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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,253
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    I'm pro death penalty for no-brainers. 100% guilty. The notion that we would rather "off" someone rather than admitting something is absurd and really shows your misunderstanding that republicans have on certain issues.
    i do not have a misunderstanding at all, and it is not a democrat or republican issue at all. it is a HUMAN issue. just like with wars and the iraq war wikileaks, our leaders would rather pull the trigger and ask questions later. same as with some of these death penalty cases in texas the last few years. same as in the wm3 case. some people would rather see them killed before all of the evidence has been heard. and if that is true in the justice system then that system is absolutely broken.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    you know if you make a few mistakes at work, you get fired. If the death penalty has been handed down to one innocent person it should be fired too. We need to get rid of this shit. I dont see it sticking around forever. "You're fired death penalty!" come on let's hear it.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... th-penalty

    UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty

    American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimes

    Mark Tran
    guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010


    The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.

    The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.

    The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.

    More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.

    Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.

    At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.

    Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.

    He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.

    But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."

    Koh also strongly defended the use of unmanned drone aircraft to kill "high value tagets" on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and in Yemen.

    "Our targeting practice complies with all human rights law," he said. "Operations are conducted in conformity with rule of law principles. It has been long legitimate to target enemy leaders and force is directed only at lawful targets."

    Since the beginning of September, Barack Obama has authorised at least 25 targeted killings.

    While the attacks have killed senior al-Qaida and Taliban figures, they have also killed civilians, including a large number of women and children, sparking anger against the US.

    The fiercest criticism at the UN council came from countries at odds with the US.

    The Cuban ambassador, Rodolfo Reyes Rodriguez, who spoke first, called on the Americans to end their embargo against his country.

    Venezuela's envoy, Germán Mundarain Hernández, said the US should "close Guantánamo and secret detention centres around the world, punish those people who torture, disappear and execute detainees arbitrarily and provide compensation to victims".

    Iran's delegation urged the US to "halt serious violations of human rights and humanitarian law including covert external operations by the CIA carried out on pretext of combating terrorism".

    Koh said the Obama administration had begun by "turning the page" on Bush-era practices and fully ensured the humane treatment of detainees.

    "Let there be no doubt, the United States does not torture and it will not torture," he declared.

    A state department submission in August, written after extensive public consultation, said the US was "currently at war with al-Qaida and its associated forces" but that it would comply with all applicable domestic and international law in armed conflicts and had ordered foreign detainees be treated humanely.

    The report said the US was a democracy guided by "simple but powerful principles", but admits to discrimination against black people and Hispanics and a "broken" immigration system.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    The death penalty is less barbaric than these 5 individuals crimes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Olson
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    whenever i've been waiting for pearl jam to play and metamorphosis 2 starts up, i've always wondered if it's some sort of fuck you to the death penalty and a way to show eddies ongoing support to the wm3. could be wrong. just my thoughts.


    Many people could be wrong when it comes to the wm3. I used to believe they were innocent just because Eddie said so........I know, pretty stupid. The more I look into it i'm not sure anymore. Either way, they shouldn't be facing the death penalty if it's not 100% proof of guilt.
    people are on death row every day and facing retribution even though there is not 100% certainty of guilt. every other week a death row inmate gets released after 25+ years because they were finally granted a dna test on key evidence and it does not match up. and then they are given a couple of million bucks for their trouble. so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken...

    You're joking right ?
    I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
    "so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."

    That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ? ;)

    Godfather.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I highly doubt he was digging for insults, godfather. it's an issue that most pro-death penalty folks tend to ignore. is it worth putting an innocent man to death? if your answer is yes, that is truly scary to me, not to mention supremely disappointing.
    Godfather. wrote:
    You're joking right ?
    I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
    "so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."

    That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ? ;)

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    still don't get how that justifies state sanctioned murder. the point is NOT that it's less barbaric than what the accused/convicted have done. is it right to kill? the answer is NO.
    lukin2006 wrote:
    The death penalty is less barbaric than these 5 individuals crimes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Olson
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1775513/
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    lukin2006 wrote:
    The death penalty is less barbaric than these 5 individuals crimes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Olson
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1775513/

    those are certainly some fucked up folks.
    But,
    Is it safe to say they are fucked up in the head and there is something menatlly wrong with them? I'd say so.
    They kill and rape because of their fucked up environemnts and because they are unable to distinguish what the hell is going on. whacked out in the head probably?
    What is the excuse of the govt? Are they whacked out in the head to kill and murder people? Are they thinking straight? can they discern right from wrong? Supposedly the smartest and brightest run the country, huh? They eat eggs and waffles for breakfast and kiss their kids goodbye in the morning, but they can kill people with the death penalty. well, an eye for an eye right?

    and still, the govt has murdered an innocent person on death row. Fail.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Paul David wrote:
    I highly doubt he was digging for insults, godfather. It's an issue that most pro-death penalty folks tend to ignore. Is it worth putting an innocent man to death? If your answer is yes, that is truly scary to me, not to mention supremely disappointing.
    Godfather. wrote:
    You're joking right ?
    I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
    "so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."

    That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ? ;)

    Godfather.

    no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,253
    Godfather. wrote:
    You're joking right ?
    I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
    "so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."

    That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ? ;)

    Godfather.
    i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....

    and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...

    nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    criminals created the justice system? huh? so even if one, just one innocent man gets put to death, you still think it's a good thing?

    I just can't grasp that kind of mentality. if that one innocent person was your son/daughter/wife/mother/father/cousin/friend/whoever you'd say "you win some, you lose some"?
    Godfather. wrote:
    no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
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    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....

    and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...

    nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars.
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  • wolfamongwolves
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    Godfather. wrote:
    no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.

    Godfather.

    Explain to me why it's necessary. It seems that more and more countries are realising that not only is it not necessary, it it not justifiable. In fact, the United States is the only developed western nation that has yet to realise that it's not necessary.

    I've read about very many capital cases over the years - including many where the guilt was undeniable - and I have yet to come across a single one where I would say it is "necessary" that that person is killed by the state. Nor have I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution.

    No, rather than being necessary, the death penalty is arbitrary, capricious, prejudicial, exorbitantly expensive, and fundamentally unjust. It demeans any society when, rather than taking a civilised and sober approach in its treatment of prisoners, it stoops to retributive vengeance crudely disguised as justice. It is no such thing.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.

    Godfather.

    Explain to me why it's necessary. It seems that more and more countries are realising that not only is it not necessary, it it not justifiable. In fact, the United States is the only developed western nation that has yet to realise that it's not necessary.

    I've read about very many capital cases over the years - including many where the guilt was undeniable - and I have yet to come across a single one where I would say it is "necessary" that that person is killed by the state. Nor have I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution.

    No, rather than being necessary, the death penalty is arbitrary, capricious, prejudicial, exorbitantly expensive, and fundamentally unjust. It demeans any society when, rather than taking a civilised and sober approach in its treatment of prisoners, it stoops to retributive vengeance crudely disguised as justice. It is no such thing.

    "I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."

    jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.

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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Godfather. wrote:
    "I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."

    jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.

    Godfather.

    I assume you're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.

    Unless you can back that up, unless you objectively explain and illustrate how his murder was a social good (and keep in mind here, we're talking about state-sanctioned capital punishment here, not murder in prison, so his case actually isn't relevant to this discussion), then this is just your opinion. Either way, the question still stands - why is the death penalty necessary?
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    "I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."

    jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.

    Godfather.

    I assume you're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.

    Unless you can back that up, unless you objectively explain and illustrate how his murder was a social good (and keep in mind here, we're talking about state-sanctioned capital punishment here, not murder in prison, so his case actually isn't relevant to this discussion), then this is just your opinion. Either way, the question still stands - why is the death penalty necessary?

    some people kill with out remorse for no reason other than to enjoy the kill, they stalk their victims and wait for the opportunity to kill them and this happens to people from all ages and walks of life...they are killed just cause the killer has a need to feel the power of taking a life and putting these killers in prison endangers the life of other prisoners is that o.k ? also life in prison means 25 years in most prisons and then these killers are up for parole and to possibly be put back into their hunting grounds in the public to kill again.

    also "Jeffery Dahmer" killed and ate his victims (young boys) also had body parts in the refrigerator and in bags around his apartment..it wasn't ever a killing of self defense for that nut case so yes his death was good thing.

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/dahmer_2.htm

    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/serial-killers-list.html

    Think about it.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,253
    Godfather. wrote:
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    "I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."

    jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.

    Godfather.

    I assume you're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.

    Unless you can back that up, unless you objectively explain and illustrate how his murder was a social good (and keep in mind here, we're talking about state-sanctioned capital punishment here, not murder in prison, so his case actually isn't relevant to this discussion), then this is just your opinion. Either way, the question still stands - why is the death penalty necessary?

    some people kill with out remorse for no reason other than to enjoy the kill, they stalk their victims and wait for the opportunity to kill them and this happens to people from all ages and walks of life...they are killed just cause the killer has a need to feel the power of taking a life and putting these killers in prison endangers the life of other prisoners is that o.k ? also life in prison means 25 years in most prisons and then these killers are up for parole and to possibly be put back into their hunting grounds in the public to kill again.

    also "Jeffery Dahmer" killed and ate his victims (young boys) also had body parts in the refrigerator and in bags around his apartment..it wasn't ever a killing of self defense for that nut case so yes his death was good thing.

    Godfather.
    dude you are waaaay off base here. ever hear of "life with no possibility of parole"??? that sentence is meted out more and more often now instead of the death penalty. you are overdramatizing here by saying people like dahmer ever had a chance in hell of getting out of there. manson got life, comes up dor parole every few years and promptly gets denied because he is mentally ill. the same thing would happen in most cases of coldblooded murderers. i think that you are thinking of minor offenders like minor drug offenses getting out early, but i doubt that any cold blooded multiple murderers would ever get out on parole......and if that is the case then there is no need for the death penalty...
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Truth I looked this up real quick for you to look at, honestly I do respect your opinion on this I just find hard to agree in some cases.

    Godfather.

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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    dude you are waaaay off base here. ever hear of "life with no possibility of parole"??? that sentence is meted out more and more often now instead of the death penalty. you are overdramatizing here by saying people like dahmer ever had a chance in hell of getting out of there. manson got life, comes up dor parole every few years and promptly gets denied because he is mentally ill. the same thing would happen in most cases of coldblooded murderers. i think that you are thinking of minor offenders like minor drug offenses getting out early, but i doubt that any cold blooded multiple murderers would ever get out on parole......and if that is the case then there is no need for the death penalty...

    cold blooded killers are not the only folks
    that can be put to death.

    serial rapists and child molesters... done
    they never murdered anyone... they have however crossed a major line

    fire up the needle, the bullet, the chair
    whatever...

    nothing wrong with offing the worst fuckers
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