TEN CLUB ANALOG AND DIGITAL MEMBERSHIPS

Kilgore_Trout · January 2011

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Of course they are making money. they make more money than you can possibly imagine. There are 375,000 members. If half the members do Analog and half do digital the 10 club will make $11.5 million just in membership fees. And I'm guessing more than half will be Analog members. That doesn't even include merch. If you knew how much they were making annually your eyes would pop out.

well call me a no good commie but i for one would prefer they make less money

i want them to work equally hard or harder... but for less money... and i think that is perfectly fair

GIMME GIMME GIMME

Jeanwah · January 2011

hopethatuchoke wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This makes me wonder... if 10C is not living up to their end of the contract (no Deep last year, inconsistent 'holiday' singles sent out), we consumers have more legal ground here, even before the legal membership contract change. :?:

Possibly but the apologists would probably sabotage the case and protest outside of the courtroom Donna Martin Graduates style. Their obsession and love for the club rivals people's complaints 100:1 so they would no doubt take it personal.

I would never consider suing for something so trivial but sadly, that would be about the only thing that could get their attention. If it hasn't changed by now, it probably never will.

I wouldn't consider suing either of course. But normally, a paying customer of any business would NOT be ok if the business didn't fulfill their end of the bargain especially if the business decided to change terms of the agreement!

Black Diamond · January 2011

Jeanwah wrote:

hopethatuchoke wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This makes me wonder... if 10C is not living up to their end of the contract (no Deep last year, inconsistent 'holiday' singles sent out), we consumers have more legal ground here, even before the legal membership contract change. :?:

Possibly but the apologists would probably sabotage the case and protest outside of the courtroom Donna Martin Graduates style. Their obsession and love for the club rivals people's complaints 100:1 so they would no doubt take it personal.

I would never consider suing for something so trivial but sadly, that would be about the only thing that could get their attention. If it hasn't changed by now, it probably never will.

I wouldn't consider suing either of course. But normally, a paying customer of any business would NOT be ok if the business didn't fulfill their end of the bargain especially if the business decided to change terms of the agreement!

Addiction makes people act irrational.

I won't be renewing.

They did not change the terms of the agreement. I renewed in December and I will still be getting my mag and vinyl in 11... when I renew in December next year, I will decide which way I want to go...

Better Dan · January 2011

Black Diamond wrote:

They did not change the terms of the agreement. I renewed in December and I will still be getting my mag and vinyl in 11... when I renew in December next year, I will decide which way I want to go...

They changed it for people who prepaid several years under the old system. Now they have to pay the difference if they want to receive the vinyl.

Better Dan · January 2011

RedMosquito22 wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

How does anybody know the number of members in the 10c?

According to these boards, there are 375,000 10 Club members.

How do you know there are 375,000 members? I haven't read that on here anywehre. In one of the radio shows, didn't they say they were not going to release that information.

Leezestarr313 · January 2011

dimitrispearljam wrote:

im a member of 10 cos i support the band i love
im a member of 10c cos my pj friends are here and i can communicate with them
im a member of 10c cos its about music that i love
im member of 10c cos i get 10c tickets and i like early entrance in our area
in member of 10c cos give me the chance to buy merch-vinyl -bootlegs etc,
i would be a member of 10c even if i didnt get anything of the previous,cos no problem to honor the best band ever that i love with an annoual membership that some cash.
im proud member of pearl jam fan club and i can afford to do it.
the people running that fan club decide to change the membership way...they give me options..stay as you are,leave,go up level of membership..i choose..im happy,waiting for 2011 tour activity..
the last 4 days i check around i didnt see any gun point at me and ready to shoot if im not choose the new mewmbership

sometimes in life its good to give before you start asking what you get...its fuckin called LOVE

+1 Thanks, Dimi! I think I'll go analog! Peace and good night to everyone!

Better Dan · January 2011

William Wallace wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

You only feel that way because the $20 membership doesn't get the record anymore. Other than that reason there is no difference in the digital membership.

For most members, there are two reasons for being in the fanclub:
One is the x-mas single (on VINYL), the other is the ticket opportunity.
For a lot of non-US fans, it is the X-mas Single that is important, since we don't have a problem getting tickets here (if they even come to our area).
Shows nearly never sell out immediately here, and because of general admission shows, Tickets are all the same.
So for these fans (and this is not a smal number), the new membership system sucks.
They have to pay $50 for the Single. Because let's face it, the Deep magazin isn't worth the paper it is written on.
When considering these points, I think there is a basis for a discussion about the new model.

There is definitely a basis for discussion about the new model! It actually seems like some of the people who agree / don't care about the change are the rudest ones on here. I'll be switching to analog, I think the t - shirt and bootleg are worth it for me, but I can definitely understand why others are upset, especially when it comes to the digital membership.

Better Dan · January 2011

RedMosquito22 wrote:

William Wallace wrote:

5) I don't think the things cost more than the 50$ I have to pay. Surely not!

A T-shirt and concert download are a minimum of $30 alone + the vinyl single and if you get tickets it's well worth $50(even though I only pay $40). Heck, if you get tickets you saved about $100 per ticket just from stub hub prices.

Only a a handful of places PJ play are going to be immediate sell outs.

dimitrispearljam · January 2011

Better Dan wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

How does anybody know the number of members in the 10c?

According to these boards, there are 375,000 10 Club members.

How do you know there are 375,000 members? I haven't read that on here anywehre. In one of the radio shows, didn't they say they were not going to release that information.

at the moment there are 80625 paid members

pjl44 · January 2011

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

you're in luck... i gotta decide next week... the way i see it its $40 for a decent package (w/ a shirt i REALLY wanna see before i order) or $20 for nothing... i would like to take a principled stand and just pay the $20 but i can't justify paying that for nothing but ticket privileges... if i pay the $40 i look like a hypocrite for all the bitching i've done here... either option is more than i wanna spend right now but i'm not about to lose my number after 8 years

decisions decisions

See, this is sorta the problem right here. You won't look like a hypocrite because no one's interested. Act as a consumer and make your purchase or don't. No one will bat an eyelash one way or the other. I think it's this sorta myopic outlook that's causing so many people to take a fan club fee hike so personally.

veddertown · January 2011

My membership is ok until November and at the moment I don't think I'll be upgrading to analog. On principle I don't pay 100% more for any product unless I need it to survive of feed/clothe my family. I don't go for lots of PJ merch except boots so the t-shirt doesn't mean much to me and I buy nearly every boot anyway in cd format. I'd much rather have Deep in pdf as I don't need them once they've been read although in my opinion they could give us one or two extra mags per year even if only in pdf format because it's great to have news or articles directly from 10C (while you're at it how about pdf archives for all the previous Deep mags and newsletters, I'd love to see some of those).The benefits of being a member for me exist in the digital version, ticket pre-sales, holiday single (now mp3), discount sales in the goods section occasionally, Deep and of course the forums where I've made and met some good friends. Whatever choice everyone else makes is theirs and I respect everyone's reasons for upgrading, going analog or even not renewing. There's far too many threads related to this subject and far too much hostility brewing in the forums since this announcement. Anyway, hats off to 10C for all these years at $20, great value for money really and that's what I'll hopefully still get for my $20. My wishes for 2011, more PJ related news to actually come from 10C where possible and if the tweets are to continue then tweet when the news is more or less ready because the long wait leads to hostility too and countless locked threads. See all your happy, smiling faces somewhere in the middle of the US sometime in the middle of the year!!

aus_suz · January 2011

Cant believe theres been 48 pages of this...
Its not that hard..
either u do or dont what else is there to say ..........
too much drama......

Cant wait to get my tee...

ZiggyStar · January 2011

dimitrispearljam wrote:

at the moment there are 80625 paid members

How do you know?

dimitrispearljam · January 2011

ZiggyStar wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

at the moment there are 80625 paid members

How do you know?

open a pm,in the bar up clik usergroups
clik paid members
do the maths..pages x 30 members per page
done

Music For Rhinos · January 2011

RedMosquito22 wrote:

1) What's good is you still can get the vinyl each year
2) It's stupid to you because you don't want to pay it.
3) When the new album comes out guess what, I will get both the vinyl and CD which will cost me around $40. If my cost was $50 yes I would still buy it without whining.
4) My wife and I put PJ money aside every month anyway. The Jar says "PJ Emergency fund"
5) How can it be a bad deal when everything you get costs more than what you are paying? The good thing is if you feel its a bad deal you can still only pay $20 and then next year when you realize how stupid of an idea it was not to go Analog you can always change your mind later that year or the following year.

I'm just curious, where do you draw the line? How much could PJ charge for a new album or t-shirt before even you said, "Hey now, that's ridiculous." ?

RedMosquito22 · January 2011

dimitrispearljam wrote:

ZiggyStar wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

at the moment there are 80625 paid members

How do you know?

open a pm,in the bar up clik usergroups
clik paid members
do the maths..pages x 30 members per page
done

Damn I clicked on registered users. My bad. However there are now 80,631 now.

I don't see how thats possible though considering the member numbers are around 460xxx now.

Kilgore_Trout · January 2011

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Damn I clicked on registered users. My bad. However there are now 80,631 now.

I don't see how thats possible though considering the member numbers are around 460xxx now.

totally possible... some people have probably accidentally let 2 or 3 numbers lapse

PJ has about a quarter the general fanbase they used to

probably a lot of people quit after PJ stopped touring heavily post-RA

it'd be kind of cool if they reassigned numbers and got rid of the dead ones between 1 and mine... i'd like to know where i actually am in line

Waves4to6ft · January 2011

Analog. Thanks.

howIchoose2feel · January 2011

This is how I rationalize anything I really want (and in this case really need) but probably should not spend the money for. $40 a year? comes to 11 cents a day. If 11 cents a day buys me something that makes me happy, so very happy, then it's a no brainer for me. No need to analyze all the ins and outs. I love this band, and love this community. The day I will be really upset is the day I get the e-mail that they are no longer offering memberships. Until then - call me a posimist. Fuck the pessimists.

dimitrispearljam · January 2011

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Damn I clicked on registered users. My bad. However there are now 80,631 now.

I don't see how thats possible though considering the member numbers are around 460xxx now.

totally possible... some people have probably accidentally let 2 or 3 numbers lapse

PJ has about a quarter the general fanbase they used to

probably a lot of people quit after PJ stopped touring heavily post-RA

it'd be kind of cool if they reassigned numbers and got rid of the dead ones between 1 and mine... i'd like to know where i actually am in line

a year ago at january was 75.600

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