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  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    And the last rescuer is up safely. Mision cumplida Chile. Nice job. And what a relief. I've been pretty much glued to live footage as much as I could the last 24 hours.
    R.i.p. Rigoberto Alpizar.
    R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
    R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    you may be the only person to be blaming the miners for the situation they were in.





    how about the company that employed them? they are responsible yeah? poor safety standards, etc.



    the president was talking about making deals with unions in all industries, because of this, agriculture, manufacturing, on down the line.....to increase safety in all industries. something positive will come from this
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ok so I tend not to pay attention to these types of stories, mostly because I don't care about them, but here comes my cold viewpoint about it. Yes it's great they were rescued, but why must people call it a disaster or something surprising? Mining miles under ground does lead to these types of problems, and the workers, companies and families all know the risks prior to going in. Seems like people love to make excuses after the fact when something goes bad but hold no real sense of self-determination and culpability before or during. It goes with the territory and albeit unfortunate, there's a very simple answer to these types of problems.. if you don't want the potential issues and results, don't participate in the activity - even if it's a job. I'm sure many will say it's for their family or survival, etc.. but the reality is that it is a choice these people are making and they choose it.. not forced into it.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ok so I tend not to pay attention to these types of stories, mostly because I don't care about them, but here comes my cold viewpoint about it. Yes it's great they were rescued, but why must people call it a disaster or something surprising? Mining miles under ground does lead to these types of problems, and the workers, companies and families all know the risks prior to going in. Seems like people love to make excuses after the fact when something goes bad but hold no real sense of self-determination and culpability before or during. It goes with the territory and albeit unfortunate, there's a very simple answer to these types of problems.. if you don't want the potential issues and results, don't participate in the activity - even if it's a job. I'm sure many will say it's for their family or survival, etc.. but the reality is that it is a choice these people are making and they choose it.. not forced into it.
    Jeezy Chrizzy, some people can't put things aside and just feel happiness apparently!
    This is an awesome story!

    It's not like we all don't support the industry, you can't help the people just trying to make a living.
    Unless you have a thing against pennies and electricity...
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    FiveB247x wrote:
    ...but why must people call it a disaster or something surprising? ..

    Because as the mine collapsed it was a disaster. There was not much hope of finding anyone alive. Then the surprising bit? When ALL of the miners were safe and well and then follows the awesomeness of their resilience and subsequent rescue.

    We all know dangers of mining and whatever techonology available, it will never be 100% safe. But someone has to do the job. That's what the people have in that area, that's what they do. Most of them won't have that much choice.

    I think a lot of good has already come out of this affair (cooperation, community spirit) and I'm sure a lot more will (from a mining and industrial safety point of view).
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ok so I tend not to pay attention to these types of stories, mostly because I don't care about them, but here comes my cold viewpoint about it. Yes it's great they were rescued, but why must people call it a disaster or something surprising? Mining miles under ground does lead to these types of problems, and the workers, companies and families all know the risks prior to going in. Seems like people love to make excuses after the fact when something goes bad but hold no real sense of self-determination and culpability before or during. It goes with the territory and albeit unfortunate, there's a very simple answer to these types of problems.. if you don't want the potential issues and results, don't participate in the activity - even if it's a job. I'm sure many will say it's for their family or survival, etc.. but the reality is that it is a choice these people are making and they choose it.. not forced into it.

    the death of anyone is a disaster for their families and loved ones
    the death of 33 would be as well
    so the rescue of all is fantastic story. a victory over the elements.
    with your view piont its not a disaster or eveen sad as they knew what they were getting into. Yep loooks like lots of choice of work in those regions , lots of choice of work NOT
    with your viepiont people who die in car accidents are not tragic, they knew the risks
    etc etc etc
    hey dont touch your computer to respond, its electrical and you know what could possably go wrong
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Let's not pretend this occurrence was a surprise as it wasn''t anything more than common practice in the industry which had a happy ending. I for one an happy as the next person for their outcome, but let's not forsake that with the reality of the situation. The people will be back in the mines next week risking their lives for the same reasons as the reasons that led them down their this week. As per many of your view point of the "human side" of the story... I wish no one ill will but anything they bring upon themselves. So if miners of their own free will, why call it anything more than what it is?? Seems like many of you want to praise them for their own risk before hand, yet ignore their haphazard after the fact. Reap what you sow in life. Don't play in traffic and then complain when cars are coming your way...right?

    Also, I choose not to get wrapped up in the pretend caring of media stories. It's simply a fabrication of reality in order to bring forth a specific false and fake emotion and reaction. This is a simple case of that. How many of you were so concerned from the Chilean earthquake, compared to this self-inflicted problem? Don't chop at me for be callous when most of you are nitpicking problems to defend.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    amazing story!!i just read the news here ,that a guy from Greece via our embassy in Chile invite all 33 miners to Greece with their families for free vacation..good one..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Let's not pretend this occurrence was a surprise as it wasn''t anything more than common practice in the industry which had a happy ending. I for one an happy as the next person for their outcome, but let's not forsake that with the reality of the situation. The people will be back in the mines next week risking their lives for the same reasons as the reasons that led them down their this week. As per many of your view point of the "human side" of the story... I wish no one ill will but anything they bring upon themselves. So if miners of their own free will, why call it anything more than what it is?? Seems like many of you want to praise them for their own risk before hand, yet ignore their haphazard after the fact. Reap what you sow in life. Don't play in traffic and then complain when cars are coming your way...right?

    Also, I choose not to get wrapped up in the pretend caring of media stories. It's simply a fabrication of reality in order to bring forth a specific false and fake emotion and reaction. This is a simple case of that. How many of you were so concerned from the Chilean earthquake, compared to this self-inflicted problem? Don't chop at me for be callous when most of you are nitpicking problems to defend.
    There has been a big campaign where I live to drive safer in construction areas, because many flaggers and construction workers near the road have been injured or killed.

    But it's not tragic they die, since they chose the job anyways.

    Same with plane crashes, car crashes, ships sinking, people who get mugged in dark areas, pedestrians hit by cars, etc etc etc.
    Unless you are forced to do everything by gunpoint, you pretty much walk into disastrous situations all day!
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    FiveB247x wrote:
    So if miners of their own free will, why call it anything more than what it is?? Seems like many of you want to praise them for their own risk before hand, yet ignore their haphazard after the fact. Reap what you sow in life. Don't play in traffic and then complain when cars are coming your way...right?

    I really don't get you. Are you trying to say it's their own fault that they were in this situation? That they could have avoided it by not going to work? That, because they live in an area where there is not much work besides mining (which is a job that someone needs to do), they should let their families starve? So their free will would be choosing between mining and food or no mining and no food. A lot of people work in risky jobs - should these jobs not be done?

    On the other hand, a cave diver has been trapped in a cave in France after a collapse of some kind for a week or so. Rescue divers are trying to locate him and get him out. This COULD have been avoided as this diver definitely knew the risks of what he was doing for RECREATION. Big difference.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The people will be back in the mines next week risking their lives for the same reasons as the reasons that led them down their this week..

    You mean trying to provide for their families and secure the education and future of their children so, maybe, they won't have to go down to the mines, potentially risking their lives, when they are of working age?
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Let's not pretend this occurrence was a surprise as it wasn''t anything more than common practice in the industry which had a happy ending. I for one an happy as the next person for their outcome, but let's not forsake that with the reality of the situation. The people will be back in the mines next week risking their lives for the same reasons as the reasons that led them down their this week. As per many of your view point of the "human side" of the story... I wish no one ill will but anything they bring upon themselves. So if miners of their own free will, why call it anything more than what it is?? Seems like many of you want to praise them for their own risk before hand, yet ignore their haphazard after the fact. Reap what you sow in life. Don't play in traffic and then complain when cars are coming your way...right?

    Also, I choose not to get wrapped up in the pretend caring of media stories. It's simply a fabrication of reality in order to bring forth a specific false and fake emotion and reaction. This is a simple case of that. How many of you were so concerned from the Chilean earthquake, compared to this self-inflicted problem? Don't chop at me for be callous when most of you are nitpicking problems to defend.

    well I work in the mining inddustry, my company was involved in the machinary used to get them out, not my sector Im softrock not hard rock like these guys were in. these people were trapped. and through clever engineering they were rescued. its a bloody great thing that these people survived. great for other in the future whos rescuers will reference this rescue, will use techniques and technologies developed over the last few weeks/months.
    You in your area may have great variety in choice, some are not so lucky, Dont base others life on your own.
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I'm simply saying this is a calculated risk they took by taking such a job and the media over emphasizes such results to emulate said results. Nothing more, nothing less. We see it sensationalized in our media for the positive, but no real lesson, experience or details are learned as a result. Instead in emphasizes a false sense of security in the industry and world for dangerous jobs without ever examining the necessity of why such mines exist, or the meaning of their success (if you could call it that). The Chilean Earthquake was catastrophic, yet no one can even remember such a thing, and this minuscule, self-inflicted event occurred effected 30 something people, and it's "news". It's a joke and quickly frankly insulting to the realities of the problems of this nation and nothing more than a media circus for our benefit. People in our half of the world seem to forget that fact..
    redrock wrote:
    I really don't get you. Are you trying to say it's their own fault that they were in this situation? That they could have avoided it by not going to work? That, because they live in an area where there is not much work besides mining (which is a job that someone needs to do), they should let their families starve? So their free will would be choosing between mining and food or no mining and no food. A lot of people work in risky jobs - should these jobs not be done?

    On the other hand, a cave diver has been trapped in a cave in France after a collapse of some kind for a week or so. Rescue divers are trying to locate him and get him out. This COULD have been avoided as this diver definitely knew the risks of what he was doing for RECREATION. Big difference.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    No one is forced to do a job, stop making excuses for people. The people know/knew the risks and accepted them. And when they go back to such a job next week, who will you blame the next problem on??
    redrock wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The people will be back in the mines next week risking their lives for the same reasons as the reasons that led them down their this week..

    You mean trying to provide for their families and secure the education and future of their children so, maybe, they won't have to go down to the mines, potentially risking their lives, when they are of working age?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    FiveB247x wrote:
    No one is forced to do a job, stop making excuses for people. The people know/knew the risks and accepted them. And when they go back to such a job next week, who will you blame the next problem on??


    somebody has to do this job. its like the american dream that i slept through, you can be whatever you want blah blah, reality is much different. somebody has to pick up the trash. people aren't forced into that type of work but often it is the only option.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    FiveB247x wrote:
    No one is forced to do a job, stop making excuses for people. The people know/knew the risks and accepted them. And when they go back to such a job next week, who will you blame the next problem on???
    [/quote]

    Making excuses? Is providing for your family an excuse? Or a duty to do whatever you need to do for this? Of course no one is forced to do a job. Do you need to eat, have a roof over your head, support a family? You need income for that. Maybe you have a family fortune you can live off but most probably you have a job (or you are living off benefits). Is it the job you always dreamed of? Miners, factory workers, oil rig workers, trash collectors, street sweepers... all jobs that need doing. You may be lucky enough to live in a country where you have options. Others aren't so lucky. It's not making excuses, it's accepting the fact that some may have better opportunities that others, depending on where they were born.

    You attitude is beyond me.
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I'm simply saying this is a calculated risk they took by taking such a job and the media over emphasizes such results to emulate said results. Nothing more, nothing less. We see it sensationalized in our media for the positive, but no real lesson, experience or details are learned as a result. Instead in emphasizes a false sense of security in the industry and world for dangerous jobs without ever examining the necessity of why such mines exist, or the meaning of their success (if you could call it that). The Chilean Earthquake was catastrophic, yet no one can even remember such a thing, and this minuscule, self-inflicted event occurred effected 30 something people, and it's "news". It's a joke and quickly frankly insulting to the realities of the problems of this nation and nothing more than a media circus for our benefit. People in our half of the world seem to forget that fact..


    Any work is a calculated risk. I work in heavy industry, around machines that can crush me in an instant. or I can crush others with. We have high safety standards. but the risk is real so we mitigate the risk. we educate the workforce and completly reduce the danger.
    mines are the same. offices are the same . their are risks in all workplaces.
    you insult all workers by your comments saying nothings learnt
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The people will be back in the mines next week risking their lives for the same reasons as the reasons that led them down their this week.

    Really? How do you know? Their eyes probably won't even be recovered by next week.
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Also, I choose not to get wrapped up in the pretend caring of media stories. It's simply a fabrication of reality in order to bring forth a specific false and fake emotion and reaction.

    Maybe you watched something different than I did. I watched a raw live feed with no media commentary most of the time. Whatever I feel about this came from my viewing that, not what some media personality told me to feel.

    This could have all ended so differently. Their president stayed on the scene the entire time - didn't look like he slept, and he sounded sincere in making changes.

    And last but not least, this rescue effort was a great feat of engineering. A lot of expertise, discipline and hard work goes into pulling something like this off without error.
    R.i.p. Rigoberto Alpizar.
    R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
    R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Since watching about these minors, my husband and I haven't been able to figure out:
    1.What kind of mine it is and
    2. How they got trapped.

    The news hasn't really mentioned this (probably because they were trapped for so long), but it's missing from the story, we feel. Anyone know?
  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,389
    I don't think this incident sensationalized the mining industry in any light than what it is.

    However, it gave the world at large hope in a situation that seemed hopeless. Who wouldn't grab on to that? It is truly one of the most incredible, amazing, who-would-have-thought it could happen situations. It is the rescue that people are clinging to, not the mining industry. The resuce is successful, that is reason enough for cheer and celebration across the world. When the whole world is watching for a miracle/rescue . . . it doesn't discount why the resuce is needed, but we are all rooting for the people to live through it. Go, Chilean Miners, Go!!!!!

    Just within the past couple years miners within the US have died after being stuck underground. When we first hear of the story, and don't know the outcome, we are rooting for those miners to get out. So often, the tragedy has been complete.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Since watching about these minors, my husband and I haven't been able to figure out:
    1.What kind of mine it is and
    2. How they got trapped.

    The news hasn't really mentioned this (probably because they were trapped for so long), but it's missing from the story, we feel. Anyone know?

    It was explained back in August when it happened. It's a copper mine (lots of them in Chili) and the roof of a ramp collapsed some 100 meters or so above the place where the miners were working.

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