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  • hopethatuchokehopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    I am a huge PJ fan but I couldn't in good conscience pick them over the Beatles for anything.

    I also couldn't see myself spending time voting in an online popularity poll.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    ... I voted Beatles.
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  • iamicaiamica Chicago Posts: 2,628
    Noooo, don't make me choose!!!
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  • serpent boyserpent boy Virginia Beach Posts: 372
    C'mon, Pearl Jam! It's 70-30 (not in our favor) last time I checked.

    I've always disliked the Beatles. Sorry fans. They annoy me.
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,317
    I am a huge PJ fan but I couldn't in good conscience pick them over the Beatles for anything.

    I also couldn't see myself spending time voting in an online popularity poll.

    glad you found the time to tell us how you don't have time to vote in polls
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  • Black73Black73 Posts: 1,018
    70-30...we're toast!
  • That's an unfair matchup :D
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  • Black73Black73 Posts: 1,018
    That's an unfair matchup :D

    Right? How about The Who and Floyd? I guess to be the champ, you gotta beat the champ.
  • hopethatuchokehopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    NewJPage wrote:
    I am a huge PJ fan but I couldn't in good conscience pick them over the Beatles for anything.

    I also couldn't see myself spending time voting in an online popularity poll.

    glad you found the time to tell us how you don't have time to vote in polls


    Well actually I was inferring how ridiculous it was that anyone would choose PJ over the Beatles. The rest was just the hot fudge on top. Thanks for your concern though.
  • Damn. The Beatles are just too damn big for even PJ lol... so.... is there ANY form of cheating the voting system? ANY???? lol
  • NewJPage wrote:
    I am a huge PJ fan but I couldn't in good conscience pick them over the Beatles for anything.

    I also couldn't see myself spending time voting in an online popularity poll.

    glad you found the time to tell us how you don't have time to vote in polls


    Well actually I was inferring how ridiculous it was that anyone would choose PJ over the Beatles. The rest was just the hot fudge on top. Thanks
    for your concern though.


    Well actually the ones voting PJ are PJ fans first and everyone else 2nd. Has nothing to do with who is better. Obviously pj is better to us pj fans than the Beatles. Its a matter of taste. I take it ur a member of the Beatles fan club too right?
  • Black73 wrote:
    That's an unfair matchup :D

    Right? How about The Who and Floyd? I guess to be the champ, you gotta beat the champ.

    +1 :D
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,267
    ... I voted Beatles.
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  • hopethatuchokehopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    pjeptx wrote:
    Well actually the ones voting PJ are PJ fans first and everyone else 2nd. Has nothing to do with who is better. Obviously pj is better to us pj fans than the Beatles. Its a matter of taste. I take it ur a member of the Beatles fan club too right?


    I think you would find a large number of Pearl Jam fans, including the band themselves, that will agree the Beatles are the better band. I'm not a diehard Beatles fan by any means, I just know who is the better band.

    I truthfully don't care that much and don't want to argue about it. Your argument has merits, as does mine. Let's just be best friends.
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    pjeptx wrote:
    Well actually the ones voting PJ are PJ fans first and everyone else 2nd. Has nothing to do with who is better. Obviously pj is better to us pj fans than the Beatles. Its a matter of taste. I take it ur a member of the Beatles fan club too right?


    I think you would find a large number of Pearl Jam fans, including the band themselves, that will agree the Beatles are the better band. I'm not a diehard Beatles fan by any means, I just know who is the better band.

    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    WaveRyder wrote:
    pjeptx wrote:
    Well actually the ones voting PJ are PJ fans first and everyone else 2nd. Has nothing to do with who is better. Obviously pj is better to us pj fans than the Beatles. Its a matter of taste. I take it ur a member of the Beatles fan club too right?


    I think you would find a large number of Pearl Jam fans, including the band themselves, that will agree the Beatles are the better band. I'm not a diehard Beatles fan by any means, I just know who is the better band.

    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.


    Hold on a second...........You are aware that The Beatles couldn't tour right? They couldn't even hear themselves on stage for the longest time and by the time they could it was just a hassle for them. You can't even imagine what their fame was like. And you said albums sold and nostalgia? Are you out of your mind? Ethics? Was their a bigger advocate for World Peace than John Lennon? I think you may want to ease up on the the pipe hitting a bit. I don't think you really want to compare John's and Paul's solo career vs Ed do you? Let's be honest Ed's first solo record was 30 minutes long and had 2 cover songs on it.

    I love Pearl Jam but this comparison is silly at best and they themselves would tell you the same thing. Do you like Pearl Jam's music better, possibly but to even think PJ's impact is even close to the Beatles is laughable.
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  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    still 70-30 beatles
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    pjradio wrote:
    still 70-30 beatles

    That's about right. Listen, getting 30% against The Beatles is quite an accomplishment honestly.
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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    WaveRyder wrote:

    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.


    Hold on a second...........You are aware that The Beatles couldn't tour right? They couldn't even hear themselves on stage for the longest time and by the time they could it was just a hassle for them. You can't even imagine what their fame was like. And you said albums sold and nostalgia? Are you out of your mind? Ethics? Was their a bigger advocate for World Peace than John Lennon? I think you may want to ease up on the the pipe hitting a bit. I don't think you really want to compare John's and Paul's solo career vs Ed do you? Let's be honest Ed's first solo record was 30 minutes long and had 2 cover songs on it.

    I love Pearl Jam but this comparison is silly at best and they themselves would tell you the same thing. Do you like Pearl Jam's music better, possibly but to even think PJ's impact is even close to the Beatles is laughable.

    Were you in The Beatles or something?

    The reason why Ed's solo career isn't much is because he has been in a band for 20 years. If Ed would have got big headed like Paul and Lennon and quit the band after only 10 years he'd probably have 5 solo albums out by now, but maybe not. Wasn't Into the Wild made for a movie? I still consider it a movie soundtrack more than i consider it a solo album.

    Ill say it until the day i die, THE BEATLES ARE OVERRATED!!! :twisted:
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited March 2011
    WaveRyder wrote:
    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.

    Funny you don't mention musicianship, songwriting or overall creativity... Ya know....Things that actually make great bands.

    Most of the ones you point out are even questionable....Albums sold?? Don't have any idea about specific numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Beatles have outsold PJ counting only their compilations.

    Longevity can kinda work against PJ, considering the Beatles out as much music in half the time.
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,317
    WaveRyder wrote:
    WaveRyder wrote:

    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.


    Hold on a second...........You are aware that The Beatles couldn't tour right? They couldn't even hear themselves on stage for the longest time and by the time they could it was just a hassle for them. You can't even imagine what their fame was like. And you said albums sold and nostalgia? Are you out of your mind? Ethics? Was their a bigger advocate for World Peace than John Lennon? I think you may want to ease up on the the pipe hitting a bit. I don't think you really want to compare John's and Paul's solo career vs Ed do you? Let's be honest Ed's first solo record was 30 minutes long and had 2 cover songs on it.

    I love Pearl Jam but this comparison is silly at best and they themselves would tell you the same thing. Do you like Pearl Jam's music better, possibly but to even think PJ's impact is even close to the Beatles is laughable.

    Were you in The Beatles or something?

    The reason why Ed's solo career isn't much is because he has been in a band for 20 years. If Ed would have got big headed like Paul and Lennon and quit the band after only 10 years he'd probably have 5 solo albums out by now, but maybe not. Wasn't Into the Wild made for a movie? I still consider it a movie soundtrack more than i consider it a solo album.

    Ill say it until the day i die, THE BEATLES ARE OVERRATED!!! :twisted:

    dude, you are forcing me to agree with hopethatuchoke and redmosquito22 in the same thread! the horror! :mrgreen:

    everything mosquito said is correct. their musical output is far larger than PJs in half the time, and side 2 of abbey road is maybe the best 20 minutes of music in the history of rock.
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  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    edited March 2011
    WaveRyder wrote:
    I think you would find a large number of Pearl Jam fans, including the band themselves, that will agree the Beatles are the better band. I'm not a diehard Beatles fan by any means, I just know who is the better band.

    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.


    Hold on a second...........You are aware that The Beatles couldn't tour right? They couldn't even hear themselves on stage for the longest time and by the time they could it was just a hassle for them. You can't even imagine what their fame was like. And you said albums sold and nostalgia? Are you out of your mind? Ethics? Was their a bigger advocate for World Peace than John Lennon? I think you may want to ease up on the the pipe hitting a bit. I don't think you really want to compare John's and Paul's solo career vs Ed do you? Let's be honest Ed's first solo record was 30 minutes long and had 2 cover songs on it.

    I love Pearl Jam but this comparison is silly at best and they themselves would tell you the same thing. Do you like Pearl Jam's music better, possibly but to even think PJ's impact is even close to the Beatles is laughable.
    Absolutely right on everything you said about The Beatles touring and advocacy Red Mosquito. I'll also add that in their early days in Hamburg, The Beatles had to do 6, 7 hour sets a night for months straight.

    And to albums sold: 1.3 BILLION for The Beatles vs. 60 MILLION for Pearl Jam. And don't forget The Beatles are the only band/artist to hold the top 5 spots of the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart.
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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    DewieCox wrote:
    WaveRyder wrote:
    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.

    Funny you don't mention musicianship, songwriting or overall creativity... Ya know....Things that actually make great bands.

    because that is all subjective. and there are way more Pearl Jam songs that give me chills than Beatles tunes. And that is my subjective opinion. I listed things that can be calculated precisely and Pearl Jam wins.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    It's about time you agree with me. hahahahaha

    Listen I understand if people like PJ more, hell I do. But there is no way I'd be moronic enough to say they are more influential or better in any way. The Beatles will forever be considered the best band ever. I honestly think the only band that even comes close at times are The Stones in polls.
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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    It's about time you agree with me. hahahahaha

    Listen I understand if people like PJ more, hell I do. But there is no way I'd be moronic enough to say they are more influential or better in any way. The Beatles will forever be considered the best band ever. I honestly think the only band that even comes close at times are The Stones in polls.

    never said they were more influential. give it 50 years and then that'll probably be true
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,317
    It's about time you agree with me. hahahahaha

    Listen I understand if people like PJ more, hell I do. But there is no way I'd be moronic enough to say they are more influential or better in any way. The Beatles will forever be considered the best band ever. I honestly think the only band that even comes close at times are The Stones in polls.

    yep. as much bullshit is in those constant rolling stone top whatever polls, the one thing they got right in the top 500 albums was having 5 beatles albums in the top ten
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,432
    WaveRyder wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    WaveRyder wrote:
    that's subjective. I would admit that The Beatles are way more popular, but that doesn't mean they are better. If you factor everything in, I'd say PJ are the champs. Longevity, concerts performed, albums sold, ethics, nostalgia, comradery, you name it, Pearl Jam is better. Matt Cameron or Ringo Starr. Give me Cameron any day of the week.

    The real reason i like Pearl Jam more, bcause even after being the biggest thing since sliced bread, PJ didnt get all weird and big headed, something I cant say for The Beatles.

    Funny you don't mention musicianship, songwriting or overall creativity... Ya know....Things that actually make great bands.

    because that is all subjective. and there are way more Pearl Jam songs that give me chills than Beatles tunes. And that is my subjective opinion. I listed things that can be calculated precisely and Pearl Jam wins.

    Ethics, nostalgia, and comradery cannot be calculated precisely, even if they could PJ'd lose.

    Ethics....John wrote the book
    Nostalgia.....There are musicals based on the Beatles music, they drop and album today it's goin #1
    Comradery.....PJ's been through how many drummers??


    I would say the things I pointed out are less subjective. The Beatles wrote great songs, were trailblazers and are about as technically accomplished as mainstream rock gets, with a few exceptions.
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    DewieCox wrote:
    WaveRyder wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:

    Funny you don't mention musicianship, songwriting or overall creativity... Ya know....Things that actually make great bands.

    because that is all subjective. and there are way more Pearl Jam songs that give me chills than Beatles tunes. And that is my subjective opinion. I listed things that can be calculated precisely and Pearl Jam wins.

    Ethics, nostalgia, and comradery cannot be calculated precisely, even if they could PJ'd lose.

    Ethics....John wrote the book
    Nostalgia.....There are musicals based on the Beatles music, they drop and album today it's goin #1
    Comradery.....PJ's been through how many drummers??


    I would say the things I pointed out are less subjective. The Beatles wrote great songs, were trailblazers and are about as technically accomplished as mainstream rock gets, with a few exceptions.

    Ethics - carbon mitigation, merchandise being made by high-waged labor (and the quality doesnt relfect it), PJ plays at how many benefits, Stone builds houses on the poorest indian reservations in the country.

    Nostalgia - yeah, i shouldnt have listed that, totally subjective

    Comradery - They have been through a ton of drummers, but PJ with Matt has still been together longer than The Beatles and they only had to keep 4 ppl together. Pearl Jam has kept 4 ppl together for 20 years and 5 ppl together for 12 years.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    edited March 2011
    The members of the Beatles have probably given more money to Charity then the members of Pearl Jam have made in their career. Come on dude.

    http://www.paulmccartney.com/charities.php
    Post edited by RedMosquito22 on
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    beatles blow
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