i think the term "wealth redistribution" is kinda a bullshit term. It's taxes..the tax code. I think your analogy is terrible (not you questioning the president's actions) and I will plain and simply answer it no.
Blockhead, did you have such a distaste for the tax brackets under Clinton? More importantly, do you believe that corp. should get the tax breaks they're getting?
I see more rational for giving people a tax break when they financially need it...makes little sense to be giving billion dollar corp. a large amount of money off their tax books when they have billions already. They bring in money to states and local communities, but they do not need billions in dollars a year that goes into the pockets of ceo's who in turn fuck up the economy and or enviorment in the process.
and for the record, high school gpa is not the only thing that determines your ability to get into a college.
act, or sat, standardized testing anyone???
or a daddy with a big wallet...
How is inheritance of wealth any less noble than inheritance of genetics? Why don't you go hate on the guy who got good genes while your at it as well. All they did was be born and they got all those good genes!
As far as it goes, the free market gives people the best chance to succeed monetarily than any other system. If people had all their money redistributed, what incentive would there be to create more wealth?
Umm... what? I'm just adding that its another way of getting into college... just stating a fact. Is it not one of the ways?
I'm not hating.
Although, its not like I respect any of the rich kids who goof off and cause distractions in my lectures because their daddies in Shanghai bought them an Audi and wire them 10k each month for allowance.
edit: and i'm not sure where I said "inheritance of wealth"..
how about this - you are stranded in a remote area with no chance of rescue for a while (months) ... someone kills a deer ... should he:
1. eat what he wants and let the rest go to waste?
2. share it with other stranded people?
3. I will eat the tenderloin and chops and depending on who else is hungry offer other cuts for services. Maybe one guy has to fetch water every day for a couple weeks for some rib meat. Maybe I have a lady give me a nice massage everyday for a few weeks for the deer pelt to keep her kids warm. I could offer up nice shoulder to the kids if they keep the camp clean and remove the waste. No free rides...everyone has to contribute and only i get the tenderloin since I shot the deer (unless of course i would fancy some other services, then I might share the tenderloin ).
sure do...
But is giving money or GPA really helping their cause? It may temporarily but we need life long solutions not band-aids.
so is the alternative of letting people starve or languish in poverty the better choice?
No the alternative is putting that money into programs that will help the children. A welfare mom is not helping her family by continually have more children with no dad(s) So since the Gov. is already basically raising the children anyways we should create programs (afterschool) that can better their lives, and educate them on real world issues. Also use a voucher only systems, where they are not given money, but vouchers on basic needs and certin food items. Create a system to stop the selling the food stams for drugs or money. Its as simple as showing an id for the food you purchase on vouchers. That wouldn't even cost any money. I could come up with a million examples that would help these people. But cutting a check and turning a blind eye to the abuse is not helping.
So what happened to your proposal to take all poor people's children away & put them in a group home or foster care? And, if you really don't want to sound like an elitist prick, stop saying "these people".
You have a degree in Civil Engineering? From the United Kingdom?? :? And, just to help clarify a discussion I was having the other day, do civil engineers need master's degrees?
You have a degree in Civil Engineering? From the United Kingdom?? :? And, just to help clarify a discussion I was having the other day, do civil engineers need master's degrees?
University of Kentucky. I have my Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering. You do not NEED a maters to obtain a degree in Civil Engineering. I am not licensed though as my company is more of a Construction / Facilities management. Maybe someday though...
how about this - you are stranded in a remote area with no chance of rescue for a while (months) ... someone kills a deer ... should he:
1. eat what he wants and let the rest go to waste?
2. share it with other stranded people?
3. I will eat the tenderloin and chops and depending on who else is hungry offer other cuts for services. Maybe one guy has to fetch water every day for a couple weeks for some rib meat. Maybe I have a lady give me a nice massage everyday for a few weeks for the deer pelt to keep her kids warm. I could offer up nice shoulder to the kids if they keep the camp clean and remove the waste. No free rides...everyone has to contribute and only i get the tenderloin since I shot the deer (unless of course i would fancy some other services, then I might share the tenderloin ).
woot
i like this post a lot thank you. no freebies.
also..
there are some people that are insanely wealthy through inheritence that have millions or even billions. and there are also people that make 200k a year that started with nothing and only through working 100 hours a week for 20 years created their wealth. even though by comparison one is much more wealthy than the other, both of these people are in the top % of earners and have to give half their money back.
i agree some heirs don't need billions, but if i broke my back making my small fortune so my kids can have an easier future i'll be damned if some lazy f'ers want my money.
i personally am a working stiff that will have trouble retiring, and i don't want rich people to give me their money. when i'm broke and near not paying rent i get another job.
damn hippies
and for the record, high school gpa is not the only thing that determines your ability to get into a college.
act, or sat, standardized testing anyone???
or a daddy with a big wallet...
How is inheritance of wealth any less noble than inheritance of genetics? Why don't you go hate on the guy who got good genes while your at it as well. All they did was be born and they got all those good genes!
As far as it goes, the free market gives people the best chance to succeed monetarily than any other system. If people had all their money redistributed, what incentive would there be to create more wealth?
Trust me, after working in the sports media for a while covering a major college program, there are PLENTY of people who hate on the guys and girls with good genes. There are a lot of people who resent the fact that student-athletes get scholarships, as if being able to make a tackle makes you less of a benefit to society and therefore less deserving of a scholarship than someone who wants to study Latin and philosophy.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
but if i broke my back making my small fortune so my kids can have an easier future i'll be damned if some lazy f'ers want my money.
i personally am a working stiff that will have trouble retiring, and i don't want rich people to give me their money. when i'm broke and near not paying rent i get another job.
damn hippies
I wish the country had more like you
WOOT!
i was at the farmers market last summer. Some young twenty something "hippie" was buying $300 of raw butter or something from a dairy farmer. Shit was expensive as hell and he paid in larger bills. Chatting with the dairy vendor (since he makes this purchase weekly based on their discussion) he was loving the fact that he got food stamps but pissed the farmers markets don't take them. Keep in mind here, a little granola dude buying the kindest butter on the market. Do the math, he makes pot brownies. That's cool and all, but you know he pays zero taxes on his black market brownies while taking money from our food stamp program. I am only making the assumption here that he was making kind pot brownies. Everything else, no assumption. Pissed me off because I work and pay for that fuck nut.
there are some people that are insanely wealthy through inheritence that have millions or even billions. and there are also people that make 200k a year that started with nothing and only through working 100 hours a week for 20 years created their wealth. even though by comparison one is much more wealthy than the other, both of these people are in the top % of earners and have to give half their money back.
i agree some heirs don't need billions, but if i broke my back making my small fortune so my kids can have an easier future i'll be damned if some lazy f'ers want my money.
i personally am a working stiff that will have trouble retiring, and i don't want rich people to give me their money. when i'm broke and near not paying rent i get another job.
damn hippies
I think this is where a lot of the problem lies - there is an assumption that people below, or hovering around, the poverty line are automatically lazy. I come from a broken home that was comfortably below the poverty line - and that's with my mother working full time to support me and my two sisters. My mum never finished high school, but she was incredibly well-read and excelled at everything she attempted as an adult... but because of a bad decision she made as a 16-year-old nobody would hire her for anything other than a menial minimum wage job. So she worked (usually much more than) 40 hours each week to put food on the table - and it was usually generic, not brand name. It was a big deal if we got to go to McDonald's. So excuse me if I give a hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who automatically assumes poor people are lazy simply because they have no money.
While there are some people out there below the poverty line that are lazy, you'll find that true of rich people too. Paris Hilton is worth more than what I'll ever be worth, and her definition of "career" is "sex tapes, parties, and reality TV shows."
There are a few people on this board who should stop automatically assuming people below the poverty line are lazy. I'd wager the people making those comments have no idea whatsoever the percentage of people below the poverty line that are hard workers who had some unlucky breaks in life compared to the percentage that are content to draw unemployment and not lift a finger.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
there are some people that are insanely wealthy through inheritence that have millions or even billions. and there are also people that make 200k a year that started with nothing and only through working 100 hours a week for 20 years created their wealth. even though by comparison one is much more wealthy than the other, both of these people are in the top % of earners and have to give half their money back.
i agree some heirs don't need billions, but if i broke my back making my small fortune so my kids can have an easier future i'll be damned if some lazy f'ers want my money.
i personally am a working stiff that will have trouble retiring, and i don't want rich people to give me their money. when i'm broke and near not paying rent i get another job.
damn hippies
I think this is where a lot of the problem lies - there is an assumption that people below, or hovering around, the poverty line are automatically lazy. I come from a broken home that was comfortably below the poverty line - and that's with my mother working full time to support me and my two sisters. My mum never finished high school, but she was incredibly well-read and excelled at everything she attempted as an adult... but because of a bad decision she made as a 16-year-old nobody would hire her for anything other than a menial minimum wage job. So she worked (usually much more than) 40 hours each week to put food on the table - and it was usually generic, not brand name. It was a big deal if we got to go to McDonald's. So excuse me if I give a hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who automatically assumes poor people are lazy simply because they have no money.
While there are some people out there below the poverty line that are lazy, you'll find that true of rich people too. Paris Hilton is worth more than what I'll ever be worth, and her definition of "career" is "sex tapes, parties, and reality TV shows."
There are a few people on this board who should stop automatically assuming people below the poverty line are lazy. I'd wager the people making those comments have no idea whatsoever the percentage of people below the poverty line that are hard workers who had some unlucky breaks in life compared to the percentage that are content to draw unemployment and not lift a finger.
but if i broke my back making my small fortune so my kids can have an easier future i'll be damned if some lazy f'ers want my money.
i personally am a working stiff that will have trouble retiring, and i don't want rich people to give me their money. when i'm broke and near not paying rent i get another job.
damn hippies
I wish the country had more like you
WOOT!
i was at the farmers market last summer. Some young twenty something "hippie" was buying $300 of raw butter or something from a dairy farmer. Shit was expensive as hell and he paid in larger bills. Chatting with the dairy vendor (since he makes this purchase weekly based on their discussion) he was loving the fact that he got food stamps but pissed the farmers markets don't take them. Keep in mind here, a little granola dude buying the kindest butter on the market. Do the math, he makes pot brownies. That's cool and all, but you know he pays zero taxes on his black market brownies while taking money from our food stamp program. I am only making the assumption here that he was making kind pot brownies. Everything else, no assumption. Pissed me off because I work and pay for that fuck nut.
and i like brownies
no 'real' hippie would spend $300 on butter no matter whose money it was.
there are some people There are a few people on this board who should stop automatically assuming people below the poverty line are lazy. I'd wager the people making those comments have no idea whatsoever the percentage of people below the poverty line that are hard workers who had some unlucky breaks in life compared to the percentage that are content to draw unemployment and not lift a finger.
Those of you for wealth redistribution, It should only be fair that students GPA's also be redsitributed. Right?
...
It would be if there were 2 students with GPAs of 400,000,000.0 that drew off of the rest of the student bodies.
Wealth and Grade Point Averages... comparing Apples to Wombats.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
they do have one strong correlation though, neither should be redistributed.
...
So... the Wall Streeters who almost collapsed the global economy deserve to keep their jobs and receive their bonuses. After all... they earned it, right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
you're right, it was the wrong word. I just had it on my mind because I am looking to buy an ETF that correlates with the price of oil. I am thinking USO. Carry on.
but if i broke my back making my small fortune so my kids can have an easier future i'll be damned if some lazy f'ers want my money.
i personally am a working stiff that will have trouble retiring, and i don't want rich people to give me their money. when i'm broke and near not paying rent i get another job.
damn hippies
I wish the country had more like you
WOOT!
i was at the farmers market last summer. Some young twenty something "hippie" was buying $300 of raw butter or something from a dairy farmer. Shit was expensive as hell and he paid in larger bills. Chatting with the dairy vendor (since he makes this purchase weekly based on their discussion) he was loving the fact that he got food stamps but pissed the farmers markets don't take them. Keep in mind here, a little granola dude buying the kindest butter on the market. Do the math, he makes pot brownies. That's cool and all, but you know he pays zero taxes on his black market brownies while taking money from our food stamp program. I am only making the assumption here that he was making kind pot brownies. Everything else, no assumption. Pissed me off because I work and pay for that fuck nut.
and i like brownies
why didn't you say something to this fuck nut....? speak up and be heard...
Trust me, after working in the sports media for a while covering a major college program, there are PLENTY of people who hate on the guys and girls with good genes. There are a lot of people who resent the fact that student-athletes get scholarships, as if being able to make a tackle makes you less of a benefit to society and therefore less deserving of a scholarship than someone who wants to study Latin and philosophy.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general point, but as someone who has resented those athletes & their scholarships, I just have to say that it's NOT because I thought being able to make a tackle makes one LESS deserving of a scholarship - I just don't think it makes them so much MORE deserving of a scholarship. I worked my ass off since kindergarten to get a full ride and, more importantly, had to work my ass off in college to keep it - yet many of the athletes got 5-10 times more money than I did & had much lower requirements to keep it. For that, I resent the system (though I can't blame the athletes for taking the money). I resented the players themselves, however, because of the attitude they had, that they were so much BETTER than everyone else & shouldn't have to be bothered with doing anything other than making those tackles you spoke of.
I know not everyone has this attitude, and I know athletes work hard. But I don't think they deserve to get so much more money & get away with breaking the rules any more than I think they should be able to get away with that as adults.
I had a work-study job at the financial aid office in college, so I saw how much money everyone got. I was shocked & disheartened to realize that there was no hope, no matter how hard we worked for how long, of anyone getting an academic scholarship that was even close to the amount of the athletic scholarships. I also saw all the work the rest of the student body had to go through to get their money, not just with regard to scholastics, but I mean they had to fill out all the forms, stand in line to get their money, etc. MANY student athletes would come through my line - the one I was working for $4/hour because my full academic ride didn't cover any of my expenses - and get ANGRY when they would have to stand in line with everyone else or fill out a fucking form. I remember one guy in particular who was insistent that I should have to do it for him. He was making 10 times the amount of most of the students with scholarships, but he didn't think he should have to even complete a fucking form to get it?!
I also remember another guy, at another work-study job I had as a TA for a music appreciation class, who wouldn't shut the fuck up in class or do his work. He & his teammates took the class because they thought it would be an easy A & they wouldn't have to do anything but hang out & fuck around in class. They were very disruptive to the other students. I'll always remember that this guy in particular actually told me that he shouldn't have to pay attention or do any work because he was on the football team! And then the little shit had the nerve to ask me out!
And then, when I caught a couple of girls from the basketball team cheating on the final, I was told to just pretend it didn't happen because we wouldn't want any basketball players to get kicked out of school. And the athletes knew they could cheat with no consequences - they didn't even try to hide it!
Anyway, so that's why I resented some of the student athletes & their scholarships - not because I don't think being able to tackle makes them less deserving. I'll get down from my soapbox now & let y'all continue the conversation at hand.
I think this is where a lot of the problem lies - there is an assumption that people below, or hovering around, the poverty line are automatically lazy. I come from a broken home that was comfortably below the poverty line - and that's with my mother working full time to support me and my two sisters. My mum never finished high school, but she was incredibly well-read and excelled at everything she attempted as an adult... but because of a bad decision she made as a 16-year-old nobody would hire her for anything other than a menial minimum wage job. So she worked (usually much more than) 40 hours each week to put food on the table - and it was usually generic, not brand name. It was a big deal if we got to go to McDonald's. So excuse me if I give a hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who automatically assumes poor people are lazy simply because they have no money.
While there are some people out there below the poverty line that are lazy, you'll find that true of rich people too. Paris Hilton is worth more than what I'll ever be worth, and her definition of "career" is "sex tapes, parties, and reality TV shows."
There are a few people on this board who should stop automatically assuming people below the poverty line are lazy. I'd wager the people making those comments have no idea whatsoever the percentage of people below the poverty line that are hard workers who had some unlucky breaks in life compared to the percentage that are content to draw unemployment and not lift a finger.
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Its not hypocrisy, Blockhead, just because you came up with an analogy (a rather far fetched one).
Blockhead, did you have such a distaste for the tax brackets under Clinton? More importantly, do you believe that corp. should get the tax breaks they're getting?
I see more rational for giving people a tax break when they financially need it...makes little sense to be giving billion dollar corp. a large amount of money off their tax books when they have billions already. They bring in money to states and local communities, but they do not need billions in dollars a year that goes into the pockets of ceo's who in turn fuck up the economy and or enviorment in the process.
No, it's not. Not to the extent you think it is, anyway.
I'm not hating.
Although, its not like I respect any of the rich kids who goof off and cause distractions in my lectures because their daddies in Shanghai bought them an Audi and wire them 10k each month for allowance.
edit: and i'm not sure where I said "inheritance of wealth"..
3. I will eat the tenderloin and chops and depending on who else is hungry offer other cuts for services. Maybe one guy has to fetch water every day for a couple weeks for some rib meat. Maybe I have a lady give me a nice massage everyday for a few weeks for the deer pelt to keep her kids warm. I could offer up nice shoulder to the kids if they keep the camp clean and remove the waste. No free rides...everyone has to contribute and only i get the tenderloin since I shot the deer (unless of course i would fancy some other services, then I might share the tenderloin
woot
So what happened to your proposal to take all poor people's children away & put them in a group home or foster care? And, if you really don't want to sound like an elitist prick, stop saying "these people".
You have a degree in Civil Engineering? From the United Kingdom?? :? And, just to help clarify a discussion I was having the other day, do civil engineers need master's degrees?
i like this post a lot thank you. no freebies.
also..
there are some people that are insanely wealthy through inheritence that have millions or even billions. and there are also people that make 200k a year that started with nothing and only through working 100 hours a week for 20 years created their wealth. even though by comparison one is much more wealthy than the other, both of these people are in the top % of earners and have to give half their money back.
i agree some heirs don't need billions, but if i broke my back making my small fortune so my kids can have an easier future i'll be damned if some lazy f'ers want my money.
i personally am a working stiff that will have trouble retiring, and i don't want rich people to give me their money. when i'm broke and near not paying rent i get another job.
damn hippies
Trust me, after working in the sports media for a while covering a major college program, there are PLENTY of people who hate on the guys and girls with good genes. There are a lot of people who resent the fact that student-athletes get scholarships, as if being able to make a tackle makes you less of a benefit to society and therefore less deserving of a scholarship than someone who wants to study Latin and philosophy.
I wish the country had more like you
WOOT!
i was at the farmers market last summer. Some young twenty something "hippie" was buying $300 of raw butter or something from a dairy farmer. Shit was expensive as hell and he paid in larger bills. Chatting with the dairy vendor (since he makes this purchase weekly based on their discussion) he was loving the fact that he got food stamps but pissed the farmers markets don't take them. Keep in mind here, a little granola dude buying the kindest butter on the market. Do the math, he makes pot brownies. That's cool and all, but you know he pays zero taxes on his black market brownies while taking money from our food stamp program. I am only making the assumption here that he was making kind pot brownies. Everything else, no assumption. Pissed me off because I work and pay for that fuck nut.
and i like brownies
I think this is where a lot of the problem lies - there is an assumption that people below, or hovering around, the poverty line are automatically lazy. I come from a broken home that was comfortably below the poverty line - and that's with my mother working full time to support me and my two sisters. My mum never finished high school, but she was incredibly well-read and excelled at everything she attempted as an adult... but because of a bad decision she made as a 16-year-old nobody would hire her for anything other than a menial minimum wage job. So she worked (usually much more than) 40 hours each week to put food on the table - and it was usually generic, not brand name. It was a big deal if we got to go to McDonald's. So excuse me if I give a hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who automatically assumes poor people are lazy simply because they have no money.
While there are some people out there below the poverty line that are lazy, you'll find that true of rich people too. Paris Hilton is worth more than what I'll ever be worth, and her definition of "career" is "sex tapes, parties, and reality TV shows."
There are a few people on this board who should stop automatically assuming people below the poverty line are lazy. I'd wager the people making those comments have no idea whatsoever the percentage of people below the poverty line that are hard workers who had some unlucky breaks in life compared to the percentage that are content to draw unemployment and not lift a finger.
Beauty
It would be if there were 2 students with GPAs of 400,000,000.0 that drew off of the rest of the student bodies.
Wealth and Grade Point Averages... comparing Apples to Wombats.
Hail, Hail!!!
So... the Wall Streeters who almost collapsed the global economy deserve to keep their jobs and receive their bonuses. After all... they earned it, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
no they don't...I'm guessing you're just tossing out a big word like correlation while not having a clue what it means...
why didn't you say something to this fuck nut....? speak up and be heard...
Fuck me. I should have blasted the little weasel!
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general point, but as someone who has resented those athletes & their scholarships, I just have to say that it's NOT because I thought being able to make a tackle makes one LESS deserving of a scholarship - I just don't think it makes them so much MORE deserving of a scholarship. I worked my ass off since kindergarten to get a full ride and, more importantly, had to work my ass off in college to keep it - yet many of the athletes got 5-10 times more money than I did & had much lower requirements to keep it. For that, I resent the system (though I can't blame the athletes for taking the money). I resented the players themselves, however, because of the attitude they had, that they were so much BETTER than everyone else & shouldn't have to be bothered with doing anything other than making those tackles you spoke of.
I know not everyone has this attitude, and I know athletes work hard. But I don't think they deserve to get so much more money & get away with breaking the rules any more than I think they should be able to get away with that as adults.
I had a work-study job at the financial aid office in college, so I saw how much money everyone got. I was shocked & disheartened to realize that there was no hope, no matter how hard we worked for how long, of anyone getting an academic scholarship that was even close to the amount of the athletic scholarships. I also saw all the work the rest of the student body had to go through to get their money, not just with regard to scholastics, but I mean they had to fill out all the forms, stand in line to get their money, etc. MANY student athletes would come through my line - the one I was working for $4/hour because my full academic ride didn't cover any of my expenses - and get ANGRY when they would have to stand in line with everyone else or fill out a fucking form. I remember one guy in particular who was insistent that I should have to do it for him. He was making 10 times the amount of most of the students with scholarships, but he didn't think he should have to even complete a fucking form to get it?!
I also remember another guy, at another work-study job I had as a TA for a music appreciation class, who wouldn't shut the fuck up in class or do his work. He & his teammates took the class because they thought it would be an easy A & they wouldn't have to do anything but hang out & fuck around in class. They were very disruptive to the other students. I'll always remember that this guy in particular actually told me that he shouldn't have to pay attention or do any work because he was on the football team! And then the little shit had the nerve to ask me out!
And then, when I caught a couple of girls from the basketball team cheating on the final, I was told to just pretend it didn't happen because we wouldn't want any basketball players to get kicked out of school. And the athletes knew they could cheat with no consequences - they didn't even try to hide it!
Anyway, so that's why I resented some of the student athletes & their scholarships - not because I don't think being able to tackle makes them less deserving. I'll get down from my soapbox now & let y'all continue the conversation at hand.
Exactly! Well said.