want to work hard, you make twice as much as the guy who doesn't work hard. Not millions more.

    I like the way you think! We need to get rid of the myth of meritocracy in this country. The hard work of really rich people is not possibly proportionate the amount of money they make. It's just not possible for Donald Trump to work a billion times harder than my mom, a teacher. And I would argue that he doesn't contribute more to society at all.

    Excellent point
  • pjfan021
    pjfan021 Posts: 684
    250,000 a year is rich in my book. The example that when you make that much you have other expenses like your kids college is bullshit. Sure your kid won't get govt assistance cause you make enough. Over 4 years you make a million and your kids tuition costs 100-150k? How does that reflect in comparison to the kid who does qualify for some aide and still winds up with 80 grand of bills when they're done?
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pjfan021 wrote:
    250,000 a year is rich in my book. The example that when you make that much you have other expenses like your kids college is bullshit. Sure your kid won't get govt assistance cause you make enough. Over 4 years you make a million and your kids tuition costs 100-150k? How does that reflect in comparison to the kid who does qualify for some aide and still winds up with 80 grand of bills when they're done?
    :thumbup:
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    polaris_x wrote:
    if you have 18 letters in your name ... should you give some to people who have less?
    bahahahahaahahhaha.............





    wait...





    that means me :(
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,217
    posted today....more sobering statistics...check out the video...

    America’s Middle Class Crisis: The Sobering Facts

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ti ... 47274.html

    Two recessions, a couple of market crashes, and stubbornly high unemployment are all wreaking havoc on America's middle class.

    In the accompanying interview, The Daily Ticker's Aaron Task discusses the state of the middle class with Sherle Schwenninger, director of economic growth and American strategy programs at the New America Foundation. Schwenninger's recent report "The American Middle Class Under Stress" has some stunning facts that highlight the struggles the average American is having getting a decent-paying job and keeping up with rising cost of living.
    Here are just some of the sobering facts:

    -- There are 8.5 million people receiving unemployment insurance and over 40 million receiving food stamps.

    -- At the current pace of job creation, the economy won't return to full employment until 2018.

    -- Middle-income jobs are disappearing from the economy. The share of middle-income jobs in the United States has fallen from 52% in 1980 to 42% in 2010.

    -- Middle-income jobs have been replaced by low-income jobs, which now make up 41% of total employment.

    -- 17 million Americans with college degrees are doing jobs that require less than the skill levels associated with a bachelor's degree.

    -- Over the past year, nominal wages grew only 1.7% while all consumer prices, including food and energy, increased by 2.7%.

    -- Wages and salaries have fallen from 60% of personal income in 1980 to 51% in 2010. Government transfers have risen from 11.7% of personal income in 1980 to 18.4% in 2010, a post-war high.

    The bottom line is simple says Schwenninger: The middle class is shrinking, which threatens the social composition and stability of the world's biggest economy. "I worry that we're becoming a barbell society - a lot of money wealth and power at the top, increasing hollowness at the center, which I think provides the stability and the heart and soul of the society... and then too many people in fear of falling down."
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    The lesser, will, and always will, need assistance from the greater. Is it fair? I don't know? Capable people may have more burden and expectations placed upon them but in the end they also probably live better lives. Tough shit, either way. I learned that in elementary school.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    markin ball wrote:
    The lesser, will, and always will, need assistance from the greater. Is it fair? I don't know? Capable people may have more burden and expectations placed upon them but in the end they also probably live better lives. Tough shit, either way. I learned that in elementary school.
    Great, Ill just be a shitty parent, will not teach my kid any sense of responsibiliy and expect everybody that work hard for their families and society to pay for and take care of my children.
    I wish someone would have told me sooner that its people who are responsible to make sure everyone else who chooses not to is taken care of.
    This is what we have charitys for. People should not be forced to take care of anybody.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,217
    Blockhead wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    The lesser, will, and always will, need assistance from the greater. Is it fair? I don't know? Capable people may have more burden and expectations placed upon them but in the end they also probably live better lives. Tough shit, either way. I learned that in elementary school.
    Great, Ill just be a shitty parent, will not teach my kid any sense of responsibiliy and expect everybody that work hard for their families and society to pay for and take care of my children.
    I wish someone would have told me sooner that its people who are responsible to make sure everyone else who chooses not to is taken care of.
    This is what we have charitys for. People should not be forced to take care of anybody.
    so if you are the greater then don't help anybody. why not just worry about your own family? that is clearly what you want to do, and i am sure nobody here will think any less of you for that.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    The lesser, will, and always will, need assistance from the greater. Is it fair? I don't know? Capable people may have more burden and expectations placed upon them but in the end they also probably live better lives. Tough shit, either way. I learned that in elementary school.
    Great, Ill just be a shitty parent, will not teach my kid any sense of responsibiliy and expect everybody that work hard for their families and society to pay for and take care of my children.
    I wish someone would have told me sooner that its people who are responsible to make sure everyone else who chooses not to is taken care of.
    This is what we have charitys for. People should not be forced to take care of anybody.
    so if you are the greater then don't help anybody. why not just worry about your own family? that is clearly what you want to do, and i am sure nobody here will think any less of you for that.
    You clearly don't get it, do you? Why do you view handout s(money) as the only form of Help. Is teaching them responsibilty not help, is holding them accountable for their actions not help.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    The lesser, will, and always will, need assistance from the greater. Is it fair? I don't know? Capable people may have more burden and expectations placed upon them but in the end they also probably live better lives. Tough shit, either way. I learned that in elementary school.
    Great, Ill just be a shitty parent, will not teach my kid any sense of responsibiliy and expect everybody that work hard for their families and society to pay for and take care of my children.
    I wish someone would have told me sooner that its people who are responsible to make sure everyone else who chooses not to is taken care of.
    This is what we have charitys for. People should not be forced to take care of anybody.
    so if you are the greater then don't help anybody. why not just worry about your own family? that is clearly what you want to do, and i am sure nobody here will think any less of you for that.

    Now I'm gonna have to change my name to Nobody! ;)
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    I haven't posted much in this thread because it seemed to go in a different direction. That being said no one really seems to get the point, your all looking at the difference between GPA and wealth, it's about redistribution. It's unfortunate that you do not understand. If redistribution works for something as important as a man's means of feeding himself and his family, we shouldn't have a problem using it in other areas to better our lives. Such as education.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Blockhead wrote:
    I haven't posted much in this thread because it seemed to go in a different direction. That being said no one really seems to get the point, your all looking at the difference between GPA and wealth, it's about redistribution. It's unfortunate that you do not understand. If redistribution works for something as important as a man's means of feeding himself and his family, we shouldn't have a problem using it in other areas to better our lives. Such as education.

    I'm pretty sure everyone understands your point; most of us just don't think it's a good one.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,217
    Blockhead wrote:
    stop telling me i do not get it. i get it perfectly fine. it is a very very bad example you have brought up.

    you can talk to me til you are blue in the face and you will never get me to agree with your viewpoints. sorry, but that is how i feel. you think you are right, i and many others on here think i am. in the scheme of things it doesn't matter. if you don't like how it is voice your opinion with your vote or your congressman. until then, do not volunteer your time or help others and then bitch and moan about it. i am sure those you are "helping" would not want your help if they knew how you felt about it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    stop telling me i do not get it. i get it perfectly fine. it is a very very bad example you have brought up.

    you can talk to me til you are blue in the face and you will never get me to agree with your viewpoints. sorry, but that is how i feel. you think you are right, i and many others on here think i am. in the scheme of things it doesn't matter. if you don't like how it is voice your opinion with your vote or your congressman. until then, do not volunteer your time or help others and then bitch and moan about it. i am sure those you are "helping" would not want your help if they knew how you felt about it.
    Nowhere in any of the history of my posts have I said that volunteering TIME is a bad thing or something that I have complainted about. Nice try though. Typical AMT tactic, Can't come up with a counter point so you lie about what the poster supports.

    I always hear from you liberals that "They don't have the opportunity to make money"
    So why not support GPA redistribution? I could just as easily say
    "Well some people don't have the opportunity to focus on school and have to work a job or two while others don't"
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,217
    Blockhead wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    stop telling me i do not get it. i get it perfectly fine. it is a very very bad example you have brought up.

    you can talk to me til you are blue in the face and you will never get me to agree with your viewpoints. sorry, but that is how i feel. you think you are right, i and many others on here think i am. in the scheme of things it doesn't matter. if you don't like how it is voice your opinion with your vote or your congressman. until then, do not volunteer your time or help others and then bitch and moan about it. i am sure those you are "helping" would not want your help if they knew how you felt about it.
    Nowhere in any of the history of my posts have I said that volunteering TIME is a bad thing or something that I have complainted about. Nice try though. Typical AMT tactic, Can't come up with a counter point so you lie about what the poster supports.

    I always hear from you liberals that "They don't have the opportunity to make money"
    So why not support GPA redistribution? I could just as easily say
    "Well some people don't have the opportunity to focus on school and have to work a job or two while others don't"
    and i am telling you that GPA in most cases is irrelevent to finding a job, and is not a good predictor of a successful career or salary.

    and i wil find your posts in question,. i have the time.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    Gob wrote:
    This doesn't work.


    I know a guy who's a genius. He could easily have schooled his own teachers, BUT, because he's such a bad people person (or ass kisser ;) ) He barely gets by working in retail, and strangely enjoys his job..


    On the other hand you can have people without college educations steal and cheat their way to the top (Bill Gates).


    This is why capitalism is fucked.


    I don't care how hard you are working, if you are making 10x more than the lazy ass, that's still too much. Like a minimal wage there should be a maximum wage. If you are only being successul for the money and not the craft then you don't deserve it and I'm sure we can find better doctors and atheletes and so on who care more about what they do than numbers they make.

    I really don't think any human being is worth more than a few hundred thousand a year to society, or less than a few dozen thousand..


    If you want to work hard, you make twice as much as the guy who doesn't work hard. Not millions more.
    yeah....this is good.
    now allow us to put this into pearl jam logic.

    pearl jam should only make twice as much as creed. (or insert any band you wish)
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Nowhere in any of the history of my posts have I said that volunteering TIME is a bad thing or something that I have complainted about. Nice try though. Typical AMT tactic, Can't come up with a counter point so you lie about what the poster supports.

    I always hear from you liberals that "They don't have the opportunity to make money"
    So why not support GPA redistribution? I could just as easily say
    "Well some people don't have the opportunity to focus on school and have to work a job or two while others don't"
    and i am telling you that GPA in most cases is irrelevent to finding a job, and is not a good predictor of a successful career or salary.

    and i wil find your posts in question,. i have the time.


    this is most certainly true, however a few points of GPA could mean the difference between graduating or not...which I think we can all agree having at least a high school diploma is necessary to find halfway decent work...

    But overall I think this analogy is terrible. It makes no sense and isn't nearly the same thing...
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Gob wrote:
    This doesn't work.


    I know a guy who's a genius. He could easily have schooled his own teachers, BUT, because he's such a bad people person (or ass kisser ;) ) He barely gets by working in retail, and strangely enjoys his job..


    On the other hand you can have people without college educations steal and cheat their way to the top (Bill Gates).


    This is why capitalism is fucked.


    I don't care how hard you are working, if you are making 10x more than the lazy ass, that's still too much. Like a minimal wage there should be a maximum wage. If you are only being successul for the money and not the craft then you don't deserve it and I'm sure we can find better doctors and atheletes and so on who care more about what they do than numbers they make.

    I really don't think any human being is worth more than a few hundred thousand a year to society, or less than a few dozen thousand..


    If you want to work hard, you make twice as much as the guy who doesn't work hard. Not millions more.
    yeah....this is good.
    now allow us to put this into pearl jam logic.

    everyone should automatically make twice as much as creed. (or insert any band you wish)


    there I fixed it for you...
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    and i am telling you that GPA in most cases is irrelevent to finding a job, and is not a good predictor of a successful career or salary.

    and i wil find your posts in question,. i have the time.
    Your telling me that your H.S. GPA is irrelevent to getting into a good college or college in general. So are you saying its irrelevent to an employer if 1.canidate when to college 2. canidate did not attend college?
    You said your in the medical field right? WOuld you hire someone for your job with a degee in that field or a H.S. diploma?
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    this is most certainly true, however a few points of GPA could mean the difference between graduating or not...which I think we can all agree having at least a high school diploma is necessary to find halfway decent work...
    yes, it also makes a difference if you're trying to get into graduate school.
    I can sort of understand the reasoning behind the analogy, but it doesn't have a similar societal impact.
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